Creative changes for next year

[cats2rise]

I would kill to see J.Hunt play on the wing. Imagine his kicks into the F50.

 

[darren forssman]

Cheers.

From the bottom up.

Stokes - Duncan
J Hunt - Taylor Hunt
Ottens - Blake
Milburn - Drum / Menzel
Mooney - No need for the position - West plays 2nd fiddle to Blake in a roaming position.
Ablett - can't be replaced. Hogan as assistant tagger.

to a certain extent i agree.

one of byrnes/stokes has to go.

we still dont know what drum can do and menzel seemed to play the floating forward role quite well.

and relying on blake as first ruck is fraught with danger, as much as relying on ottens.

 

[you pick one]

Why no love for moons at CHF.
Some stats from 2010
Marks
Goodes..177
Cloke..171
Moons..131
Brown..126
J.Rewalt..123
Roughhead..114
Pavlich..111
Franklin..100
Still pretty handy.

 

[bulletproof]

No drastic changes for me, we were the 2nd or 3rd best team last year, so lets not chuck out a succesful system.

The changes I would make are the following:

Kelly as a full time on-baller, starting in the centre square.
Varcoe to the wing full time
Duncan for Stokes
Gillies for Lonergan
Blake (hopefully D Simpson later in year) as first ruck (Ottens as sub)
Mackie as a floater on wing, forward line and backline
Hawkins FF
Chapman to forward line
Taylor Hunt for Josh Hunt

 

[noclashjumpers]

Why no love for moons at CHF.
Some stats from 2010
Marks
Goodes..177
Cloke..171
Moons..131
Brown..126
J.Rewalt..123
Roughhead..114
Pavlich..111
Franklin..100
Still pretty handy.

Because he's stunting the development of Hawkins.

No room for Hawk, Pods & Moons. Oldest needs to go. Stats are neither here nor there.

 

[David the Cat]

I notice no mention of Motlop here. I am sure he will get plenty of opportunities.

Drum
Motlop
T. Hunt
Menzel
Duncan
Simpson

Mark these guys to get plenty of action next year...pace and skill to burn in this lot. Add Mackie and you have 7 changes from the PF side...2 into the backline, ( I would suggest Drum and T Hunt ) 2 into the centre line ( Mackie/Menzel and Duncan/Motlop, 2 into the forward line ( Duncan/Motlop and Mackie/Menzel and one into the ruck( Simpson)....

I think Menzel is a special and T Hunt will be a permanent fixture next year.

And T Varcoe on the ball with Selwood, Bartel and Kelly....

 

[Vdubs]

Cheers.

From the bottom up.

Stokes - Duncan
J Hunt - Taylor Hunt
Ottens - Blake
Milburn - Drum / Menzel
Mooney - No need for the position - West plays 2nd fiddle to Blake in a roaming position.
Ablett - can't be replaced. Hogan as assistant tagger.

Agree with 5/6. T Hunt WILL replace somebody else, hopefully Corey

 

[hamG]

Why no love for moons at CHF.
Some stats from 2010
Marks
Goodes..177
Cloke..171
Moons..131
Brown..126
J.Rewalt..123
Roughhead..114
Pavlich..111
Franklin..100
Still pretty handy.

Oh please, all of those guys are rubbish compared to Joel Bowden.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Play the kids when their form warrants it, drop the old blokes when their form or slow bodies warrant it, and teach Mackie the meaning of the word defence (thank you Scott!).

Positionally West and Daws need to play some games so we can see where they are at...which is fine because Otto has the durability of glass. Blake should not play unless Ottens has a season ending injury.

If THunt keeps as playing as well as he has, he must play, I don't care who the match committee bloody have to shove aside for him. I agree with everyone's calls about Wojo to wing, he is much more valuable for us there than defence.

Gillies and Drum need to push their way in for some games to prepare for a Milburn and Scarlett less backline in the future.

I'd love to see Mitch Duncan have a good pre season and build on his great 2010.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

They're not creative - they're bloody obvious

Bomber missed the memo about the obvious then

 

[Gogeelong]

Lonnergan does make some silly mistakes however he DID cover for Taylor several times when he was beaten and performed MUCH better.

Why do we not ask why Taylor went off the boil in quite a few games. She he be the one under the microscope?

Also Lonners offers as a fantastic back up support and is part of our best line up

 

[Copernicus]

I'm with SJ with regards to Hawk. He has the body of a FF, not a roaming ruckman, CHB or any other experiment. He has the hands and the kicking ability of a FF provided he starts one-grabbing a few more. He just needs to be stuck there, whether it be in the VFL or AFL. That is his natural position, I just cannot ever see him attaining the required fitness to play anywhere else, which is fine.

Definitely need to give blokes like Simpson more of a run in the ones. I don't know that he will ever develop in the 2s, he needs to play against the best. He has the size, and from all accounts a decent amount of ability. We need to have that backup in case Ottens is finished and Blake doesn't improve.

Play T Hunt every game unless he's injured.

