Could a Five Team ODI Series work??

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the powers that be have tried reinvigorating the ODI series in Australia with limited success. about 4 years ago the traditional tri series was ditched in favour of 2 5-ODI series. These had mixed success and now were back to the old tri series format. The crowdd at the first australian game at the g wasn't great (30k) whilst tonight's was all right considering a neutral game.

but if it doesn't fail to light up, could a 5 team series get things going. at the moment you've currently got NZ playing zimbabwe, but that series could be arranged for another time and South Africa sitting idle, having just played Sri Lanka.

the series would be played out across NZ, Aus and SA with two invitational teams. Each team plays each twice. NZ, Aus, SA at home to the invitationals, and one home one away v each other. two invitational teams play their 2 neutral games, one in Aus and one in NZ.

Using this season as an example, could this work;

Tues 31 Jan; South Africa v Sri Lanka
Thur 2 Feb; South Africa v India
Sat 4 Feb; Australia v New Zealand (venue: Aus)
Sat 4 Feb; South Africa v Sri Lanka
Sun 5 Feb; South Africa v India
Wed 8 Feb; Australia v Sri Lanka
Fri 10 Feb; Australia v India
Sun 12 Feb; New Zealand v Australia (v: NZ)
Tue 14 Feb; New Zealand v Sri Lanka
Thu 16 Feb; New Zealand v India
Sat 18 Feb; Australia v South Africa (v: Aus)
Sat 18 Feb; New Zealand v Sri Lanka
Mon 20 Feb; New Zealand v India
Wed 22 Feb; New Zealand v South Africa (v: NZ)
Wed 22 Feb; Sri Lanka v India (v: NZ)
Fri 24 Feb; Australia v Sri Lanka
Sat 25 Feb; Australia v India
Mon 27 Feb; India v Sri Lanka (v: Aus)
Wed 29 Feb; South Africa v New Zealand (v: SA)
Fri 2 Mar; South Africa v New Zealand (v: SA)

Top 2 in a 3 match final (on 7th, 9th and 11th March). If only one of SA, NZ or Aus make it play all the finals there. If two of them make it, play the first 2 finals in first position's home, and 3rd final at the 2nd team home country. if neither make it, probably just play it in Aus as both touring teams end there...

been talking about context of the games and meaningless games, but i reckon a competition like this, especially if it was built up, might actually have a beat of meaning and bolster the 50-over game. a bit of a mini world cup. the current series, just feels like 3 teams playing endlessly to see which 2 teams make the final...

the travel is a bit of an issue, but that was a draft draw i knocked up in about 10-15 minutes so it could possibly be better, but there is nothing too untoward in there. Each of the home teams have a couple of breaks that aren't ideal - NZ 8 and 7 day, SA 13 and 7 day, Aus 3 x 6 day breaks... but in general the three host teams have pretty simliar draws with travel and breaks, and the two visiting teams have almost identical draws.
 

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I don't think the crowd at the MCG was that bad considering there was rain on the forecast which probably stopped a good 10K from turning up. The five team tournament could work but not sure it would necessarily attract more people. Might be logistically difficult with teams needing to tour elsewhere as well.

Perhaps if ODI cricket continues to fall in popularity they could create a format with two innings of 20 or 25 overs per team...you could call it a super-test :p
 

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Perhaps if ODI cricket continues to fall in popularity they could create a format with two innings of 20 or 25 overs per team...you could call it a super-test :p
Tried at domestic level and got thrown out, i didn't mind it but it didnt feel like Cricket either...
 
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Multi-nation ODI series are dead. Once every 3-4 years when India come here we'll have a tri-nations series, otherwise back to best-of-5 matches between Australia and the visiting team.

Why would 3 or 4 teams come to Australia for an ODI series? The days of tri-nation series, anywhere, is almost dead.
 

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Multi-nation ODI series are dead. Once every 3-4 years when India come here we'll have a tri-nations series, otherwise back to best-of-5 matches between Australia and the visiting team.

