Could you believe in God if there was no afterlife ?

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Birdy said:
Is this what your buddha teaches you? Such profane and filthy lies?
No, my Prince does not lie, we have teachings that we follow and they are a personal guide to life. Buddha's teachings do not contradict. Your bible does.

Birdy said:
Does buddha teach you to spread hatred and then accuse others of the same by these acts of hypocrisy?
Hatred? No. But am I angry of your propaganda? Yes.

Our Prince has no hypocrisy in his teachings. Your bible does.
Plus, your God is vengeful and jealous and rules by fear. Is that love?
My Prince is not vengeful, but a real man of peace.

Birdy said:
Only a fool or one who has been severely misled could speak such wickedness against followers of Christ. I suggest you recognise this and repent now.
Fool? At least my Prince was a real man. Your God is maybe a supernatural being who is a Father, Son and Holy Ghost or a father and Son. Plus "SOME" of you Christians can't make up your mind if you have to be baptised to believe in your God, or which version of the bible is the truth to your heaven.

At least my Prince and his teachings have remained the same for hundreds of years and have never changed in their text. Yours has not.

As for repenting and being misled, I believe you are the one being misled and I will not repent to a vengeful and jealous god that does not exist in my views.

Have a nice day. :)
 

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No, my Prince does not lie, we have teachings that we follow and they are a personal guide to life. Buddha's teachings do not contradict. Your bible does.
Your teachings may guide you through life but what good will that be when you lose your own soul. There are no contradictions in the Bible, I don't know where you got that idea.

Hatred? No. But am I angry of your propaganda? Yes.

Our Prince has no hypocrisy in his teachings. Your bible does.
Plus, your God is vengeful and jealous and rules by fear. Is that love?
My Prince is not vengeful, but a real man of peace.
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom. Proverbs 9:10.

Why do you blame God for the wickedness caused by man?

Fool? At least my Prince was a real man. Your God is maybe a supernatural being who is a Father, Son and Holy Ghost or a father and Son. Plus "SOME" of you Christians can't make up your mind if you have to be baptised to believe in your God, or which version of the bible is the truth to your heaven.
Exactly just a man, not both human and divine in nature like Jesus.

At least my Prince and his teachings have remained the same for hundreds of years and have never changed in their text. Yours has not.
God has provided us with all the scripture we need so we may come to know Him.

As for repenting and being misled, I believe you are the one being misled and I will not repent to a vengeful and jealous god that does not exist in my views.

Have a nice day. :)
I will be praying for you Goldenblue, that God will save you from trusting this ancient mythology.
 

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Birdy said:
Your teachings may guide you through life but what good will that be when you lose your own soul. There are no contradictions in the Bible, I don't know where you got that idea.


The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom. Proverbs 9:10.

Why do you blame God for the wickedness caused by man?


Exactly just a man, not both human and divine in nature like Jesus.


God has provided us with all the scripture we need so we may come to know Him.


I will be praying for you Goldenblue, that God will save you from trusting this ancient mythology.
Your sick and weak mate if you need to believe in a man made fairy story to be able to live. Please get REAL life and stop preaching your **** to the rest of us because we are not listening.
PS and stop quoting the "bible" as having the magical answers to life because it dont!.
 

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finders said:
Your sick and weak mate if you need to believe in a man made fairy story to be able to live. Please get REAL life and stop preaching your **** to the rest of us because we are not listening.
PS and stop quoting the "bible" as having the magical answers to life because it dont!.
So you wish to attack God's name but complain when people want to defend it? You are weak as you have no faith, and you have double standards.
 

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Your teachings may guide you through life but what good will that be when you lose your own soul. There are no contradictions in the Bible, I don't know where you got that idea.

You do realise that the New Testament pretty much contradicts all of the "Moral" standards established in the Old Testament?
 

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Birdy said:
Your teachings may guide you through life but what good will that be when you lose your own soul. There are no contradictions in the Bible, I don't know where you got that idea.
My soul is my own and belongs to me, not your God.

How many examples of your bible is the real one? They contradict each other.

Birdy said:
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom. Proverbs 9:10.
I see no wisdom in fear.

Birdy said:
Why do you blame God for the wickedness caused by man?
I don't. I blame mankind itself.


Birdy said:
Exactly just a man, not both human and divine in nature like Jesus.
As I explained, my Princes teachings have not changed in 2500 years. He was a real person. Yours is not.


Birdy said:
God has provided us with all the scripture we need so we may come to know Him.
Which version? There have been many changed versions over the centuries. Once again, my Prince's teachings have remained the same.


Birdy said:
I will be praying for you Goldenblue, that God will save you from trusting this ancient mythology.
You do that. But you better do the same for our other 350 million followers.
Have fun trying to save us all. :)
 

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Like what?

