Opinion Could we learn from Richmond?

[Saintly Viewed]

Hardwick has been coach at Richmond for over seven years. He has a losing record and has never won a final. Despite this the Richmond FC has stuck by him, and now, with a focus on enjoying their footy, Richmond have made a perfect start to the season. Are there lessons here for our club?
Should we stick with Buckley?
Should we concentrate more on fast ball movement?
Should we encourage our players to just enjoy their footy?

Is it just a fluke that Richmond are winning?

Richmond classic example of medium list, some real quality but long on medium level quality.

We not dissimilar.

Our only real hope of advancing us our youngster players developing to higher levels.

Are we not immediately better if Moore, De Goey, Maynard, go up a few cogs (as expected in time).
Grundy already at A level stays there and dominates ongoing.
Adams churns out the residual toughness he does.

Then maybe just maybe the emergence of Scharenberg?

Does Aish move up cogs? Broomhead? Crocker?

Then there is the potential of Daicos, Kirby then Brown and then McLarty?

A lot needs to happen, but that's the future laid bare with ofcourse Treloar absolute key.

Is is the coach? I'm less inclined than most to get swept in the coaching is everything view.
Win, you're a good coach, lose you're a poor coach - that's just the nature of it.
But I'm quite vocal on coaches are too highly rated, but whoever coaches us, I support them.
I'm not for mid season stabbings, does nothing, only hurts the Club.

So our future is clearly in the potential not what we see most weeks.

For us to advance to the highest positions on the ladder the bulk of White, Blair, Goldsack, Greenwood, Mayne, Thomas, Keeffe, Smith, will be replaced by better end talent.

Our first priority is De Goey and Moore going to the levels we need.

Oh and kick better, amazing kicking between the two big sticks what could be?

 

[PieLebo87]

There is nothing more certain than Richmond falling into a hole, scraping into the bottom of the 8, and getting rolled in the Elimination Final.

Why should we be learning from a basket case of 37 years?

For me, this would be just as good as us making finals.

 

[Finnishpie]

Why stop there. Give him a 3 year extension.

Lol.

I think a year would be enough.....

 

[sideswipe]

Hardwick has been coach at Richmond for over seven years. He has a losing record and has never won a final. Despite this the Richmond FC has stuck by him, and now, with a focus on enjoying their footy, Richmond have made a perfect start to the season. Are there lessons here for our club?
Should we stick with Buckley?
Should we concentrate more on fast ball movement?
Should we encourage our players to just enjoy their footy?

Is it just a fluke that Richmond are winning?

Interesting question - It is no secret that Richmond would have axed Hardwick last year but had already signed him to another extension. So instead they experienced board unrest, axed most of the assistants and bought in Balme over the top of Dan Richardson (incidentally Richardson's horse trading in previous years now starting to look very astute). As to what that could teach Collingwood I dunno. Richmond's 5-0 start flatters to deceive in my view.


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[Carringbush2010]

It's a bit early, but a few things stand out.

1. On SEN earlier in the year they had someone on who does studies based on cohesion of teams. He said that in all his time measuring, he had never seen a team play above their cohesion factor. He said that Collingwood's cohesion was well down based on the number of new players in the side, and he actually expected a sharp decline this year. He went on to say that Richmond should expect a spike as their numbers were up.

Maybe there is something in that. We've trade aggressively and most of our players just haven't played with each other that long.


2. Hardwick pre-season made the comment that he instructed his side to just play with freedom and enjoy the game more. I get the impression that the Tigers were perhaps over-coached. They used to chip the ball around and try to play to a structure, but it was just too confusing.

The side seems to be enjoying just playing with freedom and not too many structures. I reckon our side would similarly enjoy it. We have a talented midfield, that I reckon don't need that much coaching. Just let them play. Right now we seem very confused and over-thinking each move.


3. The Tigers equally had forward line woes, with Jack Riewoldt realistically the only key forward. To substitute this, we've seen Dustin Martin go forward, and nippy guys like Rioli and Butler step in as well.

I reckon we could set up similar with Elliott and Fasolo, and maybe guys like Daicos and even Kirby. I think De Goey could be our Dustin Martin type player. De Goey is good around goals, has strength and is a nice size. I reckon De Goey has been a big loss this year. He finished last year so well and was hitting the scoreboard regularly.

And there in lies the problem (bolded), you've seen my thread on the Ben Hart SEN interview. If that is true then Nathan will insist of a style of play rather than let them "play" as Dimma seems to be allowing

 

[Iskender Time]

Yeah, worth showing Bucks and the club some loyalty.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

You should get together with Maggie5 and write a joke book.. '101 excuses to keep Buckley'.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

Why would you even create a thread to give Richmond supporters the opportunity to take the mickey out of us.

 

[JB1975]

It's the Richmond fans who can teach us so much. They can teach us all about the power of belief/delusion. They can tell us all a bit of something about the need to maintain a sense of humour under adversity, or at least how to make others laugh.

Let Richmond be thy guide.

 

[Dubaimagpie]

Over the next 5 weeks Richmond will be exposed as frauds.


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[swoop42]

Richmond have had a pretty easy draw until now and were fortunate to win 2 or 3 of those games.

The 5-0 flatters them IMO and they aren't a genuine top 4 side.

