Opinion Cricket thread

[spurs]

I get what you are saying but don't necessarily agree with the Hayden thing. You would think that given Warner has less batting depth to protecr that he may be somewhat less cavalier than Hayden IE placing greater value on his wicket, but given his test strike rate is 77 and Haydos was 60 it does not appear to be the case.

My position on Warner is that he could become a great if he pulled his head in a bit, especially early in his innings. Warner has been out for less than 10 runs in 25 or his 104 innings. Hayden was out for less than 10 runs in 24 of his 184.

You are really starting to piss me off B Tron!

First, I agree with nearly every post you make about footy, and now cricket. Where do you get off mate?

 

[GarnerSmash]

Mate, i dont think anyone is saying the shot he played in the first innings was a good one, but sometimes you just go out to shit shots. Thats cricket.

A few in here are forgetting his 123* in Bellerive. Absolute cracker of an innings against the grain on a moving deck. His 2 tons(1 in each innings) in Newlands and his 124 in Brisbane to put England away.

We have few positives in test cricket atm, they are:

Warner
Smith
Hazelwood
Starc

No doubt he is a gun. But he is VC and could be better than what he is.

 

[GarnerSmash]

You are really starting to piss me off B Tron!

First, I agree with nearly every post you make about footy, and now cricket. Where do you get off mate?

I always liked you spurs.

 

[big_e]

Batting in test cricket is about more than scoring runs, it's also about occupying the crease, particularly as an opener. Which brings me to this stat - average number of balls faced per innings:

David Warner: 60.2
Tamim Iqbal: 71.8
Dean Elgar: 74.6
Gautam Gambhir: 77.6
Kraigg Braithwaite: 80.7
Murali Vijay: 87.0
Sami Aslam: 89.6
Alistair Cook: 93.9
Azhar Ali: 101.7

So if you assume that a batsman gets half the strike, then Warner is on average, out in less than a session. That's a serious failing on the part of an opener.

 

[archereleven]

I get what you are saying but don't necessarily agree with the Hayden thing. You would think that given Warner has less batting depth to protecr that he may be somewhat less cavalier than Hayden IE placing greater value on his wicket, but given his test strike rate is 77 and Haydos was 60 it does not appear to be the case.

My position on Warner is that he could become a great if he pulled his head in a bit, especially early in his innings. Warner has been out for less than 10 runs in 25 or his 104 innings. Hayden was out for less than 10 runs in 24 of his 184.

Hayden is statistically one of the best openers(imo the best) in Australian history and Warner is well on the way to world class figures himself.

All he needs to do is find that sweet spot between himself and Geoffrey Boycott lol at the start of his innings. Take 40-50 balls to get to 20 and then launch, something he doesnt do enough. Is generally a very good 'leaver' of the ball on length and to be fair to him, he did pull his head in in the 2nd innings in Hobart only to be out unconventionally.

Amazing how many unconventional wickets happen when the team is getting pumped ie. Warner/Ferguson and how many DRS decisions, great catches and non nicks the team full of confidence gets.

Cricket- the great leveller.

 

[archereleven]

Batting in test cricket is about more than scoring runs, it's also about occupying the crease, particularly as an opener. Which brings me to this stat - average number of balls faced per innings:

David Warner: 60.2
Tamim Iqbal: 71.8
Dean Elgar: 74.6
Gautam Gambhir: 77.6
Kraigg Braithwaite: 80.7
Murali Vijay: 87.0
Sami Aslam: 89.6
Alistair Cook: 93.9
Azhar Ali: 101.7

So if you assume that a batsman gets half the strike, then Warner is on average, out in less than a session. That's a serious failing on the part of an opener.

A lot of flack for bloke averaging almost 50 as an opener?

Get rid of?

This table is from 1 year ago:

 

[giantroo]

BREAKING: Rod Marsh has stood down as Australian cricket's chairman of selectors, effective immediately. #AUSvSA

 

[Le Grille]

Good, take Howard and Sutherland with you.


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[Vaple]

Good, take Howard and Sutherland with you.


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And Mitch aswell.

 

[big_e]

A lot of flack for bloke averaging almost 50 as an opener?

Get rid of?

This table is from 1 year ago:

I didn't say we should drop him, in fact earlier in the thread he was in my XI for the rest of the series. I said it is a serious failing.

The job of an opener is also to see off the new ball and make things easier for the batsmen to follow. Think of it this way, if you were the bowling captain and you had one opener out before drinks in the first session, would you really care how much they had made?

I was always a bit of a hater of Warner, for his floggish tendencies. But the bloke has matured off the field in recent years. He just needs to take that same mature attitude to his batting and recognise that playing your natural game isn't always in the best interest of the team.

 

[archereleven]

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Yep 100% agree on this! Howard has done SFA imo

 

[Harris 10]

BREAKING: Rod Marsh has stood down as Australian cricket's chairman of selectors, effective immediately. #AUSvSA

I think he might've stepped down about 6 months ago but forgot to tell everybody.

 

[Le Grille]

I think he might've stepped down about 6 months ago but forgot to tell everybody.