Specifically Christ's reaching out to the disadvantaged and the marginalised (Lepers, Homosexuals, People of Different Races), where the old Testament councils the rejection and damnation of the same sorts of people. A pity that most Christians choose to quote the old testament to support their intolerance, while ignoring the admirable messages such as "Love one another as I have loved you" and "Love Thy Neighbour".
 

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Oneself, indeed, is one's saviour, for what other saviour would there be? With oneself well controlled one obtains a saviour difficult to find. - Siddhattha Gotama.
 

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Birdy said:
Like what?
The eating of swine for one.

The old testament rather quite clearly forbids the eating of pork. Yet it is permitted in the new testament.

So tell me Birdy...do you eat pork. Cause if you, then you are blatantly going against the commandment of God, clearly stated in the old testament.

And then there is circumcision. Once again, in the old testament, however, contradicted in the new.
 

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The eating of swine for one.

The old testament rather quite clearly forbids the eating of pork. Yet it is permitted in the new testament.

So tell me Birdy...do you eat pork. Cause if you, then you are blatantly going against the commandment of God, clearly stated in the old testament.

And then there is circumcision. Once again, in the old testament, however, contradicted in the new.
In all fairness Le Stat, you're a raving muslim and they are just as bad and just as stupid as Christians.
 

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Freo Big Fella said:
Specifically Christ's reaching out to the disadvantaged and the marginalised (Lepers, Homosexuals, People of Different Races), where the old Testament councils the rejection and damnation of the same sorts of people. A pity that most Christians choose to quote the old testament to support their intolerance, while ignoring the admirable messages such as "Love one another as I have loved you" and "Love Thy Neighbour".
Where in the OT does it require rejection and damnation of lepers and people of different races? Homosexual behaviour in the OT was condemned because God hates sin, it is detestable to Him. Such sins had harsh penalties because of the treaty God had with Israel, that this disobedience of God's laws would not go unpunished. Christ accepted this punishment for us and so this covenant is now not applicable. God still hates sin, and Jesus spoke of the importance of obeying His commandments. It is a pity that non-believers cannot understand how anyone could love thy neighbour while not loving their sins also.
 

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Lestat said:
The eating of swine for one.

The old testament rather quite clearly forbids the eating of pork. Yet it is permitted in the new testament.

So tell me Birdy...do you eat pork. Cause if you, then you are blatantly going against the commandment of God, clearly stated in the old testament.

And then there is circumcision. Once again, in the old testament, however, contradicted in the new.
Old Testament law? How can there be a contradiction when it's not supposed to be applicable?
 

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In all fairness Le Stat, you're a raving muslim and they are just as bad and just as stupid as Christians.
What would you know about Islam...then again, you do have a habit of discussing topics which you have no idea about.
 

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Old Testament law? How can there be a contradiction when it's not supposed to be applicable?
Its in the Bible, is it not, yet it is not applicable. Hence the contradiction.

What else isn't 'applicable'...son of God perhaps???

You cannot pick and choose Birdy. Tell me again, who decides what is or isn't applicable in the Bible.

Oh, and can you show me exactly in the Bible where Jesus permits his followers to eat pork??
 

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What would you know about Islam...then again, you do have a habit of discussing topics which you have no idea about.
I see, so Christianity is a crock but Islam is different because 'it's the right one'? You and the other idiot are in the same boat: "My religion is right and everyone else's is wrong." Shame you're too dumb to see it.
 

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Where in the OT does it require rejection and damnation of lepers and people of different races? Homosexual behaviour in the OT was condemned because God hates sin, it is detestable to Him.
umm, but wait a minute. It was only condemned in the old testament. Never in the new.

And you did just say that old testament law isn't applicable...did you not. ;)
 

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I see, so Christianity is a crock but Islam is different because 'it's the right one'? You and the other idiot are in the same boat: "My religion is right and everyone else's is wrong." Shame you're too dumb to see it.
Of course I believe my religon is the right one...you nob. if i didn't believe it was right, then why would I practise it.

Besides....isn't that exactly what you do. You believe that your beliefs are right, and everyone else's are wrong. It just so happens that you don't believe in the existence of God.

Aren't you the one that mocks other people cause they believe in God, whereas you believe that God is an imaginary 'being' as I believe you have put it in the past.

Oh...i get it, so any sort of belief in God is a crock, however, you, your right because you don't believe in God.

hmm, sounds awfully like 'my beliefs are right and everyone else's is wrong'.

Of course I believe that I am right and other beliefs are wrong. Just as YOU believe to. So get of your high horse dip********, and stop pretending that your somehow tolerant of other peoples beliefs.

