Mega Thread >>COVID-19 DISCUSSION THREAD<<

[Angry Red Bull]

Seeing the comparison between lockdowns being eased and not finishing a course of antibiotics because you already feel better

My gripe is we have 1 new case on high testing. It will die out in 3-4 weeks. Yet we are easing restrictions on Friday. Dumb

 

[Millky95]

Seeing the comparison between lockdowns being eased and not finishing a course of antibiotics because you already feel better

Is my favourite

 

[The King!]

eradication wont happen

if you believe online whingers people did the wrong thing all month

i just hope it remains as relatively harmless as now re infection and hospitalisation etc then you can live with it


we can dine in up to 10 people next week , ill sit in for a coffee

i reckon we work home a while, but might do client visits

 

[The King!]

Is my favourite

its a good one, though you can see the ground parachuting and know when it ends

government/public dont know when this will end so not the same

 

[Millky95]

its a good one, though you can see the ground parachuting and know when it ends

government/public dont know when this will end so not the same

This will end in 1 or 2 ways:

1. We get some form of vaccine/tablet that can make everyone immune or when you get it make it not as bad where you don't need to go to hospital for it
2. Everyone gets it and gets immune naturally

2 will happen naturally but if we do it wrong, a lot of people will die which is what we want to avoid

 

[The King!]

This will end in 1 or 2 ways:

1. We get some form of vaccine/tablet that can make everyone immune or when you get it make it not as bad where you don't need to go to hospital for it
2. Everyone gets it and gets immune naturally

2 will happen naturally but if we do it wrong, a lot of people will die which is what we want to avoid

dies to a level like swine flu, sars etc sits in the background and people live on around it
Think we have avoided the mass deaths here but who knows when you can open borders

 

[The King!]

I'd still like one politician to be asked what about when theres no vaccine

 

[Millky95]

dies to a level like swine flu, sars etc sits in the background and people live on around it
Think we have avoided the mass deaths here but who knows when you can open borders

As long as we don't be nuts about re-opening things. Small steps. I'd rather not go back to work for the year than be in a worse place in July where I can't leave the suburb.

Open borders will be dependent on other countries imo

 

[The King!]

As long as we don't be nuts about re-opening things. Small steps. I'd rather not go back to work for the year than be in a worse place in July where I can't leave the suburb.

Open borders will be dependent on other countries imo

oh absolutely

im glad we are finally moving now, the pace of moving back isnt much of an issue, no point rushing now we have got to this point, bit immglad we arent just sitting twiddling our thumbs

the government message will be interesting into spring

sounds like scomo is already over job keeper

will probably be a crowd at the mcg for the grand final by the time it rolls around

 

[Millky95]

sounds like scomo is already over job keeper

Apparently it was rolled our poorly so some backlash from businesses I suspect

And when you build to an election all about rebuilding the budget and economy only for something out of your hands to punch you in the balls and **** it up so you can't give your rich mates more tax cuts, you'd be over it too

 

[Angry Red Bull]

eradication wont happen

if you believe online whingers people did the wrong thing all month

i just hope it remains as relatively harmless as now re infection and hospitalisation etc then you can live with it


we can dine in up to 10 people next week , ill sit in for a coffee

i reckon we work home a while, but might do client visits

They pretty much have a treatment that stops death now using a combination but need follow trials protocols etc. but I see within 2 mths it will be rolled out and a solution pre vaccine

only 1 nsw infection so not impossible to go to nil from there and stay there. easing will make it harder but growth won’t be immediate even if happens. It will take a month to start to spike

 

[RW]

This is quite good, from an actual expert when it comes to risk. I'm happy to take a precautionary approach for a bit longer.

 

[Edmund hunt]

A second wave will happen whether we like it or not.

 

[The King!]

Apparently it was rolled our poorly so some backlash from businesses I suspect

And when you build to an election all about rebuilding the budget and economy only for something out of your hands to punch you in the balls and fu** it up so you can't give your rich mates more tax cuts, you'd be over it too

he made the promise of australia mate, what else do you want

if you have a go you get a go

 

[Angry Red Bull]

I'd still like one politician to be asked what about when theres no vaccine

A vaccine isn’t pivotal. Equally important if not more is an effective treatment regimen. With convalescent plasma and remedesivir Vit C and D zinc etc we all can survive. when that happens the necessity of a vaccine becomes less important. The virus is impactful mainly because it’s new. I read one expert analysis which suggested that over time and without a vaccine there will be some residual immunity developed from initial exposure and the virus will in time become an inconvenience rather than deadly as it has been

I’m mainly concerned by the next 8 mths odd.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

This is quite good, from an actual expert when it comes to risk. I'm happy to take a precautionary approach for a bit longer.

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You think THAT is expert opinion? never read such rubbish in my life. Competence declines the further you go up totem pole (evidence trump and agree with that but he’s an anomaly ) and is at its best at small village level. Explain the incredible competence of our Aust response emanating from the peak and contrast that with the small village morons who ate strange animals in China mixing them with food in that wet market and caused all this. no pandemic being a lifetime event is ever factored in and expected and knowledge (in this case medical and economic) serves the people in important effective ways with some exceptions (trump).

 

[The King!]