I don't mind seeing Mackie or Hunt pinch-hitting up forward. They both have the ability to find the goals, Mackie in particular. Josh played well most of the time in the BP but was exposed in the finals. I think he needs to get some more opportunities elsewhere. Don't think he has the engine for the wing though.

Woj off the wing is a no-brainer surely. He still has the pace, we've all seen that. He could be a key, especially if Taylor Hunt can take his place off half-back.

I don't know what to do about Moons. His body won't cut in the ruck and he just doesn't quite have the size to match it with anybody but the Leigh Browns of the world. Maybe pinch-hit if needed. Might play him in a Ricco-like 'burst' role off the bench playing as a utility.

Good discussion here.

 

[Smarty_]

Lonnergan does make some silly mistakes however he DID cover for Taylor several times when he was beaten and performed MUCH better.

Why do we not ask why Taylor went off the boil in quite a few games. She he be the one under the microscope?

Also Lonners offers as a fantastic back up support and is part of our best line up

Easy. Harry Taylor was All Australian Centre Half Back this year. He was rarely off the boil, whereas Lonners was. He did some good jobs, but in terms of consistency, Lonergan isn't in the same ball park as Harry Taylor.

I really can't understand how someone like Harry Taylor can come under the microscope when he performs at a consistently high level for us.

 

[you pick one]

Easy. Harry Taylor was All Australian Centre Half Back this year. He was rarely off the boil, whereas Lonners was. He did some good jobs, but in terms of consistency, Lonergan isn't in the same ball park as Harry Taylor.

I really can't understand how someone like Harry Taylor can come under the microscope when he performs at a consistently high level for us.

Agree with everything you have said in the first paragraph.
To address your second paragraph I'd say if Harry was 3or4cm taller and another 10kgs Lonners wouldn't of got another contract.But the facts are Harry can be monstered by the gorillas like Cloke,Brown,and Franklin types, at this stage of his careerer,nothing to be ashamed of there.
But that's the flaw in the diamond at present.

 

[Smarty_]

Agree with everything you have said in the first paragraph.
To address your second paragraph I'd say if Harry was 3or4cm taller and another 10kgs Lonners wouldn't of got another contract.But the facts are Harry can be monstered by the gorillas like Cloke,Brown,and Franklin types, at this stage of his careerer,nothing to be ashamed of there.
But that's the flaw in the diamond at present.

Yep, I agree with that. Hopefully he can put on a few more Kilo's and not get monstered by people such as Brown. But he's still pretty young, 24 I think, so I reckon it's an area he'll definitely improve on.

I just worry that when Scarlo goes, Lonergan's job is going to get harder and I can't see him succeeding in being our second tall. I hope he proves me wrong though and I do like his commitment and great attitude. He always tries his heart out and I really admire that

 

[you pick one]

Because he's stunting the development of Hawkins.
To quote John Mcenroe [you can't be serious man]

 

[Gaz_Brownlow]

I'm with SJ with regards to Hawk. He has the body of a FF, not a roaming ruckman, CHB or any other experiment. He has the hands and the kicking ability of a FF provided he starts one-grabbing a few more. He just needs to be stuck there, whether it be in the VFL or AFL. That is his natural position, I just cannot ever see him attaining the required fitness to play anywhere else, which is fine.

Definitely need to give blokes like Simpson more of a run in the ones. I don't know that he will ever develop in the 2s, he needs to play against the best. He has the size, and from all accounts a decent amount of ability. We need to have that backup in case Ottens is finished and Blake doesn't improve.

Play T Hunt every game unless he's injured.

I don't mind seeing Mackie or Hunt pinch-hitting up forward. They both have the ability to find the goals, Mackie in particular. Josh played well most of the time in the BP but was exposed in the finals. I think he needs to get some more opportunities elsewhere. Don't think he has the engine for the wing though.

Woj off the wing is a no-brainer surely. He still has the pace, we've all seen that. He could be a key, especially if Taylor Hunt can take his place off half-back.

I don't know what to do about Moons. His body won't cut in the ruck and he just doesn't quite have the size to match it with anybody but the Leigh Browns of the world. Maybe pinch-hit if needed. Might play him in a Ricco-like 'burst' role off the bench playing as a utility.

Good discussion here.

Think tactically we just need to adjust our plan more so than any radical player rotations. Taylor Hunt certainly needs game time, as too does Menzel, Brown, Christensen, Duncan and Motlop.

I can still see Trent West falling into a gameplan, he is our version of a Leigh Brown - except more highly skilled. Both him and Dawson will see gametime this year ahead of Blake. Hard to imagine Scott favouring Blake given the fact that he is a reknowned hard man.

The forward structure will get a shake-up....can't imagine Scott persevering with Hawkins in a mobile ruck. I would say that Hawkins and Pods will rotate through the key posts with Mooney playing a more roaming role as a marking third tall. Defensive pressure and zoning is all the rage and i can't see this differing too much from scott's approach - Byrnes, Stokes, Menzel, Brown, Duncan and Motlop will be vital to making our structures and press work. Hopefully Scott has the hard edge about his defensive aggression because a few of our boys could do with a bit harder edge when talking defensive pressure.

