COVID-19 / Coronavirus

[HODGEYROAD]

So there is this child minding centre in Fairfield which is one of the major COVID hotspots in Sydney. The manager is heading off on maternity leave, which opens up a promotion possibility for existing staff. However, none of them want to get the COVID jab which is mandatory for the position. So they get in someone else from another area who is willing to get the jab.

What sort of twisted mind do these people have. Would rather not get vaccinated than get a promotion. No wonder the virus is going rampant in Sydney. FFS.

Maybe they don't believe coercion, ultimately it is your choice what goes into your body. The jab doesn't stop people from getting covid and spreading it, so not sure why people are so invested into other people's medical choices. Logic suggests to me people should just worry about their own choices.

 

[arupist]

Maybe they don't believe coercion, ultimately it is your choice what goes into your body. The jab doesn't stop people from getting covid and spreading it, so not sure why people are so invested into other people's medical choices. Logic suggests to me people should just worry about their own choices.

I see the people of Fairfield are not alone.

 

[HODGEYROAD]

I see the people of Fairfield are not alone.

Nor should they be, if someone wants to get Vaccinated they can, what other people do shouldn't bother them as long as they feel they've protected themselves.

 

[Gralin]

Nor should they be, if someone wants to get Vaccinated they can, what other people do shouldn't bother them as long as they feel they've protected themselves.

That's not how it works though.

If you're vaccinated against covid you are less likely to get it, less likely to spread it if you do and also less likely to have severe or long covid, but the risks are still there.

The more people vaccinated the lower the risks for everyone, including those that can't be vaccinated, like currently kids under 12 and all the people who aren't eligible due to medical conditions

It's not going away any time soon and with the way its spreading it's going to keep mutating, every person who could get vaccinated but chooses not to is choosing to increase the risks for everyone, not just themselves

 

[HODGEYROAD]

That's not how it works though.

If you're vaccinated against covid you are less likely to get it, less likely to spread it if you do and also less likely to have severe or long covid, but the risks are still there.

The more people vaccinated the lower the risks for everyone, including those that can't be vaccinated, like currently kids under 12 and all the people who aren't eligible due to medical conditions

It's not going away any time soon and with the way its spreading it's going to keep mutating, every person who could get vaccinated but chooses not to is choosing to increase the risks for everyone, not just themselves

I've got Vaccinated mates overseas that have recently contracted covid, so I think less likely to get it is marginal.

 

[Gralin]

I've got Vaccinated mates overseas that have recently contracted covid, so I think less likely to get it is marginal.

Less likely doesn't mean won't get it. It also depends on when they were vaccinated as we know efficacy weakens over time.

We've had fully vaccinated people die because nothing is 100 effective. When overseas and local stats are showing that the vast majority of hospital admissions and deaths are among the unvaccinated that's a pretty good example of the reason we have vaccines.

 

[HODGEYROAD]

Less likely doesn't mean won't get it. It also depends on when they were vaccinated as we know efficacy weakens over time.

We've had fully vaccinated people die because nothing is 100 effective. When overseas and local stats are showing that the vast majority of hospital admissions and deaths are among the unvaccinated that's a pretty good example of the reason we have vaccines.

You're going to have a hard time convincing me the Vaccines should be mandatory for fit and healthy young people in the regions that have a 99.999 % covid survival rate. By all means encourage it, but when push comes to shove it should be the persons decision.

 

[Gralin]

You're going to have a hard time convincing me the Vaccines should be mandatory for fit and healthy young people in the regions that have a 99.999 % covid survival rate. By all means encourage it, but when push comes to shove it should be the persons decision.

Where did I say anything about mandatory.

Your whole argument is about the individual like there is no impact to the wider community which is untrue and a pretty good example of where we are as a society.

Got mine * everyone else

 

[HODGEYROAD]

Where did I say anything about mandatory.

Your whole argument is about the individual like there is no impact to the wider community which is untrue and a pretty good example of where we are as a society.

