Opinion Cricket thread

[Hearts to hearts]

Have to laugh at the excitement in England. It’s like kicking a great goal before half time to level the game - you’d celebrate, but not like knighthoods should be handed out. I guess when you give out CBEs for winning one home series after being rubbish for 16 years it comes with the turf.

Also, two days earlier the consensus was that the whole team and staff should be given the boot, so I assume the UK media will act as though everyone has forgiven and forgotten that.

 

[KiwiRoo]

Have to laugh at the excitement in England. It’s like kicking a great goal before half time to level the game - you’d celebrate, but not like knighthoods should be handed out. I guess when you give out CBEs for winning one home series after being rubbish for 16 years it comes with the turf.

Also, two days earlier the consensus was that the whole team and staff should be given the boot, so I assume the UK media will act as though everyone has forgiven and forgotten that.

their rugby players did a victory lap of the stadium when they drew with us at rugby
Like what part of draw and victory do you not understand !??

you dont get a certificate for most improved at international level......if you want to do a victory lap..win the friggin game !

 

[Twinkletoes]

i agree with Khawaja..but Starc's hardly bowled the last few weeks and he strikes me as someone who needs the work to be at his best

As one commentator put it this morning - "I just cannot accept that Australia would leave a bowler of Starc's quality in the shed now The Ashes are on the line."

"We'll never ever know if we never ever (give him a) go!" as a once famous WAG put it long ago.

 

[toepoker]

One thing I know Starc's good at is cleaning up the tail

 

[Hojuman]

One thing I know Starc's good at is cleaning up the tail

Can see 3 changes.
Smith in / Uzzy out
Starc in / Pattinson out
1 more ?

 

[SpiderBurton22]

Can see 3 changes.
Smith in / Uzzy out
Starc in / Pattinson out
1 more ?

Nah, we haven't got any other bastnen in the squad, other than Bancroft.

 

[Twinkletoes]

Can see 3 changes.
Smith in / Uzzy out
Starc in / Pattinson out
1 more ?

Well, that heads towards "elephant in the room" territory...........Wade or Paine would be next in the gun and one's the captain.

 

[toepoker]

Yeah, 2 changes I reckon. I'm still not sure why we left Kurtis Patterson at home.
Khawaja continually disappoints me. 12 months since he played an innings of substance, and keeps getting out in lazy ways.

 

[Hojuman]

Nah, we haven't got any other bastnen in the squad, other than Bancroft.

Warner
Harris
Smith
Labushagne
Head
Wade
Paine
Cummins
Starc
Hazelwood
Lyon

 

[KiwiRoo]

As one commentator put it this morning - "I just cannot accept that Australia would leave a bowler of Starc's quality in the shed now The Ashes are on the line."

"We'll never ever know if we never ever (give him a) go!" as a once famous WAG put it long ago.

I called my wife a WAG once. That didn't end well...

I can understand the need for changes, but the same Aussie attack bowled the poms out for 67 in the first dig.
be a bloody tough call to drop a batsmen who got 150 in the first dig , but a duck in the second. So i think the bowlers should get another crack

 

[Hojuman]

I called my wife a WAG once. That didn't end well...

I can understand the need for changes, but the same Aussie attack bowled the poms out for 67 in the first dig.
be a bloody tough call to drop a batsmen who got 150 in the first dig , but a duck in the second. So i think the bowlers should get another crack

But had 9 fer in the 2nd and couldn't get it done. Starc will be champing at the bit. You're partly to blame anyway Kiwi, sorry. Couldn't Stokes have played union or something over there ? Who the hell put a bat in his hand ?

 

[Twinkletoes]

I can understand the need for changes, but the same Aussie attack bowled the poms out for 67 in the first dig.
be a bloody tough call to drop a batsmen who got 150 in the first dig , but a duck in the second. So i think the bowlers should get another crack

The more batting friendly pitch conditions led to them growing more and more comfortable, and us more and more desperate as time moved along. Pattinson, Hazlewood and Cummins all being right arm over similarly paced bowlers has a sameness to it, as well as they've performed. Old Trafford is renowned for reverse swing coming into play as the ball wears away too and that plays into Starc's wheelhouse (TM David King).

As said above, the county game will tell us more.

