Opinion COVID19 - To Vacc or Not to Vacc

[MrKK]

Both sides of the argument are not always equal; just as, when talking about travelling the globe, I don't feel obliged to get an opinion from a flat earther.

There are legitimate conversations to be had about lockdowns, the support offered, vaccine rollout etc. But if the argument is vaccines are a conspiracy to control the populace and we should all be taking horse dewormer instead, well, that doesn't warrant equal coverage.

Anyone calling Ivermectin 'horse dewormer' is not interested in a serious discussion about it.

 

[larrikin]

Anyone calling Ivermectin 'horse dewormer' is not interested in a serious discussion about it.

When the manufacturer of the medication says it's not for this use, why are we even still talking about it?

 

[JackOutback]

I think at this point the people that aren't going to get it are set in their opinion and wont change.

Exhibit A

You’re either on the news frequency of taking the download with every update, constructing your reality from it and regurgitating the narrative or you’re critically thinking outside the book ends that they provide you with and discerning the information you experience to the information they tell you, you experience.

Even with the “science” facts it’s a 2/10 asymptomatic virus that in over ruling majority only effects the severely elderly or health compromised.

 

[JackOutback]

Anyone calling Ivermectin 'horse dewormer' is not interested in a serious discussion about it.

There is no serious discussion to be had about Ivermectin and COVID. Ivermectin targets parasites, COVID is a virus, what studies have been done have shown no benefit whatsoever, the manufacturer says do not take it for COVID. If you are seriously considering Ivermectin as a COVID treatment, you're a pom-pom waver for your ideological team and not capable of serious discussion.

 

[MrKK]

When the manufacturer of the medication says it's not for this use, why are we even still talking about it?

There were enormous financial incentives for every pharmaceutical company (including Merck) for there to be no existing drug treatment for Covid-19. I have no idea of Ivermectin or any other existing drug works or not, but the problem is no-one wanted to find out because there was no money in doing so.

You should tell Oxford to halt their Ivermectin trial if Merck knows that it doesn't work.

 

[Dazzler9]

There were enormous financial incentives for every pharmaceutical company (including Merck) for there to be no existing drug treatment for Covid-19. I have no idea of Ivermectin or any other existing drug works or not, but the problem is no-one wanted to find out because there was no money in doing so.

You should tell Oxford to halt their Ivermectin trial if Merck knows that it doesn't work.

I'm keen to see the results of the Oxford trial. Some solid, decent data, which should give some actual clarity on this subject.

Of course, if it's unfavourable, we will then have to contend with the claims "buh, buh, it was rigged, big pharma, bahhh". I know of at least one poster who has pre-emptively said something to that effect.

 

[kane249]

Pfizer will be available to over 60s in WA to book from next week

 

[bUCKET__]

After the same level of sarcasm post that I was told to tone down I’m expecting the same standards to be held by the moderator here

I am genuinely interested! Of course I am dubious about your methods, but I really want to know what you think you've done that makes you so much better informed. If you have a book or guru you are consulting, feel free to PM even. But if you don't like the tone, don't post with such an air of enlightened sagacity?

 

[Ok Boomer]

Looking at some graphs regarding state by state vaccine rollout and it seems as though we are going as fast as any other state now except for the big 2, however we had such a slow start which means we are still behind. Hopefully the Pfizer for all announcement will get some of the dumb Facebook boomers over the line and speed things up further.

 

[Footfalcon]

Gets the double vax... still has to go in lock downs and wear mask

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Gets flu jab … still has to wash hands and avoid getting sneezed on

 

[Footfalcon]

Gets the flu vaccine... still gets the flu

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Wears a condom … still gets chick pregnant.

Wears a seatbelt … still gets injured in a crash.

It’s almost like these risk minimization strategies don’t completely reduce risks to zero.

 

[Footfalcon]

Wears a condom … still gets chick pregnant.

Wears a seatbelt … still gets injured in a crash.

It’s almost like these risk minimization strategies don’t completely reduce risks to zero.

It’s JUST as if stripping freedoms from vaccinated people is absolute madness

 

[Footfalcon]

Vaccinations unlike those methods are “scientifically” meant to give you a insignificant speck of (insert virus) so your body is able to fight it if you happen to come across it with zero repercussions. Almost as if the vaccines aren’t vaccines

 

[Footfalcon]

Not even comparing apples to oranges it’s fruit to animals.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Vaccinations unlike those methods are “scientifically” meant to give you a insignificant speck of (insert virus) so your body is able to fight it if you happen to come across it with zero repercussions. Almost as if the vaccines aren’t vaccines

Some of them work that way, some work a different way.

All of them have been rushed out in response to a deadly global pandemic, none of them are claimed to be 100 per cent effective, particularly against new strains that developed later on.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

It’s JUST as if stripping freedoms from vaccinated people is absolute madness

Are you vaccinated? Are you intending to get vaccinated?

If not, how does “stripping freedoms from vaccinated people” affect you in any way?

 

[Footfalcon]

Some of them work that way, some work a different way.

All of them have been rushed out in response to a deadly global pandemic, none of them are claimed to be 100 per cent effective, particularly against new strains that developed later on.

Yes but still side effects of which can be more severe then the symptom should you suffer from the actual virus. LOl
Yes rushed admittedly and being forced down the throats of everyone

 

[Footfalcon]

Are you vaccinated? Are you intending to get vaccinated?

If not, how does “stripping freedoms from vaccinated people” affect you in any way?

Was intended to Ben unvaccinated people

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Yes but still side effects of which can be more severe then the symptom should you suffer from the actual virus. LOl
Yes rushed admittedly and being forced down the throats of everyone

Mine didn’t go through the throat, must’ve been administered wrong.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Was intended to Ben unvaccinated people

Doesn’t look like it.

Gets the double vax... still has to go in lock downs and wear mask

It’s JUST as if stripping freedoms from vaccinated people is absolute madness

 

[Footfalcon]

clearly not here for a serious discussion that has effected people’s livelihoods, ability to provide for their family’s and run their business, zero time for humanoid regurgitators

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

clearly not here for a serious discussion that has effected people’s livelihoods, ability to provide for their family’s and run their business, zero time for humanoid regurgitators

Thats a good response to “what freedoms are you talking about?”

You could try to clarify your point, or you could throw your hands up and say “I’ve got no time for this, clearly you’re not here for a serious discussion”.

One of those options is obviously a bit too hard.

 

[Agent93]

The hospital I work in has mandated vaccination for employees by Nov 1. The memo suggests it's statewide for hospital employees.