Could NAS be the best indigenous player ever?

[PenfoldsFan]

He's in that very rare category of player who is regarded as having changed the game for two reasons. He was the first "leaping ruckman". He also used handball as form of attack, rather than simply to get out of trouble. Sometimes you'd see both at once - leaping at a boundary throw in and handballing in one motion. Plus, he could run. Very few ruckmen ran and bounced like he did.

Fair enough, but wouldn't that make him more of an innovator, or ahead of his time, than 'best ever'.

He was obviously professional in his approach at a time when that was the exception, which makes players of that caliber stand out, but they'd just be slightly above average compared to todays player.
When youre talking best ever, they've got to be able to stack up in every era surely.

 

[joe444]

Fair enough, but ....

... then we get into the debate about "champions of different eras", and we all know how that one goes.

I'd suspect he'd dominate today and easily be the best ruckman out there. Name another ruck who can run the wing with four bounces, kick a left foot dart onto a leading player and then run past for the handball, handballing in turn 40metres to a player on the run who doesn't have to break stride. And at the next throw in, leap from behind the other ruckman and hook the ball over his shoulder.

He's regarded as among the game's greats in general, not just indigenous. I can't add any more than that because I suspect you'll remain unconvinced in a "notsureifsemitrolling" kind of way.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

... then we get into the debate about "champions of different eras", and we all know how that one goes.

I'd suspect he'd dominate today and easily be the best ruckman out there. Name another ruck who can run the wing with four bounces, kick a left foot dart onto a leading player and then run past for the handball, handballing in turn 40metres to a player on the run who doesn't have to break stride. And at the next throw in, leap from behind the other ruckman and hook the ball over his shoulder.

He's regarded as among the game's greats in general, not just indigenous. I can't add any more than that because I suspect you'll remain unconvinced in a "notsureifsemitrolling" kind of way.

Didnt Goodes do that weekly though?
Against the modern professional athlete.

How would he stack up against Gawn today?

 

[Del233519]

Nas is a good, solid player. He’d get a game at every other club. His problem is THAT Melbourne game, the second half in particular, it was wild. Problem is it’s created a rod for his back, it’s what any other of his performances is compared to. ( in what was a dead rubber)
Best ever ??!! You are having a giraffe.

Why does everyone keep bringing up that Melbourne-St Kilda game from last year? We were pathetic last season and Goodwin was a horrible coach with no gameplan and no clue how to stop opponents.

IF Stephen King was coaching that game we would have won by 50+.

Apparently that 1 meaningless game was St. Kildas premiership.

 

[Trav 20]

... then we get into the debate about "champions of different eras", and we all know how that one goes.

I'd suspect he'd dominate today and easily be the best ruckman out there. Name another ruck who can run the wing with four bounces, kick a left foot dart onto a leading player and then run past for the handball, handballing in turn 40metres to a player on the run who doesn't have to break stride. And at the next throw in, leap from behind the other ruckman and hook the ball over his shoulder.

He's regarded as among the game's greats in general, not just indigenous. I can't add any more than that because I suspect you'll remain unconvinced in a "notsureifsemitrolling" kind of way.

He was 191cm. He was 1cm taller than Harvey Langford.

Great player in his day but wouldn't be a VFL level ruckman today.

 

[windyhill]

Why does everyone keep bringing up that Melbourne-St Kilda game from last year? We were pathetic last season and Goodwin was a horrible coach with no gameplan and no clue how to stop opponents.

IF Stephen King was coaching that game we would have won by 50+.

Apparently that 1 meaningless game was St. Kildas premiership.

Exactly my point ! He keeps being compared to that second half which was a dead rubber of all dead rubbers.You are backing my point up.

 

[demondavey]

Why does everyone keep bringing up that Melbourne-St Kilda game from last year? We were pathetic last season and Goodwin was a horrible coach with no gameplan and no clue how to stop opponents.

IF Stephen King was coaching that game we would have won by 50+.

Apparently that 1 meaningless game was St. Kildas premiership.

You’re talking about St Kilda. The club that made a highlights reel from some home and away wins.

