Mega Thread >>COVID-19 DISCUSSION THREAD<<

[Angry Red Bull]

Very well said, I don't necessarily agree with it all, but mostly (imo) you got nursing homes dead right...

With one notable exception... Most of those who live in a nursing home and still have cognition, just want it to be over! They're bored, lonely and totally dependent on others for the first time in years... they, on the whole, would much prefer to have been left at home to die! The idea that you can lock them up and leave them to rot for what looks like being up to 12 months is appalling to them...

With respect on what basis do you think it appropriate for you to speak on behalf of a whole class of person (aged care residents) as though you somehow know their sentiment and beliefs around what they endure or don’t in order to survive. In future if you want to self appoint advocacy for a group please do so on the basis they stay alive

 

[Nool Carpenna]

I also think most people who do agree with me would be too scared or just can’t be bothered speaking up in places like this because you get shouted down by bleeding heart fools (not you at all)

Of course!
Wonder if your mate has got any stats to back that up?
Or maybe you’re just in the minority?

 

[The King!]

I think in a different world where that hotel didn't have it's issue (with guards or staff or people who didn't listen to the rules or whatever the cause was) AND we exited stage 3 with masks/face coverings, we wouldn't be in this position we are in now. Which is why we need to get it right this time around or there will be no going back and we will end up like the US because the health system can't cope.

Yes, people are suffering from this disease and a lot are suffering from the lockdown and the situation put on them. And it ******* sucks all the way around. What gets me through the night and something I need to remind my mum of (who wants to break lockdown so she can see her grandchildren) is that we aren't the US. We aren't having thousands of people die a day which would include people like her mother, husband, children, close friends and others, which includes high risk and low risk people. We want to be like NZ and NZ got there by doing what we are doing now.

Personally, I have always been happy to cop short term pain for long term gain. Which is why I was happy with the first lockdown and jobkeeper (as broad concepts). This second lockdown does feel like a kick in the balls and like we are being punished for other people's mistakes (and bad luck). So we need to get it right this time.

I don't think anyone would do a 3rd lockdown. It won't happen and it can't happen. I am fully expecting to never shake someone's hand or not wear a mask to work/on a date/going out for another 3 years or so, but if we can get numbers down now we don't have to do this again.

A second wave was always going to happen. IMO, it is happening in NSW now. It was always a matter of how bad will it be. Unfortunately, a combination of botched HQ, complacency coming out of S3 (BLM protests, people not giving a sh*t in general, no masks) and bad luck has made the 2nd wave worse than it could have been.

We just have to get it right and have things go our way this time. And our 3rd wave (when it happens) can be more like QLD or NSW and we don't get pushed indoors like this again.

But that's just me. Maybe I'm an optimist. Maybe I am too accepting of getting punched in the face. I just hate the "it's not that bad" and "we overreacted" comments when all you have to do is look at other countries and realise that is is that bad.

I don’t think it’s that’s bad , bad enough to stop the whole world , it’s unfortunate and it’s horrid but some of the reporting and classification of it is ridiculous


Pushing people indoors again and again is not dealing with anything , how about we stop testing everyone and focus on treating sick people

There are people dying from all sorts of issues

Where you say you have accepted Not dating not shaking hands etc for years , that’s so sad , I admire your attitude in a sense , just wanting what’s right but **** me at some point we may as well just go catch it and drop dead if living is just sitting and existing

I’m tired of the scaremongering and the blame all the selfish people and all that bullshit

You shouldn’t be confined to your house, if you choose to do it so be it


Governments started this as your graph said to spread the damage and flatten the curve what are doing now? And why is he threatening to extend the lockdown, why is he trying to change the law so he can extend lockdown

Why have a law if your just change it when it applies

Anyway stay sane you are a good person (well seem
To be on here)

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

From Facebook.

 

[The King!]

Besides the hypocrisy is annoying anyway

Berry farmer here in tas yesterday is limited to 100 international pickers getting an exemption

There’s people moving around with freedom that regular Australians don’t have

 

[The King!]

From Facebook.

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Taylor missus cheer leader

 

[Angry Red Bull]

CDC projections have a 99.3% survival rate but 99.4 - 99.5% appears more realistic based on the more recent data

This recent paper estimates 0.3% IFR for ages 0-59 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.23.20160895v3

Nothing like a few “projections“ to add weight to your argument.... especially from an “independent” agency like the CDC.
How about these factual stats... 22.5m cases and 790000 deaths? I’m no mathematical genius but I think that works out to roughly 3.5% yeah?
Now sadly for you and your ilk, it seems the majority of the planet puts value on all lives not just those that fall into low risk category but I understand your need to repeatedly vent about your perception of wrongdoing.
Speaking of perceptions... if you are going to quote an article and then provide the link to it, perhaps you should at least be accurate.... “This recent paper estimates 0.3% IFR for ages 0-59“ ... that is not what the article says! Minor detail I know but it might induce scepticism about the validity of your statistics.

