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Jabso
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Re: Cox On The Rise
Once again I will reiterate my point. My point is that if the list management team (recruiters, football managers, coaches etc.) wanted a ruckman in this draft, and/or wanted to keep Cameron they would of. It never came down to a decision of building a solid ruck group against promoting Cox and/or Toovey. If we really wanted a ruckman we would of picked one instead of Dawes, Asterix, Wellingham, Macaffer even Reid and Brown.
The people who are critical of our ruck stocks should take a more wholesome approach and blame/criticise the people in charge of recruiting's decisions and overall approach/attitude to the ruck stocks RATHER THAN the decision to promote Cox and or Toovey.
Once again I will reiterate my point. My point is that if the list management team (recruiters, football managers, coaches etc.) wanted a ruckman in this draft, and/or wanted to keep Cameron they would of. It never came down to a decision of building a solid ruck group against promoting Cox and/or Toovey. If we really wanted a ruckman we would of picked one instead of Dawes, Asterix, Wellingham, Macaffer even Reid and Brown.
The people who are critical of our ruck stocks should take a more wholesome approach and blame/criticise the people in charge of recruiting's decisions and overall approach/attitude to the ruck stocks RATHER THAN the decision to promote Cox and or Toovey.
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but fraser finished what equal 3 rd or 4th in the copeland this should surely make him a good player in his position as are the players who finished around him in the voting in their respective positions.
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Yeah but keeping Cox or Toovey on the rookie list for an extra year gives us the extra ruckman AND Reid, Brown Dawes etc. Theres no draftees to sacrifice this way. It gives us an extra ready made player, and only one of this years rookies would be unlucky enough to miss out. In theory your rookies should be made up of 50% first year, and 50% second year.
Nobody is bagging Toovey or Cox - but one of them would be just as valuable on the rookie list as on the senior list, especially with Didak out for the first third of the season.
Yeah but keeping Cox or Toovey on the rookie list for an extra year gives us the extra ruckman AND Reid, Brown Dawes etc. Theres no draftees to sacrifice this way. It gives us an extra ready made player, and only one of this years rookies would be unlucky enough to miss out. In theory your rookies should be made up of 50% first year, and 50% second year.
Nobody is bagging Toovey or Cox - but one of them would be just as valuable on the rookie list as on the senior list, especially with Didak out for the first third of the season.
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Oh, I see now. This is a Collingwood boardthread. I didn't realise. They really shouldn't have links to these team boards on the home page bit.
Anyways, it's been grandious, even if you missed the point of my post and I thank you for your insightful reply quoted above. Really shows character.
Good luck in 07.
PS. Don't go to the 'can Collingwood make the finals in 07 thread.' You won't like me very much.
Oh, I see now. This is a Collingwood boardthread. I didn't realise. They really shouldn't have links to these team boards on the home page bit.
Anyways, it's been grandious, even if you missed the point of my post and I thank you for your insightful reply quoted above. Really shows character.
Good luck in 07.
PS. Don't go to the 'can Collingwood make the finals in 07 thread.' You won't like me very much.
Re: Cox On The Rise
Folks are dumb where they come from.
I reckon Taz will have increased the average IQ in the West.
Folks are dumb where they come from.
I reckon Taz will have increased the average IQ in the West.
Re: Cox On The Rise
PS, somehow the first part of my post which you quoted didn’t come out and I can’t be fagged remembered what is said and re writing it. Essentially I rate Fraser as a footballer but not as a tap ruckman and I think we need a tap ruckman to ruck ahead of Fraser rather than support for Fraser. If Guy Richards could be that ruckman then I would be delighted but his injury record makes that unlikely and from what I’ve seen of his ruck work I don’t think he’s good enough anyway. His VFL prelim. final last year was a worry. That said, if he could get and stay fit his whole game would benefit from the regular playing and his ability (or otherwise) would be more evident.
Fraser’s Copeland finishing position would hinge on numerous and if the coach doesn’t value ruckwork I seriously doubt that ruckwork would be an important one of them.