 

[SpiderBurton22]

Well, that heads towards "elephant in the room" territory...........Wade or Paine would be next in the gun and one's the captain.

In: Mitch Marsh

 

[Hojuman]

In: Mitch Marsh

Aha ! The holy grail. An all rounder.

Maybe our problem is Ponting, Siddle, Marsh ( if you get my drift )

 

[KiwiRoo]

But had 9 fer in the 2nd and couldn't get it done. Starc will be champing at the bit. You're partly to blame anyway Kiwi, sorry. Couldn't Stokes have played union or something over there ? Who the hell put a bat in his hand ?

His old man represented NZ at rugby league. He then left to coach in the UK and left a gingernut behind when he went back to NZ
So we tried !

 

[KiwiRoo]

The more batting friendly pitch conditions led to them growing more and more comfortable, and us more and more desperate as time moved along. Pattinson, Hazlewood and Cummins all being right arm over similarly paced bowlers has a sameness to it, as well as they've performed. Old Trafford is renowned for reverse swing coming into play as the ball wears away too and that plays into Starc's wheelhouse (TM David King).

As said above, the county game will tell us more.

Old Trafford is also renowned for dodgy penalties in injury time if your team name starts with Manchester and ends in United

ps not disagreeing with you TT..just tough on the current crop of the bowlers

 

[roo blitz]

I'll be honest, watching it live; I actually thought the ball slightly clipped the front pad to marginally change the direction of the ball more towards the stumps when it hit the back pad. I don't want to watch the replay again to prove that I was wrong, but that's what I thought live. Big Joel may have felt the same.

Ben Stokes has confirmed what you said that the ball did indeed clip his front pad first and he was convinced it was going down leg side and he cant believe DRS showed 3 reds. He said DRS got it completely wrong so maybe the ump should be given benefit of the doubt. DRS is just as likely to make a mistake as any umpire. People should be looking at the other missed chances that could have been controlled like the run out if they are looking for reasons. But an innings like that has never been played before. It was something else

 

[Twinkletoes]

Ben Stokes has confirmed what you said that the ball did indeed clip his front pad first and he was convinced it was going down leg side and he cant believe DRS showed 3 reds. He said DRS got it completely wrong so maybe the ump should be given benefit of the doubt. DRS is just as likely to make a mistake as any umpire. People should be looking at the other missed chances that could have been controlled like the run out if they are looking for reasons. But an innings like that has never been played before. It was something else

It should have been given out and the undoubted review which would follow would have sorted it out without argument. A batsman wouldn't have much of a clue whether a ball was to go an inch either way. #stillpissedoffatwilsons

 

[ozzyoslo]

Why does it say original decision is out. It was given not out. From that shot it looks like ball is going straight on to clip bails.There is too many inconsistances with ball tracking. Umpire on field rightly or wrongly thought it was not out. Either way opposition supporters would have been questioning it

Bingo !! and by going on the picture above middle stump is visable and he's down a long way on the front foot playing the shot.
A split secont to decide the ball clipped the front pad 1st before banging back onto the back leg, difficult decision to make.

 

[Samsquanch]

Aha ! The holy grail. An all rounder.

Maybe our problem is Ponting, Siddle, Marsh ( if you get my drift )

Jinx


The curse stuck ffs

 

[Hojuman]

Jinx


The curse stuck ffs

Least it struck 16, 905km away

 

[Samsquanch]

Least it struck 16, 905km away

My fault. I even take the blame for the 20 barren years since 1999.

 

[Themanbun]

We bowled trash to excellent batsmen. Completely underestimated our opponents and I think started to buy into the idea that these guys are white ball specialists.

 

[muttley45]

Is it true that old mate Joel Wilson had had 17 decisions overturned by the DRS system ?

 

[Samsquanch]

Is it true that old mate Joel Wilson had had 17 decisions overturned by the DRS system ?

And some not overturned it seems... wrong, but no reviews left.

How the powers of cricket can allow a technology to over-ride an umpires decision on some occasions but not allow that technology to be the main determinant of decisions is a joke as far as I'm concerned. It's been a long time since my playing days, and I am well aware that my team had a fair few decisions from umps that went our way - I'm still troubled by the first three Jancourt wickets that fell in a match against us in 1980 (and the umpire that gave them was a North melbourne man to boot).