The important distinction in both cases is the health sectors capacity to cope. When the curve isn’t controlled then mortality is high 3.5%(and bodies get left in hallways or death storage rooms) and when it is managed it can be 1%. I’d suggest that is good reason to manage the curve which ONLY happens with lockdowns SD quarantining and contract tracing.

Doing this stuff causes a little economic inconvenience yet 2.5% of 25M is 625,000 people. By all means let’s just let rip. Are you people effing serious? Sorry for being entitled again........it’s just I’d like to live

Might invest in half a dozen calculators for some here. I’ll even show you how to turn it on and what the numbers mean. Mind you teaching fractions and percentages might be a step too far.

 

[brad cooper]

So if you’re concerned about contracting a potentially fatal disease or spreading it throughout the community, you’re a nervous nelly... but if you’re concerned about lockdowns because of a perceived threat to mankind through an irreversible breakdown of economics you’re not? I think I get it

Nothing like a few “projections“ to add weight to your argument.... especially from an “independent” agency like the CDC.
How about these factual stats... 22.5m cases and 790000 deaths? I’m no mathematical genius but I think that works out to roughly 3.5% yeah?
Now sadly for you and your ilk, it seems the majority of the planet puts value on all lives not just those that fall into low risk category but I understand your need to repeatedly vent about your perception of wrongdoing.
Speaking of perceptions... if you are going to quote an article and then provide the link to it, perhaps you should at least be accurate.... “This recent paper estimates 0.3% IFR for ages 0-59“ ... that is not what the article says! Minor detail I know but it might induce scepticism about the validity of your statistics.

But if you go on a BLM protest like you did there is no problem even though by doing so you 1. Broke the law/rules of the time and 2. potentially put yourself, family and others in danger.

 

[Millky95]

Pushing people indoors again and again is not dealing with anything , how about we stop testing everyone and focus on treating sick people

That's the thing though, we won't be able to treat sick people if it gets out of hand.

Where you say you have accepted Not dating not shaking hands etc for years , that’s so sad , I admire your attitude in a sense , just wanting what’s right but fu** me at some point we may as well just go catch it and drop dead if living is just sitting and existing

I think you might have misunderstood what I meant (on reflection I worded it poorly). When I expect when I go to work and meet a client, I won't shake their hand when I meet them, I'll just nod my head and wave. When I mic someone up, I'll wear gloves. When I go to restaurant (particularly first date) I'll wear a mask. I'll do what I would normally do, just slightly differently now. And I am prepared to cop that if it means my family and non-shit people are safe. I hope that is a bit more clear

Governments started this as your graph said to spread the damage and flatten the curve what are doing now? And why is he threatening to extend the lockdown, why is he trying to change the law so he can extend lockdown

Why have a law if your just change it when it applies

Unfortunately, our graph went down and right back up again. Which ****ing sucks. I think (hope) that they are doing what they believe is in the best interest of the people as a whole.

Also, lockdown should extend 1 more week imo, so it matches up with the school term and kids don't go back for a week then have 2 more off. Just let them stay home

Anyway stay sane you are a good person (well seem
To be on here)

Ask any of my exes and they will respectfully disagree but thank you

 

[Nool Carpenna]

But if you go on a BLM protest like you did there is no problem even though by doing so you 1. Broke the law/rules of the time and 2. potentially put yourself, family and others in danger.

I didn’t break any rules... I attended a lawful protest!
And I took all the same precautions as I would going to Woolworths....

 

[The King!]

But if you go on a BLM protest like you did there is no problem even though by doing so you 1. Broke the law/rules of the time and 2. potentially put yourself, family and others in danger.

The BLM protestors from Victoria are the biggest hypocrites in Australia

Their justification has been moronic

 

[Angry Red Bull]

I think in a different world where that hotel didn't have it's issue (with guards or staff or people who didn't listen to the rules or whatever the cause was) AND we exited stage 3 with masks/face coverings, we wouldn't be in this position we are in now. Which is why we need to get it right this time around or there will be no going back and we will end up like the US because the health system can't cope.

Yes, people are suffering from this disease and a lot are suffering from the lockdown and the situation put on them. And it ******* sucks all the way around. What gets me through the night and something I need to remind my mum of (who wants to break lockdown so she can see her grandchildren) is that we aren't the US. We aren't having thousands of people die a day which would include people like her mother, husband, children, close friends and others, which includes high risk and low risk people. We want to be like NZ and NZ got there by doing what we are doing now.

Personally, I have always been happy to cop short term pain for long term gain. Which is why I was happy with the first lockdown and jobkeeper (as broad concepts). This second lockdown does feel like a kick in the balls and like we are being punished for other people's mistakes (and bad luck). So we need to get it right this time.