PS, somehow the first part of my post which you quoted didn’t come out and I can’t be fagged remembered what is said and re writing it. Essentially I rate Fraser as a footballer but not as a tap ruckman and I think we need a tap ruckman to ruck ahead of Fraser rather than support for Fraser. If Guy Richards could be that ruckman then I would be delighted but his injury record makes that unlikely and from what I’ve seen of his ruck work I don’t think he’s good enough anyway. His VFL prelim. final last year was a worry. That said, if he could get and stay fit his whole game would benefit from the regular playing and his ability (or otherwise) would be more evident.
Re: Cox On The Rise
I sighted the article at linked at the start of the entire thread which demonstrated that he had.
Then you attempted to belittle me for directing you to information which you were supposedly hoping for.
If that's your standard of character, then forgive me if I don't rate your opinion on someone else's, let alone mine!
You stated that you hoped he had turned it around.
I sighted the article at linked at the start of the entire thread which demonstrated that he had.
Then you attempted to belittle me for directing you to information which you were supposedly hoping for.
If that's your standard of character, then forgive me if I don't rate your opinion on someone else's, let alone mine!
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Hoogs (the guy who did not even know what board he was on) just sent me a PM. It was so funny and childish I thought I'd share it.
Collingwood supporter calling me dumb. Hahaha
Hahahhahahahahahhahaha
Have you any idea how much of a reputation Collingwood has amongst the rest of the footy world. You 'people' are considered to have have half of the intelligence of Bulldog supporters. You're the dumb of the dumb.
My uni degree with a distinction average probably offers more evidence to my brain power than a 'Collingwood' supporter on BF.
My stomach hurts from laughing. Dumb of the dumb? What kind of lame insult is that???
Hoogs (the guy who did not even know what board he was on) just sent me a PM. It was so funny and childish I thought I'd share it.
Collingwood supporter calling me dumb. Hahaha
Hahahhahahahahahhahaha
Have you any idea how much of a reputation Collingwood has amongst the rest of the footy world. You 'people' are considered to have have half of the intelligence of Bulldog supporters. You're the dumb of the dumb.
My uni degree with a distinction average probably offers more evidence to my brain power than a 'Collingwood' supporter on BF.
My stomach hurts from laughing. Dumb of the dumb? What kind of lame insult is that???
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i agree with the coaches on ruck work. look at 2002 and 2003 we were number 1 or 2 in the league in clearences from stoppages and we had stunning steve in the ruck who never got his hand on the ball.but frasers second efforts and play around the ground more than makes up for his short comings in hit outs
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I think we have twice as many dumb supporters compared to the bulldogs but I think we have 4 times as many supporters therefore on average we are twice as smart.
We do have some shockers. But considering there a so few bulldogs supporters out there it is amazing how many ferals they have.
Hoogs (the guy who did not even know what board he was on) just sent me a PM. It was so funny and childish I thought I'd share it.
Collingwood supporter calling me dumb. Hahaha
Hahahhahahahahahhahaha
Have you any idea how much of a reputation Collingwood has amongst the rest of the footy world. You 'people' are considered to have have half of the intelligence of Bulldog supporters. You're the dumb of the dumb.
My uni degree with a distinction average probably offers more evidence to my brain power than a 'Collingwood' supporter on BF.
My stomach hurts from laughing. Dumb of the dumb? What kind of lame insult is that???
I think we have twice as many dumb supporters compared to the bulldogs but I think we have 4 times as many supporters therefore on average we are twice as smart.
We do have some shockers. But considering there a so few bulldogs supporters out there it is amazing how many ferals they have.
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Moreover, having your intelligence questioned by somebody who is actually dumb enough to believe that your intelligence has anything at all to do with which football team you barrack for - Seems unbelievably ridiculous.My stomach hurts from laughing. Dumb of the dumb? What kind of lame insult is that???
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Re: Cox On The Rise
Well I'd post here instead of replying to your posts as a pm, but if I were to write the things that you have, then I would be banned. Don't forget who insulted who first.
Feel free to throw punches at a tied up man, as I'm sure you will.
Enjoy Medhurst.
Hoogs (the guy who did not even know what board he was on) just sent me a PM. It was so funny and childish I thought I'd share it.
Collingwood supporter calling me dumb. Hahaha
Hahahhahahahahahhahaha
Have you any idea how much of a reputation Collingwood has amongst the rest of the footy world. You 'people' are considered to have have half of the intelligence of Bulldog supporters. You're the dumb of the dumb.
