Cricket Discussion - Part 1

[Greasyrhys]

Looking like another draw at this rate.

 

[philreich]

Looking like another draw at this rate.

I'm not so sure. The Poms have already bowled more than 150 overs, and they're predicting 40C in Sydney tomorrow, so the visitors will be well be well and truly buggered by the time Smith declares after lunch tomorrow.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

 

[raptalia]

Australia could not lose it from here. Anything over 200 in front by luchtime today will force England to bat five sessions to save the Test. The pitch is taking spin and Steve Smith might fancy his chances and have a few overs himself. in 1989 Alan Border had a casual bowl against the Windies in Sydney and finished up taking 7/46.

 

[raptalia]

The great thing about Kerry O'Keffe is that KG Cunningham hates his guts. On that basis alone he cannot be all bad. Oh, and that frog joke...

 

[mic59]

The great thing about Kerry O'Keffe is that KG Cunningham hates his guts. On that basis alone he cannot be all bad. Oh, and that frog joke...

I'll pay that.

 

[Greasyrhys]

I’d declare once MMarsh either gets out or a century.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Good story in the Oz yesterday about how the Andrew Hilditch led selection panel picked a whole lot of kids in 2009-2011 for both Tests and ODI's when we were struggling against England, India and South Africa at Test cricket and ODI's, but beating or drawing with everyone else, the selectors were bagged CA commissions the Argus report which recommends big changes and Hilditch decides not to reapply for chairman of selectors job.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...p/news-story/82a926c78e84a7f5fb12666429dca922

The Australian selectors have been roundly praised for masterminding the return of the Ashes. And rightly so. Picking Tim Paine and Shaun Marsh were courageous calls, minister. “Do you think that’s wise, sir?” Dad’s Army’s Sergeant Wilson might have counselled Trevor Hohns on parachuting Paine into the XI. Wise? Inspired, more like. Yesterday Paine went past Brad Haddin’s 22 dismissals for an Ashes series on home soil (set in 2013-14). He’s made handy runs at No 7 but more importantly, he’s gloved the ball beautifully. And spared the threat of the moving new ball at the top of the innings, Marsh has been Australia’s bulwark in the middle order. The selectors were pilloried at the start of the summer: now they should be praised in equal measure. Paine’s elevation is possibly the greatest Australian selection since Steve Smith made his debut in 2010.

Which brings us to a pertinent point. The selectors are riding high and can take full credit for the emphatic retention of the Ashes, such has been the impact of Paine and the elder Marsh. But they can’t take credit for the XI as a whole. Barring Mitchell Marsh and Cameron Bancroft, the whole team was first picked by the Andrew Hilditch selection panel. The James Sutherland-led regime loves to talk about new eras, injections of youth and suchlike, but the bulk of this team debuted seven years ago.

It followed Hilditch and Jamie Cox resigning — or not reapplying in Hilditch’s case — after the Argus review to allow their successors to chart their own path. However, the path has wound its way back to circa 2011. Because the sum total of Test stars unearthed since that time is … zero. David Warner perhaps qualifies as a post-Hilditch pick, given he was handed his Test cap in the first team selected by John Inverarity’s panel in 2011. But Warner had been in the one-day and T20 XI for almost two years before that. The old, often maligned, panel is also responsible for elevating the youngest player in the current XI, Pat Cummins. Mitchell Starc, James Pattinson (then both 20) and Josh Hazlewood (19) played one-dayers during the Hilditch years but all three were on the cusp of Test careers. Perhaps the old panel’s greatest success — other than picking the captain of course — is Nathan Lyon, catapulted into the Test side on the recommendation of Kim Hughes and Darren Berry. So the previous panel is responsible for Australia’s greatest offspinner and its best batsman since Bradman.

It’s not that the various panels under Inverarity, Rod Marsh and now Trevor Hohns haven’t reached for the sky.Their faith in Mitchell Marsh was repaid in Perth before the batsman disbursed a bonus dividend in Melbourne.

They speculated with Ashton Agar. They dabbled with Alex Doolan. They gambled on Joe Burns. And last summer they introduced Matt Renshaw, Peter Handscomb and Nic Maddinson for the third Test against South Africa. When Australia won that match, all the talk was about a new golden era.But all three are gone, and the selectors’ latest batting pick, Cameron Bancroft, appears headed for the same fate.........