You think THAT is expert opinion? never read such rubbish in my life. Competence declines the further you go up totem pole (evidence trump and agree with that but he’s an anomaly ) and is at its best at small village level. Explain the incredible competence of our Aust response emanating from the peak and contrast that with the small village morons who ate strange animals in China mixing them with food in that wet market and caused all this. no pandemic being a lifetime event is ever factored in and expected and knowledge (in this case medical and economic) serves the people in important effective ways with some exceptions (trump).

Only the ones you read are expert I guess?

 

[The King!]

A vaccine isn’t pivotal. Equally important if not more is an effective treatment regimen. With convalescent plasma and remedesivir Vit C and D zinc etc we all can survive. when that happens the necessity of a vaccine becomes less important. The virus is impactful mainly because it’s new. I read one expert analysis which suggested that over time and without a vaccine there will be some residual immunity developed from initial exposure and the virus will in time become an inconvenience rather than deadly as it has been

I’m mainly concerned by the next 8 mths odd.

That’s great but they all mention a vaccine every presser so I’d like to see them asked, so not sure what your point is

This isn’t an AMA thread is it?

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Nil new cases nsw overnight. Eradication in view

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Only the ones you read are expert I guess?

No not at all. But his credentials are in risk analysis probability and statistics which has nothing to do with history of pandemics and whether an inverse pyramid structure exists on expertise per se. The very nature of competition supports the opposite that expertise talent rises to the peak. There are exceptions like Trump but his ascension to power was by a wealthy person using his narcissism to suppress competition rather than by any inherent talent. I take an open mind to everything I read but I likewise test its strength or weakness. I don’t blindly accept and thats uniform.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

You want an answer to your question? What happens if there is no vaccine? The answer is self evident. We all get on with life as safely as we can. Do you really need to hear someone say that? Perhaps you are wanting to hear that so you can then say.......’well if that’s the case we might as well get on with it now’ see im starting to know how you think. But that’s unsound logic.

If a bridge is damaged by a torrent that remains strong do you:

a) try to cross the river and risk being swept away or

b) wait for them to repair the bridge before you cross

That’s what we are talking about here

 

[caesar88]

This might sound like a dumb question but is it actually possible for us to get to zero cases across Australia?

I'm trying to imagine a scenario where we can get to zero and literally live life as normal with the exception of our borders being closed, the whole country essentially becoming a quarantine hub* for a few years or however long it takes for the rest of the world to deal with the virus.

I know tourism is important to our economy and there would be some travel in and out of Australia that is essential and unavoidable. But keeping tourists out would surely not be such a loss if it meant every other aspect of our day to day life and economy could thrive while also ensuring we're protecting the elderly and vulnerable?

*the exceptions would be Australian citizens returning from overseas, who would still do the mandatory 14-day quarantine upon arrival.

Just spit-balling, probably more wishful thinking than anything.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

This might sound like a dumb question but is it actually possible for us to get to zero cases across Australia?

I'm trying to imagine a scenario where we can get to zero and literally live life as normal with the exception of our borders being closed, the whole country essentially becoming a quarantine hub* for a few years or however long it takes for the rest of the world to deal with the virus.

I know tourism is important to our economy and there would be some travel in and out of Australia that is essential and unavoidable. But keeping tourists out would surely not be such a loss if it meant every other aspect of our day to day life and economy could thrive while also ensuring we're protecting the elderly and vulnerable?

*the exceptions would be Australian citizens returning from overseas, who would still do the mandatory 14-day quarantine upon arrival.

Just spit-balling, probably more wishful thinking than anything.

Absolutely it’s possible imo:

Here is confirmed cases dateline

Mar 23. 1249
Mar 30. 719
Apr 6. 245
Apr 13. 100
Apr 20. 45
Apr 27. 37
May 4. 19

Many states are nil and have stopped local transmission. Those that haven’t are heading there. The ever declining numbers prove that. seemingly the decision to open up now then is because the cost of $4b pw loss is considered more damaging than a virus now essentially under control especially if we maintain control. if only a handful get it each week and probability that 98% of those survive then the decision being made is an economic one not a medical one. That decision is ok providing there is assurance it will not again get away from us. Imo their thinking is that it won’t and they will maintain control.

History is a pointer to future. lockdown control has demonstrated that the virus can be controlled here more than anywhere. the uncertainty that mired its emergence is being demystified. Kudos to our medical people

 

[The King!]

No not at all. But his credentials are in risk analysis probability and statistics which has nothing to do with history of pandemics and whether an inverse pyramid structure exists on expertise per se. The very nature of competition supports the opposite that expertise talent rises to the peak. There are exceptions like Trump but his ascension to power was by a wealthy person using his narcissism to suppress competition rather than by any inherent talent. I take an open mind to everything I read but I likewise test its strength or weakness. I don’t blindly accept and thats uniform.

I haven’t seen any evidence of an open mind here? You dismissed a theory as rubbish straight away


Think your testing needs work

 

[The King!]

You want an answer to your question? What happens if there is no vaccine? The answer is self evident. We all get on with life as safely as we can. Do you really need to hear someone say that? Perhaps you are wanting to hear that so you can then say.......’well if that’s the case we might as well get on with it now’ see im starting to know how you think. But that’s unsound logic.

If a bridge is damaged by a torrent that remains strong do you:

a) try to cross the river and risk being swept away or

b) wait for them to repair the bridge before you cross

That’s what we are talking about here

I want a politician to be pushed to discuss something they constantly bring up , I’ve got your answer several times thanks