Create an VFL/AFL League without Interstate Teams

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Hawthorn
1986 to 2019 VFL Teams (if South never relocated, and interstate teams never came into the league and created a national league straight from a state league)
Carlton
Collingwood
Essendon
Fitzroy Lions
Footscray
Geelong
Hawthorn
Melbourne
North Melbourne
Richmond
St.Kilda
South Melbourne

What would the VFL (AFL) ladders look like without any of the interstate sides in it??? (Also Fitzroy didn't merge and would have just gone to the VFA)
 
To save the league minus the cash injection of the interstate licences, a rigid enforcement of equalisation rules would have been needed ASAP in 1986. Cant think of any other way of saving such a cash strapped league.
Vic clubs were struggling mid 80’s, so to stave off bankruptcy or mergers, then;
Strict Salary Cap enforcement - especially in recruitment of SA & WA players.
The end to the inequitable Recruitment Zones.
A Draft from Victoria, NSW, Queensland, ACT, NT & Tasmanian based players.
Ground Rationalisation ASAP - maybe games only at MCG, Waverley, Princes Park & Geelong.
Friday & Sat night TV live games under lights at Waverley beginning 1986, until we get the MCG lights up.
No sale of Waverley as we need the ground - so no MCG redevelopment.
Clubs who “raided” interstate at the time likely to be not so dominant- Carlton, Hawthorn.

All up, I just can’t see it working out. A National League happened because it is was inevitable. To hang onto a VFL, with no money in it, would have probably wrecked itself.
 

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To save the league minus the cash injection of the interstate licences, a rigid enforcement of equalisation rules would have been needed ASAP in 1986. Cant think of any other way of saving such a cash strapped league.
Vic clubs were struggling mid 80’s, so to stave off bankruptcy or mergers, then;
Strict Salary Cap enforcement - especially in recruitment of SA & WA players.
The end to the inequitable Recruitment Zones.
A Draft from Victoria, NSW, Queensland, ACT, NT & Tasmanian based players.
Ground Rationalisation ASAP - maybe games only at MCG, Waverley, Princes Park & Geelong.
Friday & Sat night TV live games under lights at Waverley beginning 1986, until we get the MCG lights up.
No sale of Waverley as we need the ground - so no MCG redevelopment.
Clubs who “raided” interstate at the time likely to be not so dominant- Carlton, Hawthorn.

All up, I just can’t see it working out. A National League happened because it is was inevitable. To hang onto a VFL, with no money in it, would have probably wrecked itself.
If that would have happened, why did the S.A.N.F.L , W.A.F.L, T.A.F.L and the Q.A.F.L also the V.F.A became the V.F.L still exists? they couldve done the same thing as the VFL did in 1987 by adding interstate teams too
 
If that would have happened, why did the S.A.N.F.L , W.A.F.L, T.A.F.L and the Q.A.F.L also the V.F.A became the V.F.L still exists? they couldve done the same thing as the VFL did in 1987 by adding interstate teams too
Im guessing because the money being spent on players in those other leagues was only a fraction of the money being spent by VFL clubs, who had already been in a financial arms race between each other for some time.
IE- club A would splurge on a certain player, so in an effort to not be left behind club B was splurge on another player and so on.
The VFL clubs were shipping in interstate talent by the bucket-load also which surely wouldve added to the financial pressure, but at that time I cant imagine clubs in the WAFL and particularly not it Tassie, QLD, NSW were spending big money to import players from outside the state.
In SA the only big spending done was to try and keep top end SA talent staying in SA to play.

Essentially the other comps were humbler and much smaller financially, so they could live within there own means much easier.

Kind of like comparing say the English Premier League to say....the Dutch league or the Polish league. Its much easier to run a viable club in the top division of the Netherlands than it is in England because the financial competitiveness is on a much smaller scale.
 
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Im guessing because the money being spent on players in those other leagues was only a fraction of the money being spent by VFL clubs, who had already been in a financial arms race between each other for some time.
IE- club A would splurge on a certain player, so in an effort to not be left behind club B was splurge on another player and so on.
The VFL clubs were shipping in interstate talent by the bucket-load also which surely wouldve added to the financial pressure, but at that time I cant imagine clubs in the WAFL and particularly not it Tassie, QLD, NSW were spending big money to import players from outside the state.
In SA the only big spending done was to try and keep top end SA talent staying in SA to play.

Essentially the other comps were humbler and much smaller financially, so they could live within there own means much easier.

Kind of like comparing say the English Premier League to say....the Dutch league or the Polish league. Its much easier to run a viable club in the top division of the Netherlands than it is in England because the financial competitiveness is on a much smaller scale.
Im guessing because the money being spent on players in those other leagues was only a fraction of the money being spent by VFL clubs, who had already been in a financial arms race between each other for some time.
IE- club A would splurge on a certain player, so in an effort to not be left behind club B was splurge on another player and so on.
The VFL clubs were shipping in interstate talent by the bucket-load also which surely wouldve added to the financial pressure, but at that time I cant imagine clubs in the WAFL and particularly not it Tassie, QLD, NSW were spending big money to import players from outside the state.
In SA the only big spending done was to try and keep top end SA talent staying in SA to play.

Essentially the other comps were humbler and much smaller financially, so they could live within there own means much easier.

Kind of like comparing say the English Premier League to say....the Dutch league or the Polish league. Its much easier to run a viable club in the top division of the Netherlands than it is in England because the financial competitiveness is on a much smaller scale.
good point
 
One thing which could be done if I am understanding this concept, is to begin by eliminating the scores kicked by West Coast and Brisbane Bears from 1987 to 1990 and see how the ladders end up. For example, in round 1 of 1987, North Melbourne played Brisbane and Richmond played West Coast. If you pretend the two new teams never came into the competition, you could take North's score of 104 vs Brisbane and Richmond's score of 119 vs West Coast and pretend that was the sixth game of the round, meaning Richmond defeated North by 15 points. In round 2, Geelong would play Essendon, with Geelong winning 131 to 119, as per the scores achieved. You could easily make a new fantasy ladder this way, but then how would the finals series pan out? And when it gets to 1991 and there are three interstate teams, you could no longer have these alternate fantasy ladders (as far as I can see).
 

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