Take a look in the mirror sometime, your just as bad as those you are attacking.
 

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#46
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Buddhism has many good teachings for how one should live, however without Christ it is useless. For Jesus said: I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6.

Putting your trust in reincarnation is dangerous as it has the potential to earn you eternal condemnation, as does the worship of man made gods. It would be wise to turn away from these practices that conflict with the teachings of Christ.
I am a Gnostic. I have faith in Jesus' teachings, Gautama's teachings, Plato's teachings, Mohammad's teachings, Abraham's teachings, Hermetes' teachings, etc.

They all speak of one God / Universal Consciousness. That you speak of "man made Gods" proves you to be ignorant. You shouldn't shoot your mouth off about something that you know nothing about.

Your interperetation of Jesus' famous line, is completely different to yours. Jesus was talking about the fact that he was one with the Universal Consciousness. As such, he stated that the only way to end the cycle of rebirth, is to attain Enlightenment / Christhood. Thus, the only way to reunite with the "Father" (Universal Consciousness), was through him, which is to become a Christ.

In my belief system, Christ and Buddah are interchangable words. Jesus was born Christified. I am comforatble calling him Jesus Buddah and Siddartha Gautama a Christ. It means to be an Enlightened soul.

As for reincarnation, if you research it, you will find that reincarnation was in the Bible until the fifth century, before the Catholic Church saw fit to take it out. The Bible has been bastardised by man.

Jesus was a Jew. He practiced Jewish teachings, which most certainly involved studying the Kabbalah. The Kabbalah, and thus all Jews, teaches reincarnation. Jesus spoke about reincarnation when he spoke about John the Baptist.

Jesus spoke about releasing the light from within, which is available to everyone via meditation.

The book of revelation is not about a frightening day where angels come from above. It's about learning how to release the light from within. Revelation is about Enlightenement.

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/cayce10.html

Goldenblue said:
Brought up in a Buddist household, I refute your claim and believe in my Princes teachings before your Christ. Your Christ is just a fairy tale where Buddah was a real man who saw the real suffering in the world and joined those who suffered. All your God and Jesus does is cause suffering and spread hatred towards other religions.
Be cool Goldenblue! Your post does exactly what you were complaining about! Not all people who follow Jesus' teachings are as ignorant as Birdy.

Jesus was a Buddah. Siddartha Gautama was a Christ. Jesus knew all the Buddah knew, and vice versa! Please respect the Enlightened souls.
 

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Its in the Bible, is it not, yet it is not applicable. Hence the contradiction.

What else isn't 'applicable'...son of God perhaps???
Different laws for different times, there is no contradiction.

You cannot pick and choose Birdy. Tell me again, who decides what is or isn't applicable in the Bible.
God decides, it's not for us to decide our own laws.

Oh, and can you show me exactly in the Bible where Jesus permits his followers to eat pork??
there is nothing outside a man which by going into him can defile him; but the things which come out of a man are what defile him. Mark 7:15.
 

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there is nothing outside a man which by going into him can defile him; but the things which come out of a man are what defile him. Mark 7:15.
Funny that, nothing there about pork...is there.

however, sounds like homosexuality is accepted in the Bible. I never realised that. :D

After all Birdy...your quote from the Bible above does say....

There is nothing outside a man which by going into him can defile him. ;)

Its a rather generic statement isn't it, which can be interpreted in any way you like.
 

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Of course I believe my religon is the right one...you nob. if i didn't believe it was right, then why would I practise it.

Besides....isn't that exactly what you do. You believe that your beliefs are right, and everyone else's are wrong. It just so happens that you don't believe in the existence of God.

Aren't you the one that mocks other people cause they believe in God, whereas you believe that God is an imaginary 'being' as I believe you have put it in the past.

Oh...i get it, so any sort of belief in God is a crock, however, you, your right because you don't believe in God.

hmm, sounds awfully like 'my beliefs are right and everyone else's is wrong'.

Of course I believe that I am right and other beliefs are wrong. Just as YOU believe to. So get of your high horse dip********, and stop pretending that your somehow tolerant of other peoples beliefs.

Take a look in the mirror sometime, your just as bad as those you are attacking.
One thing you didn't take into account:

I base my opinion on what we know, i.e. we have no proof of any God so therefore I'm not going to waste my time believing it. You and others on the otherhand base your beliefs on nothing but are adamant your man is the God and the others are following a charlatan.

Me: We have no proof of any of these Gods therefore it's a waste of time to pick one out and believe in it unconditionally

You: My God is the right one and yours is wrong. There is absolutely no way I'm wrong.

Sorry champ, but there's a bit of a difference in thinking there.
 
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