Funnily enough I've always likened the ability of Hardwick to Buckley.

While neither are totally bereft of coaching talent they just seem to be at a level unlikely to ever guide a side to a flag.

 

[Dynamics]

Learn from Richmond.

Recruit Casboult.

I know things are rough right now folks, but I'm starting to worry about some of you.

 

[Maggie5]

Richmond are doing well because

• they now have a decent ruck, Nankervis (why Sydney, why?)
• turned over the assistant coaches
• playing Riewoldt in his right position with Martin to assist (starring in his own right)
• Prestia has been a good in
  
• finally, got rid of Vickery (why Hawthorn, why?)

 

[Matt_352]

Richmond havent played much they will flop soon

 

[Jafo]

No fluke - he got rid of Tyrone Vickery.

So that's the Hawks problem? You nailed it!

You saying trade Blair to re-ignite Collingwood?

 

[Ketchup]

The lower we finish the easier our draw.

 

[jmac70]

Could our club be about to use Richmond as a template for re-signing Bucks?

 

[HFF]

The comparison to Richmond isn't the same.
Hardwick was contracted- he wasn't coming out of contract so the decision to potentially have sacked him would have meant a significant payout.
In the end it forced Richmond's hand not to pay him out and remove him.

Nathan is out of contract.
We aren't tied to him and don't have to pay him out.

Why we are contemplating extending Nathan for more years- unconditionally- is mind blowing when we have been presented with the perfect opportunity to end this hell right now- at no cost.
It's a clean break.
A fresh start.

 

[Harambe Pie]

I can only hope that out of his inevitable re-signing, the players can gel and produce a hell of a lot more than this year.

 

[magpies42]

I am in favour of giving bucks a 2 year deal. Next year they play with no pressure, it will be a needs for them.

Just look at how well our starts have been against two top 4 sides the last 2 weeks...and with a depleted side. If we weren't tanking we would have surely won

 

[shizzle]

Richmond has benefitted from an extraordinarily easy draw probably more than any changes to assistant coaches imo. I think they have helped in some way sure, but Hardwick was never seen seen as someone as pig headed, stubborn and unwilling to listen as Nathan Buckley.

Buckley by his own admissions has micro managed every part of the club, not delegated appropriately and not taken on board views from others, this is a guy who only made finals due to inheriting a top tier team, he also never really coached as an assistant sure he worked briefly under Mick, but he was captain under Mick for years, I'm not sure he would have learnt much as an assistant in the same club surrounded by the same people. He's someone who should have most definitely sought counsel from others, but refused to and figured he knew everything, and for those complaining he's only just got his own team, he's had his own team since at least 2015.

Oh but the players will be free and happy with him getting 2 years, they've been in that situation before, what happened then? Nothing, just the same shit that happens now.

He's shown nothing as a coach, he's fostered a stale enviroment, he's shown as much flexibility in the coaches box as he does in every other facet of his life, that's little to none.

He's a failure as coach, a ring leader of mediocrity who only does one thing well and that is consistently dole out cliches which some folks cling to as words of wisdom, as they claim him as the second coming and devote facebook pages to him, make shrines in their cells, I mean homes, spread the good word of Buckley on forums such as this, and create petitions on change.org to keep him.

Pathetic.

 

[Matt_352]

Nathan doesent have it in him to humble himself enough to listen to his lieutenants. So same model would not work.

If his name was anyone else other than Nathan Buckley he would have been sacked years ago. Enough is enough. Time for a fresh mind. A new coach.

 

[THATSGOLD]

Extend Bucks' contract for 3 more years. Missing finals is fun..

 

[THATSGOLD]

I am in favour of giving bucks a 2 year deal. Next year they play with no pressure, it will be a needs for them.

Just look at how well our starts have been against two top 4 sides the last 2 weeks...and with a depleted side. If we weren't tanking we would have surely won

Agree. I think Pendles and Wells will hit their peaks of their career next year. Can see the flag now.

 

[jmac70]

Richmond has benefitted from an extraordinarily easy draw probably more than any changes to assistant coaches imo. I think they have helped in some way sure, but Hardwick was never seen seen as someone as pig headed, stubborn and unwilling to listen as Nathan Buckley.

Buckley by his own admissions has micro managed every part of the club, not delegated appropriately and not taken on board views from others, this is a guy who only made finals due to inheriting a top tier team, he also never really coached as an assistant sure he worked briefly under Mick, but he was captain under Mick for years, I'm not sure he would have learnt much as an assistant in the same club surrounded by the same people. He's someone who should have most definitely sought counsel from others, but refused to and figured he knew everything, and for those complaining he's only just got his own team, he's had his own team since at least 2015.

Oh but the players will be free and happy with him getting 2 years, they've been in that situation before, what happened then? Nothing, just the same shit that happens now.

He's shown nothing as a coach, he's fostered a stale enviroment, he's shown as much flexibility in the coaches box as he does in every other facet of his life, that's little to none.

He's a failure as coach, a ring leader of mediocrity who only does one thing well and that is consistently dole out cliches which some folks cling to as words of wisdom, as they claim him as the second coming and devote facebook pages to him, make shrines in their cells, I mean homes, spread the good word of Buckley on forums such as this, and create petitions on change.org to keep him.

Pathetic.

So nothing to learn from Richmond then?