Why would 3 or 4 teams come to Australia for an ODI series? The days of tri-nation series, anywhere, is almost dead.
possibly dead i don't know. the 2 team series are becoming increasingly stale though.

Nah I don't like it- way too many neutral games. The trend in the future will be toward T20 anyway
?? there was only 2 neutral games. the other games are held in south africa or new zealand.
 
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ODIs were supposedly on death row a couple of years back but then came back to life in the world cup.

People dont want more varitey of cricket, they want good cricket. They want contests, they dont want lop sided shit that gets served up a lot in international cricket.

If the cricket is of the highest quality then the people will come watch, 2005 ashes, the recent south african test series, the t20 international world cuo final, hell even the shield game today between the bulls and the warriors. Good even contests against well matched sides.

Cricket is one of those quirky sports where international level is played very often and thus results in a lot of meaningless matches, does the border gavaskar or the frank worrel trophy really mean that much???

Maybe it does, maybe it doesnt, the authorities are moving the right way in getting a test championship going, the same needs to go for the shorter games, qualifying matches for the world cup, **** these mickey mouse series thatvmean very little.

If i was a power to be at the ICC, i would re-invent the cricket calendar with one home series and one tour series each year. Get the international players back in the domestic scene, make seeing australia or india or south africa a rarer occassion and increase interest.

Got way off topic there but that feels better
 

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Maybe it does, maybe it doesnt, the authorities are moving the right way in getting a test championship going, the same needs to go for the shorter games, qualifying matches for the world cup, **** these mickey mouse series thatvmean very little.

If i was a power to be at the ICC, i would re-invent the cricket calendar with one home series and one tour series each year. Get the international players back in the domestic scene, make seeing australia or india or south africa a rarer occassion and increase interest.
agreed. test's are about right, but one dayers are becoming very stale and meaningless. i wouldn't let to play any more than about a 12-15 one dayers a year.

but they rake in a lot of money, particularly matches involving india, so... what can you do.

1995 was the last time we played less than 15 (13), and only twice since then have we played less than 20.
 

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5 match series' are incredibly dull if the opposition is pathetic ala England last year....Tri series IMO are always interesting, though no doubt costs way more to run.
 

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5 match series' are incredibly dull if the opposition is pathetic ala England last year....Tri series IMO are always interesting, though no doubt costs way more to run.
tri series are honestly mickey mouse.

gotta make the top 2 of a 3 team competition to play finals.

06/07 and 07/08 aussies finished on top and lost and were easily the best team. there's been a few other occasions the team finishing second have stolen it.

crowds are poor around the world for neutral games and thats the reason why tri series etc were basically scrapped.

a 5 team series is logistically a nightmare as the OP has put up as a suggestion. besides australia would only host 7 odi's for the summer (which includes a neutral game) and not the customary 10-15.
also why does aust and nz host 7 games and sa only 6 ?

lol @ allocation of the final.

well done on putting thought into it though :thumbsu:


bi-lateral series are the way to go (number of games etc is debatable) other than the world cup.
 

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tri series are honestly mickey mouse.

gotta make the top 2 of a 3 team competition to play finals.

06/07 and 07/08 aussies finished on top and lost and were easily the best team. there's been a few other occasions the team finishing second have stolen it.

crowds are poor around the world for neutral games and thats the reason why tri series etc were basically scrapped.
well I disagree. bi lateral series are not exciting as there is little to play for. Tri series' have less dead rubbers, more matches, bonus points, NRR ect which makes it way more interesting IMO.
 

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5 match series' are incredibly dull if the opposition is pathetic ala England last year....Tri series IMO are always interesting, though no doubt costs way more to run.
sure... unless there are big tv rights up for grabs for the neutral games in the home country.

Im sure that had no bearing on CA decision to run one this time ;)
 

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The ICC doesn't allow tournaments with more than 3 national teams as it believes they would take away from the champions trophy and works cup.
 

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The ICC doesn't allow tournaments with more than 3 national teams as it believes they would take away from the champions trophy and works cup.
Easy fix, just make sure India is one of the 5 teams and it the BCCI will take care of such problems.
 
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