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...p/news-story/82a926c78e84a7f5fb12666429dca922

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Bancroft getting a duck and the team making plenty of runs had me thinking of what's the highest score when an opener has made a duck. I thought of Les Favell making a duck in 1954-55 series against Windies, Arthur Morris a handful and then 5 blokes made a century (to be one of only two test innings where this occurred - other one is Pakistan in 2001). Les regularly talked about how dirty he and Arthur were about missing out. The Windies batted first and made 357. It was the 5th test Australia were 2-0 up and the Windies batted first and made 357.

http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Matches/MatchScorecard.asp?MatchCode=0407
Start Date: 11th June, 1955 Venue: Sabina Park, Kingston, Jamaica Toss: West Indies
Result: Australia won by an innings and 82 runs


That is the 8th highest score in test cricket and 3rd highest at the time in 1955. The only one of those 7 other higher scores that someone made a duck was in 1938 at the Oval when Len Hutton made a then world record 364. Eddie Paynter made a duck and Denis Compton made 1, but 550 was already on the board. Bradman and opening bat Jack Fingelton were injured and didn't bat in the game and Australia made 201 and 123 and lost by a still record Innings and 579 runs and squared the series. This was the highest Test score until Sri Lanka made 6/952 against India and Colombo in 1997.

http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Matches/MatchScorecard.asp?MatchCode=0266&Print=N



Below is probably the only scorecard in Test cricket where the openers made ducks but the team made 500+. But there is a catch.

In the 1936-37 Ashes series England made Gubby Allen captain, who refused to bowl bodyline 4 years early. The Poms won the first 2 tests, easily by 300+ runs and then an innings and a Test side never beforehad never won a series from being 0-2 down. It hasn't happened in a Test series since. They also were Bradman's first 2 tests as captain and people questioned whether he was the right man for the job.

But nobody else has had a Bradman play for them. In the 3rd test Australia batted first, but rain intervened late on day 1 and it rained overnight. Australia declared 9/200 and in those days of no covers for wickets the poms only made 77 being caught on a sticky wicket. Australia decided to reverse its batting order and let the bowlers bat first on the sticky wicket so as it dried out the batsmen would get the best of the wicket. Bradman made 270 and Australia won by 365 runs, then in the next two tests Bradman makes 212 and 169 and Oz win both these tests, the series and retain the ashes. Bradman only captained Australia to one more loss in his test career.

http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Matches/MatchScorecard.asp?MatchCode=0257&Print=N
Start Date: 1st January, 1937 Venue: Melbourne Cricket Ground, Melbourne Toss: Australia
Result: Australia won by 365 runs

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

BBC produced a half hour special on the Baggy Green cap that the ABC played during lunch time today. Gideon Haigh gives a good history of it going back to 1899 tour of England but it wasn't until Mark Taylor and Steve Waugh who made it a bit of a mythical thing, the latter in particular. He talks about how Cricket Australia wanted to use it as its popularity under Waugh took off, but they didn't have ownership of the trademark so they went about acquiring it so they could set up the Baggy Green website and brand. Miller, Benaud, Harvey Davidson and others played, especially batted without caps playing bare headed. Ian Chappell talks about he just sees it as $10 piece of cloth and didn't need a cap to prove what he had done.

It was Mark Taylor who received his in a box along with a couple of track suits and shirts with sponsors name and series name, ie as part of his kit, started off as captain making presentations, starting off with his first test series as captain in 1994 in Pakistan and they had 3 debutantes, Bevan, Fleming and Emery. So he introduced the idea of having a little moment in saying congratulations and here is your cap. Waugh took it the next step that a great player from the past making the presentation. Haigh talks about how Waugh was self absorbed and insistently inwardly focused and intensely superstitious cricketer. Talks about Waugh playing for Australia B team and received a fully fledged cap and that alerted him to it had given out freely. It was Waugh who created the scarcity idea of only having 1 cap at a time and you wear it out and only have that cap unless you lost yours or it was stolen.

Justin Langer starts off talking about his response to a Michael Atherton article saying its all a myth and its all a road of rubbish. Its like telling an Aussie kid there is no father Christmas. Talks about how its a symbol of the aspirational nature of playing for your country.

One thing Haigh left out was that the colours came from SA administrator Mostyn Evan wanting to find a colour different to the Sky Blue of NSW and Navy Blue of Victoria. He talks about the Australian team wearing a red and blue cap of the Melbourne Cricket Club as they financially supported the Australian team both at home and on tours of England and it was there way of thanking them for the help.

 

[Greasyrhys]

Could this game be all over tonight?!?

 

[LFC2010]

Could this game be all over tonight?!?

It could be if Lyon gets on a roll and gets into the tail early.