Got mine fu** everyone else

My whole argument is just freedom of choice, no coercing people into getting by virtue of threats. Personally I couldn't care less about what each individual decides as it is their choice, net rest result is vaccinated or not you can still contract and transmit this virus.

Getting the vaccine IMO should in theory protect yourself from a less severe illness especially for people in the vulnerable category, for fit and healthy young people it's rarely severe anyways, but it will do little to stop the virus circulating.

 

[Gralin]

My whole argument is just freedom of choice, no coercing people into getting by virtue of threats. Personally I couldn't care less about what each individual decides as it is their choice, net rest result is vaccinated or not you can still contract and transmit this virus.

Getting the vaccine IMO should in theory protect yourself from a less severe illness especially for people in the vulnerable category, for fit and healthy young people it's rarely severe anyways, but it will do little to stop the virus circulating.

But you act like freedom of choice means no social contract and has no consequences.

 

[arupist]

My whole argument is just freedom of choice, no coercing people into getting by virtue of threats. Personally I couldn't care less about what each individual decides as it is their choice, net rest result is vaccinated or not you can still contract and transmit this virus.

Getting the vaccine IMO should in theory protect yourself from a less severe illness especially for people in the vulnerable category, for fit and healthy young people it's rarely severe anyways, but it will do little to stop the virus circulating.

So I am assuming you are going to stay unvaccinated and don't really care if you contract the virus and pass it on to someone who may die. But hey, at least it was your choice.

 

[HODGEYROAD]

So I am assuming you are going to stay unvaccinated and don't really care if you contract the virus and pass it on to someone who may die. But hey, at least it was your choice.

I think I'll likely have to get vaccinated as my work will push it to keep my job at some point is my gut feel and I have a mortgage to pay etc. As for the 2nd statement you make, even if I'm vaccinated I can still get and pass the virus on to someone who might die, although if they're vaccinated shouldn't they be protected ?

Anyways this really isn't going anywhere. We're all entitled to our opinions.

 

[jatz14]

My whole argument is just freedom of choice, no coercing people into getting by virtue of threats. Personally I couldn't care less about what each individual decides as it is their choice, net rest result is vaccinated or not you can still contract and transmit this virus.

Getting the vaccine IMO should in theory protect yourself from a less severe illness especially for people in the vulnerable category, for fit and healthy young people it's rarely severe anyways, but it will do little to stop the virus circulating.

Their freedom of choice is un impinged. They are free to not get it, I am free to not employ them, or let them in my building, or on my airplane.

Everyone is free. We can have a freedom party with freedom cupcakes.

Of course, you would need to be vaccinated to attend. Entirely your choice of course.

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[arupist]

I think I'll likely have to get vaccinated as my work will push it to keep my job at some point is my gut feel and I have a mortgage to pay etc. As for the 2nd statement you make, even if I'm vaccinated I can still get and pass the virus on to someone who might die, although if they're vaccinated shouldn't they be protected ?

Anyways this really isn't going anywhere. We're all entitled to our opinions.

You mean they are going to take away your right to chose? Oh, the irony.

But you are right, we are all entitled to our opinions.

FWIW, I will likely end up getting jabbed in the next week, but I am really, really pissed that I do not have the right to chose which vaccine I get. You see, once you hit 60, you automatically become less likely to get blood clots, so the government has deemed that those people get to use up all the unwanted A-Z stock.

 

[Endorphin Machine]

 

[Gralin]

You mean they are going to take away your right to chose? Oh, the irony.

But you are right, we are all entitled to our opinions.

FWIW, I will likely end up getting jabbed in the next week, but I am really, really pissed that I do not have the right to chose which vaccine I get. You see, once you hit 60, you automatically become less likely to get blood clots, so the government has deemed that those people get to use up all the unwanted A-Z stock.

I would have taking AZ if they'd let me months ago, I took the first vaccine I could get as soon as I could book in. Wife did the same, it's all we can do at the moment to reduce the risk of our kid getting it as we can't get them vaccinated.