All in all, pretty exciting to see this team next year. We certainly have a lot of upside with a host of stars from the premiership glories and a bunch of kids. No Ablett is obviously going to be the cream that we require, but i am still confident we can challenge for the premiership, it will just be on the back of tighter gameplay.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Because he's stunting the development of Hawkins.

No room for Hawk, Pods & Moons. Oldest needs to go. Stats are neither here nor there.

Exactly...three talls was borderline too many, and with the new ruck rule, we will have to play one of West/Simpson forward (unless we play Hawkins as a ruckman, please no ), which would mean 4 talls, which is definitely too many. Hence one of the tall forwards needs to make way, and it should be Mooney unless Hawkins form drops off horribly. Mooney has to be VFL and purely depth for insurance. It's got nothing to do with his stats, it's purely about how many talls is the limit we can fit into the 22.

 

[Gaz_Brownlow]

Exactly...three talls was borderline too many, and with the new ruck rule, we will have to play one of West/Simpson forward (unless we play Hawkins as a ruckman, please no ), which would mean 4 talls, which is definitely too many. Hence one of the tall forwards needs to make way, and it should be Mooney unless Hawkins form drops off horribly. Mooney has to be VFL and purely depth for insurance. It's got nothing to do with his stats, it's purely about how many talls is the limit we can fit into the 22.

Lets not be too hasty here....remember Collingwood pretty much played 3 and even 4 talls permanently forward this year. Also, the game might just slow down a bit with reduced interchanges...we could be looking at some minor game style changes in which case Talls might be more effective.

 

[David the Cat]

I might be the odd one out here, but I have no doubt Mooney will play next year.

More to the team that just a player in my eyes....

 

[you pick one]

I might be the odd one out here, but I have no doubt Mooney will play next year.

More to the team that just a player in my eyes....

Spot on still the spiritual leader,and the glue that holds the forward line together.Hawkins hopefully will take over CHF in the future but would have to improve out of sight to take it of Moons next year.
Footballers are competitive individuals,Moons is never going to give up his spot to Hawkins voluntarily to help Tom's development,ego bank balance or anything else.It's up to him to rip it of Mooney and when he can he'll be better prepared for the for the toughest job in footy C.H.F.

 

[Smarty_]

Spot on still the spiritual leader,and the glue that holds the forward line together.Hawkins hopefully will take over CHF in the future but would have to improve out of sight to take it of Moons next year.
Footballers are competitive individuals,Moons is never going to give up his spot to Hawkins voluntarily to help Tom's development,ego bank balance or anything else.It's up to him to rip it of Mooney and when he can he'll be better prepared for the for the toughest job in footy C.H.F.

Great point

 

[tomthabuddah]

Does anyone else think Josh Hunt could play the Max Rooke defensive forward role? He has the ability to lock onto an attacking half back flanker eg Heath Shaw and could really do some damage on the score board.

Also Travie V to sweep off half back and push through midfield.

Trent West to be backed in as our second ruck. The boy can play, ive been backing him for a few years now, and think its time for Scott to say Trent, your playing games 1-10, make this position yours. If this guy gets some confidence, he will stick it up this board.

 

[Cataholic]

Does anyone else think Josh Hunt could play the Max Rooke defensive forward role? He has the ability to lock onto an attacking half back flanker eg Heath Shaw and could really do some damage on the score board.

Also Travie V to sweep off half back and push through midfield.

Trent West to be backed in as our second ruck. The boy can play, ive been backing him for a few years now, and think its time for Scott to say Trent, your playing games 1-10, make this position yours. If this guy gets some confidence, he will stick it up this board.

I do! I mentioned the same idea in the 'Creative Ideas' thread.......

He could play the wrecking ball role up front, creating doubt and spillages by the opposing backs, and with his precise kicking, he could hit up Pods and Hawkins on the lead.

The only query I would have is whether his decision making is quick enough to counter the backs pressure.

But I think it's worth a try.

EDIT: umm, this IS the 'Creative Ideas' thread!! Should've said, I raised this idea earlier.........

 

[thejester]

Easy. Harry Taylor was All Australian Centre Half Back this year. He was rarely off the boil, whereas Lonners was. He did some good jobs, but in terms of consistency, Lonergan isn't in the same ball park as Harry Taylor.

I really can't understand how someone like Harry Taylor can come under the microscope when he performs at a consistently high level for us.

By any reasonable measure AA selection is a fairly dubious bit of evidence and even more so in a position as lightly contested as CHB. What puts Taylor ahead of Lonergan is his disposal and decision making coming out of defence; as actual stoppers I think Lonergan had a better season, more than once he had to be moved onto Taylor's man because Harry wasn't getting the job done. At the very least it's hard to remember games where Lonergan's opponent obviously had the better of him that weren't ridiculously lopsided anyway.