My uni degree with a distinction average probably offers more evidence to my brain power than a 'Collingwood' supporter on BF.
My stomach hurts from laughing. Dumb of the dumb? What kind of lame insult is that???
Well I'd post here instead of replying to your posts as a pm, but if I were to write the things that you have, then I would be banned. Don't forget who insulted who first.
Feel free to throw punches at a tied up man, as I'm sure you will.
Enjoy Medhurst.
Re: Cox On The Rise
Good to see you've finally remembered what board you're on. You're a slow learner, but you'll get there in the end.
Good to see you've finally remembered what board you're on. You're a slow learner, but you'll get there in the end.
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I haven't had a problem with forgetting which board I was on.
Why must you resort to insults?
I haven't had a problem with forgetting which board I was on.
Why must you resort to insults?
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If w didn't get Bryan, i would of said Cox would definetly get a game if Fraser got injured, but thats not the case so Bryan is a bit ahead of Cox at the moment so Cox may get a game in a year or 2.
If w didn't get Bryan, i would of said Cox would definetly get a game if Fraser got injured, but thats not the case so Bryan is a bit ahead of Cox at the moment so Cox may get a game in a year or 2.
Jabso
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Re: Screwballs the mad screwy
Cox is not a ruckman. Anyway ONCE AGAIN I will state that if we wanted another ruckmen or two, or wanted to keep C.Cloke we had heaps of opportunities to do so.
Cox is not a ruckman. Anyway ONCE AGAIN I will state that if we wanted another ruckmen or two, or wanted to keep C.Cloke we had heaps of opportunities to do so.
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Nobody is arguing about that, dont know why you keep bringing it up. The question is whether the club was right or wrong to not have an extra ruck on the lists.
Nobody is arguing about that, dont know why you keep bringing it up. The question is whether the club was right or wrong to not have an extra ruck on the lists.
Re: Screwballs the mad screwy
The reason he keeps bringing it up is because it has nothing at all to do with Cox being promoted.
If the Pies were really desperate for an extra ruckman, they could have picked up a rookie ruckman, who could have replaced Cox on the Rookie List.
The reason he keeps bringing it up is because it has nothing at all to do with Cox being promoted.
If the Pies were really desperate for an extra ruckman, they could have picked up a rookie ruckman, who could have replaced Cox on the Rookie List.
Re: Screwballs the mad screwy
A rookie ruckman would not be ready to play this year if needed.
A rookie ruckman would not be ready to play this year if needed.
Re: Screwballs the mad screwy
Rubbish.
A young bloke can play as a second ruckman and play 15 minutes of the game in the ruck to relieve the number one ruckman.
The possibilty of a Rookie ruckman playing this year is roughly the same as a young 'main list' draftee playing this year.
As it is I will guarentee here and now that if required Reid will play a backup ruck role.
Rubbish.
A young bloke can play as a second ruckman and play 15 minutes of the game in the ruck to relieve the number one ruckman.
The possibilty of a Rookie ruckman playing this year is roughly the same as a young 'main list' draftee playing this year.
As it is I will guarentee here and now that if required Reid will play a backup ruck role.
Re: Screwballs the mad screwy
It'll be him or Wakelin, there's not much choice. Anyway I've said my piece, I'm a bit bored with it now. As long as Fraser plays every game its a non issue.
It'll be him or Wakelin, there's not much choice. Anyway I've said my piece, I'm a bit bored with it now. As long as Fraser plays every game its a non issue.
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As long as we don't have two out of Fraser, Richards and Bryan injured at the same time it will be a non-issue.
Even then, Wakelin would be behind Rocca, Cloke and possibly even Reid to get a run in the ruck this year.
I know you say that Rocca can't ruck anymore, and Cloke should be developing as a forward, but it's not like we're proposing them as a first option - They're the 4th and 5th options anyway.
As long as we don't have two out of Fraser, Richards and Bryan injured at the same time it will be a non-issue.
Even then, Wakelin would be behind Rocca, Cloke and possibly even Reid to get a run in the ruck this year.
I know you say that Rocca can't ruck anymore, and Cloke should be developing as a forward, but it's not like we're proposing them as a first option - They're the 4th and 5th options anyway.