None of them are perfect, and we don't have this sort of brand awareness on other meds and competing for the "best" one

It's very profitable for pfizer to have the good name but is it better for the world?


Statistically the chance of blood clots from any of the vaccines exists, AZ is slightly higher but still much much lower than the chance of blood clots from covid itself.

TGA is reporting 116 cases of TTS total so far in Australia and 6 fatalities

Pfizer has a risk of causing heart inflamation

AZ looks like it might have better protection against covid 6 months down the track that pfizer


Media hyping every side effect or possible side effect or death from a vaccine while we had low covid cases and no covid related deaths has done a lot of damage

As has the feds flip flopping on the messaging

If you live in Melbourne or Sydney the best thing you can do right now is get vaccinated if you haven't been and are eligble and looking at what is happening around the world, if you live elsewhere in Australia you still should be looking at getting vaccinated because this isn't going away any time soon

 

[The Kipster]

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[The hands of stone]

We've been told we need to be fully vaccinated by December 1st or the company cannot gaurantee employment.

Its fair enough , we work in healthcare, vulnerable clients etc .

One person in our office is refusing to get it. They are highest risk too age/health , have clearance to get it by doctors but still refusing.

Interesting times ahead .

 

[Gralin]

I think its pretty fair that if you work in a high risk setting with vulnerable people that they require you to be vaccinated.

Not like they don't already do this with flu shots

 

[Sixpence]

even if I'm vaccinated I can still get and pass the virus on to someone who might die, although if they're vaccinated shouldn't they be protected ?

Gralin has touched on this above, not everyone can get vaccinated for various reasons eg age, medical etc). It's up to those who can to do so to protect as many people as possible. Sure, you can be vaccinated and still pass it onto someone, but being unvaccinated means you have a much higher chance to pass it on.

The choice to not get vaccinated is ultimately a selfish one. I'm yet to hear a reasonable argument against getting it.

 

[The hands of stone]

I think its pretty fair that if you work in a high risk setting with vulnerable people that they require you to be vaccinated.

Not like they don't already do this with flu shots

100% . My colleague 'amicable' moved on , was advised by GP and specialist to get it but still didn't.

We have had clients of ours hospitalised with this and some are still in a very bad way.

 

[Gralin]

100% . My colleague 'amicable' moved on , was advised by GP and specialist to get it but still didn't.

We have had clients of ours hospitalised with this and some are still in a very bad way.

Yeah I know of few people who have moved or changed customers because of flu shots or covid vaccines and aged care/hospital settings and none of their vaccinated co workers thought they were doing the smart thing but its a risk that the employer can't wear

 

[HODGEYROAD]

Gralin has touched on this above, not everyone can get vaccinated for various reasons eg age, medical etc). It's up to those who can to do so to protect as many people as possible. Sure, you can be vaccinated and still pass it onto someone, but being unvaccinated means you have a much higher chance to pass it on.

The choice to not get vaccinated is ultimately a selfish one. I'm yet to hear a reasonable argument against getting it.

Everyone will get covid one way or another over the next few years, for me it's a personal choice if you want to face the illness vaxxed or not.

 

[Sixpence]

Everyone will get covid one way or another over the next few years, for me it's a personal choice if you want to face the illness vaxxed or not.

It's not just about how it affects you though. It affects how likely you are to pass it on to others, regardless of whether they're vaxed or not. That could be your friends, your family. You may not be affected much by it, not even realise you have it, visit your folks and they could struggle with it. Or pass it on to a random stranger who can't actually get vaccinated.

Or you could be affected massively by it, end up in hospital and take a bed away from someone else who needs it.

It's not simply a personal choice when not doing so becomes a risk to others.

 

[Gralin]

Everyone will get covid one way or another over the next few years, for me it's a personal choice if you want to face the illness vaxxed or not.

Yes it is your personal choice whether you vaccinate or not, but no it's not a choice that only impacts you personally.

As long as you are clear on that, and understand the impact your choice can have on others