I don't think anyone would do a 3rd lockdown. It won't happen and it can't happen. I am fully expecting to never shake someone's hand or not wear a mask to work/on a date/going out for another 3 years or so, but if we can get numbers down now we don't have to do this again.

A second wave was always going to happen. IMO, it is happening in NSW now. It was always a matter of how bad will it be. Unfortunately, a combination of botched HQ, complacency coming out of S3 (BLM protests, people not giving a sh*t in general, no masks) and bad luck has made the 2nd wave worse than it could have been.

We just have to get it right and have things go our way this time. And our 3rd wave (when it happens) can be more like QLD or NSW and we don't get pushed indoors like this again.

But that's just me. Maybe I'm an optimist. Maybe I am too accepting of getting punched in the face. I just hate the "it's not that bad" and "we overreacted" comments when all you have to do is look at other countries and realise that is is that bad.

Mate sorry you are going through all that. it seems to be coming under control again so hopefully things will pan out ok. Short term pain for long term gain. Yep spot on.

 

[brad cooper]

I didn’t break any rules... I attended a lawful protest!
And I took all the same precautions as I would going to Woolworths....

you and all the others broke the mass gatherings rules of the time whether you stayed socially distant or not.

 

[Millky95]

Mate sorry you are going through all that. it seems to be coming under control again so hopefully things will pan out ok. Short term pain for long term gain. Yep spot on.

I'm better off than others I know so I try not to complain too much. But thanks

 

[Nool Carpenna]

you and all the others broke the mass gatherings rules of the time whether you stayed socially distant or not.

Geez that march really burns hey? I understand that... so much fun singing and dancing... live music... food and wine...passing the billys around.... man it was just like COVID hadn’t even been invented yet.
It’s a shame you couldn’t make it... I thought it was an open invitation to anybody that objects to racially motivated murder?

It was sanctioned by the courts after all.... you do recognise the courts yeah?

 

[Nool Carpenna]

I’m tired of the scaremongering and the blame all the selfish people and all that bullshit

Wait... weren’t you the one predicting outbreaks of crime and looting etc in the very early days? And screaming about the total devastation of lives and careers of kids cos they missed a few weeks of school? And at every opportunity declaring the cure will be worse than the disease? Badmouthed the willingness of people to yield to the authoritarian decisions of our governments? Labelled anybody concerned about contracting/spreading the virus as a nervous nelly?

The BLM protestors from Victoria are the biggest hypocrites in Australia

Hmmm... can’t dispute your qualifications to pass that judgment

 

[Olian]

More than twice as many people have died of the flu than COVID 19 this year in Australia. Do we value those with COVID over those with the flu?

On a lighter note WA are now considering putting ankle bracelets on those at risk of jumping hotel security. Not sure who they would consider a risk but no doubt gender and age demographic will influence the profiling.

 

[Millky95]

More than twice as many people have died of the flu than COVID 19 this year in Australia. Do we value those with COVID over those with the flu?

On a lighter note WA are now considering putting ankle bracelets on those at risk of jumping hotel security. Not sure who they would consider a risk but no doubt gender and age demographic will influence the profiling.

Source please

 

[Olian]

Source please

ABS DYOR

 

[Millky95]

ABS DYOR

Less acronyms please, that murdered my google

 

[Olian]

Geez that march really burns hey? I understand that... so much fun singing and dancing... live music... food and wine...passing the billys around.... man it was just like COVID hadn’t even been invented yet.
It’s a shame you couldn’t make it... I thought it was an open invitation to anybody that objects to racially motivated murder?

It was sanctioned by the courts after all.... you do recognise the courts yeah?

It wasn’t sanctioned by the courts in NSW second time.

 

[The King!]

Less acronyms please, that murdered my google

This time last year 430 people had died from influenza. This year it's just 36

Australia has seen a huge drop in influenza cases and deaths this year. Experts say a combination of school closures, physical distancing, hand hygiene, border closures and increased vaccination rates have all contributed to the sharp decline.

www.abc.net.au

article on it

we cured the flu, funny that

 

[Millky95]

This time last year 430 people had died from influenza. This year it's just 36

Australia has seen a huge drop in influenza cases and deaths this year. Experts say a combination of school closures, physical distancing, hand hygiene, border closures and increased vaccination rates have all contributed to the sharp decline.

www.abc.net.au

article on it

we cured the flu, funny that

Unless I read Olian 's post wrong, isn't that a good thing? And the flu and COVID are both coronaviruses so obviously what helps stop one stops the other?

 

[The King!]

Unless I read Olian 's post wrong, isn't that a good thing? And the flu and COVID are both coronaviruses so obviously what helps stop one stops the other?

yep guess if we stay away from each other no flu

or like the vic health man said they count them as covid by default, so maybe muddies the flu deaths

one major positive, people who are sick dont come to work now and dont feel bad missing it

 

[Millky95]

one major positive, people who are sick dont come to work now and dont feel bad missing it

Except those with no sick pay

**** the casual industry