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Black_White

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Equally, to think that the country will be locked off from the rest of the world for years by a virus from which the vaccinated vulnerable will be protected, while Europeans and Americans are able to freely travel much of the globe, is beyond reasonable and frankly unbearable.
I think the Americans and Europeans live under the belief that no matter what they do, the virus will still bend them over and have its way with them.
For the Europeans it’s the simple fact that each individual country has its own response, then the communist bloc have another response. Being land locked is a huge disadvantage.
For the Americans, their political system is so fractured that each opposing state reacts negatively to what is happening right next to them. Throw in a maniac like Trump who gathers the marginalised nutjobs to the forefront and any response to this pandemic is fractured.
As an island we have a huge advantage, which the Government has taken advantage of. The fact they have to deal with very few states/territories is also an advantage.
There was a statement from another poster about chasing a zero Covid policy. That’s simply unachievable, but that’s what we appear to be doing.
If the Morrison Government does up the quarantine facilities, outside of cities CBD’s, then unfettered (for the majority) travel may still happen in 2022. But there will always be regulations about this travel. Negative test within 48/72 hours of return, 14 days in government/home isolation. The bare minimum that must be enforced for years to come.
 

TheGreatGrundy

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There was a statement from another poster about chasing a zero Covid policy. That’s simply unachievable, but that’s what we appear to be doing.
If the Morrison Government does up the quarantine facilities, outside of cities CBD’s, then unfettered (for the majority) travel may still happen in 2022. But there will always be regulations about this travel. Negative test within 48/72 hours of return, 14 days in government/home isolation. The bare minimum that must be enforced for years to come.
I am pessimistic about this country's ability to realistically deal with the dangers posed by the virus, but I think your pessimism is totally over the top.
 

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I am pessimistic about this country's ability to realistically deal with the dangers posed by the virus, but I think your pessimism is totally over the top.
It’s not pessimism. It’s just reality as I see it based on the history of the last 12 months. Be it Government, international reaction and dealing with the virus, or the ability of the virus itself to throw a curve ball.
I’m actually looking for international travel for October to celebrate the big six O. New Zealand is my only option and I’m struggling to find a decent tour at a decent price, and I understand that if I purchase there’s a damn good chance that I’m not going anywhere.
This is the reality of 2021 and I believe 2022.
 

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It’s not pessimism. It’s just reality as I see it based on the history of the last 12 months. Be it Government, international reaction and dealing with the virus, or the ability of the virus itself to throw a curve ball.
I’m actually looking for international travel for October to celebrate the big six O. New Zealand is my only option and I’m struggling to find a decent tour at a decent price, and I understand that if I purchase there’s a damn good chance that I’m not going anywhere.
This is the reality of 2021 and I believe 2022.
I will get out of here longer term in the second half of the year if I have to otherwise I doubt I could survive being imprisoned here for 2+ years. I am dog sitting currently for someone who has gone to NZ. Flying to NZ is also a way of getting out of the country as unlike Australia it is possible to fly out of there to overseas destinations. As you say the problem is re-entering Australia. My US mate is heading to Europe from the states for a couple of months in summer - he is already fully vaccinated with Pfizer. Makes me jealous when I hear what people are able to do from other countries.
 

Black_White

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I will get out of here longer term in the second half of the year if I have to otherwise I doubt I could survive being imprisoned here for 2+ years. I am dog sitting currently for someone who has gone to NZ. Flying to NZ is also a way of getting out of the country as unlike Australia it is possible to fly out of there to overseas destinations. As you say the problem is re-entering Australia. My US mate is heading to Europe from the states for a couple of months in summer - he is already fully vaccinated with Pfizer. Makes me jealous when I hear what people are able to do from other countries.
You know I still detest the line “imprisoned”.
This is Australia. For all its faults, it’s a pretty good place to be stuck in.
I like you GG. Would love to have a sneaky beer as I’m sure our common views outweigh our differences.
But you need to respect your “prison” much more than you do now.
 

TheGreatGrundy

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You know I still detest the line “imprisoned”.
This is Australia. For all its faults, it’s a pretty good place to be stuck in.
I like you GG. Would love to have a sneaky beer as I’m sure our common views outweigh our differences.
But you need to respect your “prison” much more than you do now.
Agreed to some extent re 'prison'. I loathe Melbourne winters, my Thai mate's life is unravelling without my presence and I really miss socialising nightly with my expat friends in Cambodia. But I agree with you about having a beer. I think we'd find some common ground and have a bit of a laugh at our sometimes overly precious forum behaviour.
 

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One case.
And the media go wild!
The reporting is really over the top here, there is good news, contacts of the positive case have tested negative. But the news services don’t lead with that.
They lead with outrage and scare tactics.
It shits me.
Besides, I don’t think this positive case is real. Because every positive case that has possible contact venues listed (even in NZ) has always, ALWAYS, had a visitation to a Bunnings store. Yes even NZ!
No Bunnings visit = fake news…….
 

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One case.
And the media go wild!
The reporting is really over the top here, there is good news, contacts of the positive case have tested negative. But the news services don’t lead with that.
They lead with outrage and scare tactics.
It shits me.
Besides, I don’t think this positive case is real. Because every positive case that has possible contact venues listed (even in NZ) has always, ALWAYS, had a visitation to a Bunnings store. Yes even NZ!
No Bunnings visit = fake news…….
The media have shown themselves to be nothing more than panic merchant clowns in handling how to come across with information.
 