That statement re: why Mennie was in for Bird was starting to point to plot loss

 

[Le Grille]

I didn't say we should drop him, in fact earlier in the thread he was in my XI for the rest of the series. I said it is a serious failing.

The job of an opener is also to see off the new ball and make things easier for the batsmen to follow. Think of it this way, if you were the bowling captain and you had one opener out before drinks in the first session, would you really care how much they had made?

I was always a bit of a hater of Warner, for his floggish tendencies. But the bloke has matured off the field in recent years. He just needs to take that same mature attitude to his batting and recognise that playing your natural game isn't always in the best interest of the team.

archereleven this was what I was getting at re: warner.

 

[Nate7]

That statement re: why Mennie was in for Bird was starting to point to plot loss

And the shit he said about Usman prior to the test was bizarre!

 

[archereleven]

I didn't say we should drop him, in fact earlier in the thread he was in my XI for the rest of the series. I said it is a serious failing.

The job of an opener is also to see off the new ball and make things easier for the batsmen to follow. Think of it this way, if you were the bowling captain and you had one opener out before drinks in the first session, would you really care how much they had made?

I was always a bit of a hater of Warner, for his floggish tendencies. But the bloke has matured off the field in recent years. He just needs to take that same mature attitude to his batting and recognise that playing your natural game isn't always in the best interest of the team.

I didnt imply you wanted him dropped, i just asked a futile question as its clear we have no one better.

I know what the job of an opener is, and yes i agree he could face more balls but its his attacking game that has cemented him in the team and i wouldnt be curbing it as a coach. Ive always thought Dave Warner should be our #3 and still think that.

If im an opposition captain and he is still in after drinks, my first thought is that he will go on to convert a test 100(conversion rate great) at speed and inflict a fair bit of damage to my bowlers in the process. If he is out cheaply, then id think we could knock the Aussies over for sub 150.

When is the onus going to be put on the pillocks coming in after him and doing their jobs?

 

[Le Grille]

I didnt imply you wanted him dropped, i just asked a futile question as its clear we have no one better.

I know what the job of an opener is, and yes i agree he could face more balls but its his attacking game that has cemented him in the team and i wouldnt be curbing it as a coach. Ive always thought Dave Warner should be our #3 and still think that.

If im an opposition captain and he is still in after drinks, my first thought is that he will go on to convert a test 100(conversion rate great) at speed and inflict a fair bit of damage to my bowlers in the process. If he is out cheaply, then id think we could knock the Aussies over for sub 150.

When is the onus going to be put on the pillocks coming in after him and doing their jobs?

It would be interesting to see the amount of times losing an opener within the first 5 overs leads to multiple wickets falling by the tenth over

 

[archereleven]

archereleven this was what I was getting at re: warner.

I know what you were saying and i agree with it partly, but he is a lock now and will be for years to come imo.

If you look at that table i posted, look at how fantastic the Warner/Bucky opening combo was

Bucky faced the brunt of the balls and Warner scored faster than anyone in world cricket.

This is the key to having a Warner type open the batting.

 

[archereleven]

It would be interesting to see the amount of times losing an opener within the first 5 overs leads to multiple wickets falling by the tenth over

In this current team, probably 80% lol

When you had R.Ponting, M.Clarke, M. Hussey, A. Gilchrist probably >20%

 

[big_e]

I didnt imply you wanted him dropped, i just asked a futile question as its clear we have no one better.

I know what the job of an opener is, and yes i agree he could face more balls but its his attacking game that has cemented him in the team and i wouldnt be curbing it as a coach. Ive always thought Dave Warner should be our #3 and still think that.

If im an opposition captain and he is still in after drinks, my first thought is that he will go on to convert a test 100(conversion rate great) at speed and inflict a fair bit of damage to my bowlers in the process. If he is out cheaply, then id think we could knock the Aussies over for sub 150.

When is the onus going to be put on the pillocks coming in after him and doing their jobs?

Can't argue with your last point. Speaking of which, imagine Warner coming in at six after Hayden, Langer, Ponting, et al. Would have averaged 60 without even trying.

 

[Le Grille]

I know what you were saying and i agree with it partly, but he is a lock now and will be for years to come imo.

If you look at that table i posted, look at how fantastic the Warner/Bucky opening combo was

Bucky faced the brunt of the balls and Warner scored faster than anyone in world cricket.

This is the key to having a Warner type open the batting.

Yep agree that the Warner/Rogers combo worked well but the fact that Rogers is no longer there and you had a jittery Burns playing for his immediate career needs to be considered. A test opener needs to be adaptable and that point needs to be made to Warner in no uncertain terms.

 

[Le Grille]

In this current team, probably 80% lol

When you had R.Ponting, M.Clarke, M. Hussey, A. Gilchrist probably >20%

Very true, but I was thinking in world cricket in general.

 

[gokangas]

Marsh gone - good.

 

[muttley45]

I wouldn't complain if Mike Hussey was made Chairman of Selectors, Mr Cricket in charge of Cricket.

 

[Samsquanch]

And the shit he said about Usman prior to the test was bizarre!

Sorry to say that bypassed me. What was said?