bunsen burner said:
One thing you didn't take into account:
Yes, after reading your response below, one thing I didn't take into account is your ignorance. I apolgize for taking you seriously.
bunsen burner said:
I base my opinion on what we know, i.e. we have no proof of any God so therefore I'm not going to waste my time believing it.
But you just said that you base your opinion on 'what we know'. 'You' don't have any proof that of the existance of God, however, you also don't have any proof that God doesn't exist. Hence, thats just it, you don't know, do you.
Yet you tell us that you base your opinion on what you know, however, quite clearly, you don't know. So what do you base your opinion on again.
And secondly, my proof of the existance of God, is the Quran. You may not accept that as proof, however, I do, hence I believe in God. For me, the Quran is proof. I've read more books on theology then you, and I'm pretty sure that I've read more books on science then you (my dads a science teacher, I've had science rammed down my throat since the age of 10).
Now I'm not saying for a moment that because I've read more, then I'm somehow more qualified then you....however, what makes you think that your opinion is somehow more valid then mine. Oh thats right...cause its 'your' opinion.
Now, you can't tell me the Quran isn't proof, because you haven't read it have you. So you'll be commenting on something you know nothing about.
Of course, others who have read the Quran can make that claim, however, it is just there opinion. For me, the proof that God exists is the Quran. For Birdy, its the Bible. For Miller, its the Torah. Now we may all disagree with each other, and you may disagree with all of us, and we all believe we are right, and the others are wrong.
This is what makes our beliefs, and what makes us different.
bunsen burner said:
You and others on the otherhand base your beliefs on nothing but are adamant your man is the God and the others are following a charlatan.
And you are adamant that there is no God, and that anyone who believes in God is following an imaginary being that doesn't exist.
Quite an ignorant comment there BB. Why am I surprised.
Its rather obvious that you have no idea what I believe. First of all, I don't believe that any 'man' is my God. The fact that you say that I believe that a 'man' is God tells me that you no nothing about the Islamic religon.
My whole religon is based on the oneness of God (tahweed) and that no man can be elevated to His status. For a muslims to say 'the holy Muhummed' is a huge sin, as we are continuously told that Muhummed was just a man, a prophet. As Jesus was just a man, a prophet.
And I don't believe that others are following a charlaton.
I believe in the same God that the jews, and Christians believe in.
I believe in the same 'great central spirit' that the Red Indians believe in.
It is the characteristics of God that we disagree with.
Much of what FigJam wrote I agree with. Yet he is a self confessed agnostic, whereas I am muslim. There is much that the Quran does not tell me, and as such I am open to a number of beliefs in respect to these areas.
The Quran tells me that God sent over 100,000 prophets to every race, every peoples on the earth. This tells me that there are thousands of prophets who I have no idea about, who I don't even know who they are.
Its very possible that Budha was a prophet of God (many muslims from India believe so). I believe in one God, and one message.
bunsen burner said:
Me: We have no proof of any of these Gods therefore it's a waste of time to pick one out and believe in it unconditionally
However, anyone who does, is wrong. Right?
You: we have no proof that God exists, therefore religon is crap, and athiest beliefs are right, and yours are wrong.
bunsen burner said:
You: My God is the right one and yours is wrong. There is absolutely no way I'm wrong.
How is that different again from what you believe.
Just replace the words 'No God', with 'My God', and this statement could have very easily made by you (and probably has been made, in a number of threads).
Do you think that its possible that I am right, and you are wrong??
bunsen burner said:
Sorry champ, but there's a bit of a difference in thinking there.
No difference whatsoever. However, keep telling yourself that there is.