 

[yulong]

 

[HairyO]

Fair enough, but wouldn't that make him more of an innovator, or ahead of his time, than 'best ever'.

He was obviously professional in his approach at a time when that was the exception, which makes players of that caliber stand out, but they'd just be slightly above average compared to todays player.
When youre talking best ever, they've got to be able to stack up in every era surely.

Polly is a Legend and anyone who knows football picks him as ruck when picking the greatest team ever.

He changed the game.

 

[TruRoo]

Nas is nowhere near the Andrew McLeod

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level. Let alone the Goodes, Polly level.

He’s closer to what Andrew Lovett was as a player (not included the associated bullshit that came with that shit human).

 

[WhyAmIHere]

For St Kilda its a yes, he can. Winmar is the only one ahead of him.

And Robbie Muir. How long have you been watching the saints for?

 

[Proper Gander]

Do we need a thread and subsequent pressure on every player?

You’ve just spoiled my idea for “Could Corey Wagner be the GOAT” thread

 

[Giant YoYo]

You’ve just spoiled my idea for “Could Corey Wagner be the GOAT” thread

I'm the worst.

 

[Farang83150]

... then we get into the debate about "champions of different eras", and we all know how that one goes.

I'd suspect he'd dominate today and easily be the best ruckman out there. Name another ruck who can run the wing with four bounces, kick a left foot dart onto a leading player and then run past for the handball, handballing in turn 40metres to a player on the run who doesn't have to break stride. And at the next throw in, leap from behind the other ruckman and hook the ball over his shoulder.

He's regarded as among the game's greats in general, not just indigenous. I can't add any more than that because I suspect you'll remain unconvinced in a "notsureifsemitrolling" kind of way.

In his day no one could get near this fella, would've done Farmer for pace and agility easily...

 

[Mogumber]

Stephen Michael, and then daylight!

 

[AFLOnline]

Nas is nowhere near the Andrew McLeod level. Let alone the Goodes, Polly level.

He’s closer to what Andrew Lovett was as a player (not included the associated bullshit that came with that shit human).

Lol

 

[TruRoo]

Lol

Ah yes the measure of the truly elite - being good in a 100 point win over the team coming off back to back spoons

 

[Wolfgang West]

Polly Farmer anyone?
Arguably ahead of Goodes

Glad you said arguably here. One was a ruckman. The other a Dual Brownlow Medallist who could play in every position on the ground.

 

[Tasmanian saint]

Yeah insulting to;

Lance Franklin (2nd best CHF all time)
Winston Abraham (pound for pound the best kick of a football ever)
Byron Pickett (champion, hard, fast and skilled)
Jimmy Krak (absolute gun)
Barry Cable (probably the best smaller First Nations player in history)

Franklin was a great player but he was not the second best chf ever, he played more like a big small forward

 

[AFLOnline]

Ah yes the measure of the truly elite - being good in a 100 point win over the team coming off back to back spoons

Lol

 

[Freak Dodgeball Accident]

Relton Roberts, then probably Adam Goodes a distant second. Nas has got a long way to go

 

[Upgrayedd]

Nas is nowhere near the Andrew McLeod level. Let alone the Goodes, Polly level.

He’s closer to what Andrew Lovett was as a player (not included the associated bullshit that came with that shit human).

NAS could of quit football halfway through last season and he would of had a far better career of what Lovett was

 

[Chip Scab1]

Franklin was a great player but he was not the second best chf ever, he played more like a big small forward

Carey
Franklin
Royce Hart

Yeah, you're wrong. He is the 2nd best ever, who do think replaces him?

 

[Tasmanian saint]

Carey
Franklin
Royce Hart

Yeah, you're wrong. He is the 2nd best ever, who do think replaces him?

Like I said great player/forward but didn’t play like a traditional chf was not really a contested marking forward I would take Pavlich and Riewoldt before him

 

[Upgrayedd]

Like I said great player/forward but didn’t play like a traditional chf was not really a contested marking forward I would take Pavlich and Riewoldt before him

Lance Franklin averaged more contested marks then Pavlich over his career but yeah alright.

That logic. I take Roughead over both of them because he kicked more goals then both of them