 

[Hellgood]

Good story in the Oz yesterday about how the Andrew Hilditch led selection panel picked a whole lot of kids in 2009-2011 for both Tests and ODI's when we were struggling against England, India and South Africa at Test cricket and ODI's, but beating or drawing with everyone else, the selectors were bagged CA commissions the Argus report which recommends big changes and Hilditch decides not to reapply for chairman of selectors job.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...p/news-story/82a926c78e84a7f5fb12666429dca922

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...p/news-story/82a926c78e84a7f5fb12666429dca922


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It's an interesting one, Hilditch was a pretty terrible communicator and made a meal of public relations during his time in the role but unquestionably oversaw some very talented and now successful cricketers introduction to test cricket. Some of the selections he presided over and attempted to justify were Jackie Chan WTF level, but it's a bloody tough role and it's one of those jobs where everyone thinks they can do better!

 

[raptalia]

Judging from his first two overs I doubt that Steve Smith is going to emulate AB's 1989 match winning effort.

Good tactics from Smith though. He kept the Poms out in the 40 deg heat for a little longer then had a one hour and two hour spell at them. It hit 47deg out in the west near Penrith. Sydney will be 33 tomorrow with a chance of a shower which means the Aussies will have a pleasant day in the field.

This short hot spell has been one of the most widespread in memory as Adelaide, Melbourne, Sydney, Canberra and all points in between have all copped it.

 

[raptalia]

It's an interesting one, Hilditch was a pretty terrible communicator and made a meal of public relations during his time in the role but unquestionably oversaw some very talented and now successful cricketers introduction to test cricket. Some of the selections he presided over and attempted to justify were Jackie Chan WTF level, but it's a bloody tough role and it's one of those jobs where everyone thinks they can do better!

Andrew Hilditch is Bobby Simpson's son in law and part of the cricket establishment whereas a couple of his fellow selectors were not.

You are right. I thought I could do better at the start of this series and would not have picked Shaun Marsh, Tim Paine or Mitchell Marsh. These guys have all met the challenge and proved me wrong. All power to the selectors this time around. About the only thing they got wrong was picking Jackson Bird who bowls fast and straight, a little too straight.

 

[Hellgood]

Andrew Hilditch is Bobby Simpson's son in law and part of the cricket establishment whereas a couple of his fellow selectors were not.

You are right. I thought I could do better at the start of this series and would not have picked Shaun Marsh, Tim Paine or Mitchell Marsh. These guys have all met the challenge and proved me wrong. All power to the selectors this time around. About the only thing they got wrong was picking Jackson Bird who bowls fast and straight, a little too straight.

Interesting that the two selections that seemed the most obvious in Bancroft and Bird were the ones who have struggled the most.

Both though I think have a role to play in the test side in the future.

 

[mic59]

Strikers have defended yet another small total. The bowler who has previously been our most miserly, Ben Laughlin, gave them a chance by conceding 23 runs in the 18th over but once only 2 runs had come from the first 2 balls of the 19th over and then Rohrer got out that was it. Green got a six but the bowlers weren't going to score the 34 runs needed from 9 balls.
Rashid Khan got player of the match with 2/21 off 4 overs(after 10 off his first over) and 16 of 6 balls.

Strikers are back on top, run-rate only ahead of the Renegades, Scorchers and Heat although the Heat have played one more game.
The Scorchers play the Renegades tomorrow so one of them will be top albeit they will have played one more game than us and we will have the chance to go back to the top when we play the Stars at AO on Tuesday.

 

[Hellgood]

Ingram showing his value again, looked a class above again last night!

Have been very impressed with how well Siddle has bowled this summer for someone never considered a T20 or even an overly smart bowler. I actually was only able to catch up until Buttler's dismissal but after the start he and Patterson had provided had just assumed it should be reasonably straightforward for the Thunder to keep their good work going and chase the apparently achievable total down.Then again perhaps I shouln't have been surprised given how weak their middle to lower order looks on paper.

 

[Greasyrhys]

Root has gone to hospital with dehydration, & isn’t out in the middle. Hope he pulls through.

Edit: he’s arrived back at the ground.

 

[mic59]

T20 is really a game of if's. If Ingram had just hit that six an extra few inches, if the Thunder had started their run a bit earlier, if the early batsmen(any innings with a close loss) had only had 25 dots instead of 30 in the middle 10 overs. With all this it is surprising how often the better team wins.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Root has gone to hospital with dehydration, & isn’t out in the middle. Hope he pulls through.

Edit: he’s arrived back at the ground.

Updated
http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/21996114/joe-root-taken-hospital-gastroenteritis
Root succumbed to bouts of diarrhoea and vomiting overnight, and did not arrive at the ground until after the start of play. It was later announced by the ECB that Root was suffering from a viral gastroenteritis bug, rather than the effects of heat exhaustion.

Continued in part 2 - https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/cricket-discussion-part-2.1184789/