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I have no doubt about that.
What I do doubt is the Government’s opinion that the virus can be locked down by vaccination of the populace.
The virus has already exhibited its ability to mutate in short time. The Government have already exhibited the ability to shut borders, under threat of fines and jail time, in short time.
To believe that the Government will deliver on a “promise” of zero quarantine days is simply to ignore the precedent set by the same Government in the last 12 months.
There is zero guarantee that if you venture overseas you will be granted return access.
Pretty easy, if you've gone overseas since the initial COVID outbreak (without some sort of absurdly valid reasoning) you're a ******* idiot.

Federal Govt's ban on visitors from India right now is absolutely spot on.
 

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Just remember Dave, the vaccine is not a cure.
It does not prevent you from contracting Covid.
Its purpose is to stop you ending up in intensive care.
All we need is for covid to stop being a disease that puts people in intensive care. Once that happens, who cares if it still spreads like a common cold or a minor strain of the flu. Plus it's significantly stopping spread too. Check out the data from Israel - schools went back, entertainment venues and resaurants opened back up with 3500 cases a day. With all this stuff open, they're now down to double figure cases and very few covid related deaths - so far, it's worked a lot more quickly and effectively than Victoria's lockdown.
 

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If the Morrison Government does up the quarantine facilities, outside of cities CBD’s, then unfettered (for the majority) travel may still happen in 2022. But there will always be regulations about this travel. Negative test within 48/72 hours of return, 14 days in government/home isolation. The bare minimum that must be enforced for years to come.
It's unlikely that the Morrison government (or any other Australian government) will come up with a novel solution. Australia will ultimately follow what other countries do. They've been smart enough to follow China and NZ so far, rather than copying Europe and the States like we usually do.

Many countries will open up by the end of the year. In less than two weeks time, Israel is allowing vaccinated tour groups to enter without quarantine - PCR negative before departure and on arrival and a test of whether the traveller is vaccinated - no quarantine after results. If it goes well, they're planning on individual travellers to enter under the same tests in July. A lot of other countries will try slightly different things. Once Australia is vaccinated, Australia will choose one countries plan which has been effective. God knows what it will be, but I'll be surprised if it's 2 weeks quarantine to the majority of countries for many years to come.
 

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All we need is for covid to stop being a disease that puts people in intensive care. Once that happens, who cares if it still spreads like a common cold or a minor strain of the flu. Plus it's significantly stopping spread too. Check out the data from Israel - schools went back, entertainment venues and resaurants opened back up with 3500 cases a day. With all this stuff open, they're now down to double figure cases and very few covid related deaths - so far, it's worked a lot more quickly and effectively than Victoria's lockdown.
Hopefully when just about everyone gets Vaccinated this what will Happen.

They won't worry about Cases the only thing they be looking for is IF cases that send people to Hospital
 

Black_White

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All we need is for covid to stop being a disease that puts people in intensive care. Once that happens, who cares if it still spreads like a common cold or a minor strain of the flu. Plus it's significantly stopping spread too. Check out the data from Israel - schools went back, entertainment venues and resaurants opened back up with 3500 cases a day. With all this stuff open, they're now down to double figure cases and very few covid related deaths - so far, it's worked a lot more quickly and effectively than Victoria's lockdown.
If we follow the States, then it’s unlikely we will become an “Israel”.
The states have almost stopped vaccinations at about 55-60%.
We are nowhere near those percentages and I continue to hear resistance to getting the jab from people. All ages, all viewpoints.
Will this change? Will we get to the 80%+ vaccination of populace needed to attain herd immunity?
I have my doubts,


P.S. You cannot seriously compare the lockdown, when there was no access to vaccines (in fact there was no vaccine) to Israel?
 

sr36

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P.S. You cannot seriously compare the lockdown, when there was no access to vaccines (in fact there was no vaccine) to Israel?
I wasn't being critical of the lockdown. I was saying that it was effective and that the vaccine in Israel has also been effective really quickly.
 

sr36

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If we follow the States, then it’s unlikely we will become an “Israel”.
The states have almost stopped vaccinations at about 55-60%.
The freedom loving states aren't restricting entry to establishments to non vaccinated people. I think Australia will.
 

Black_White

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The freedom loving states aren't restricting entry to establishments to non vaccinated people. I think Australia will.
The freedom loving States are approaching 600,000 deaths.
The repatriation flights from India show that we are in the right track. 25%+ of people who wanted to fly tested positive to the Indian Covid. That’s a huge percentage if you take into account the fact 10,000+ people want out of India.
And could you imagine how many more would have been infected in flight?
We might not be “freedom loving” right now, but we are taking steps to protect citizens in our soil and preventing overwhelming of our health system.
 

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The freedom loving States are approaching 600,000 deaths.
The repatriation flights from India show that we are in the right track. 25%+ of people who wanted to fly tested positive to the Indian Covid. That’s a huge percentage if you take into account the fact 10,000+ people want out of India.
And could you imagine how many more would have been infected in flight?
We might not be “freedom loving” right now, but we are taking steps to protect citizens in our soil and preventing overwhelming of our health system.
They've just approved Pfizer in the states to 12+ years of age, which will help, and they're trying a lot of carrots to encourage vaccination, but I think they need to aldd in some sticks.
 

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Was it only less than a month ago we were in discuss with Singapore about a travel bubble?
And the biggest cluster comes from the International Airport. Tells us a lot about our future in regards to flying.
 

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Was it only less than a month ago we were in discuss with Singapore about a travel bubble?
And the biggest cluster comes from the International Airport. Tells us a lot about our future in regards to flying.
If the Singaporeans are having issues I can't imagine what will happen at Australian airports...
 

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