Opinion Cricket thread

[ChoppyGun]

Really great to see Jhye Richardson back to full pace. Reckon he'll be a real weapon for us in the future.

Too short.

 

[Themanbun]

Too short.

Height doesn't matter as much as people think IMO. When you crank it up to 145-150kph you can bowl a bumper as well as a tall bloke. He gets a lot of zip off the wicket and steep bounce, definitely not a skiddy bowler.

He's four centimetres shorter than Akhtar but has a higher release point due to Akthar's failure to brace his front leg. He's one centimetre shorter than Steyn who IMO is the best fast bowler I've ever seen.

Edit: it was Tait who didn't brace his front leg. I still think Richardson is far more upright than Akhtar at release.

 

[Marstermind]

Australia bowled out twice for 395 or less at home to lose a Test Match

It's happened 33 times
The last was in 2016 in Hobart v South Africa (85 & 161)
Three times v India - (1977/78 - 213 & 164, 1977/78 - 131 & 263)
It's happened 12 times in Melbourne. The last was 2010 v England (98 & 258)
No Australian batsman made a 50 - the first time since 1988 v WI in Melbourne. (S.Waugh made 42)

 

[ChoppyGun]

Height doesn't matter as much as people think IMO. When you crank it up to 145-150kph you can bowl a bumper as well as a tall bloke. He gets a lot of zip off the wicket and steep bounce, definitely not a skiddy bowler.

He's four centimetres shorter than Akhtar but has a higher release point due to Akthar's failure to brace his front leg.

Absolutely it does.

My cricket career failed because of it. Plus the game has changed a lot since Akhtar mate.

Sure if ball moving or short form, but when you bowl quick and short it goes from dangerous to cannon fodder very quickly.

There is a reason basically no Test bowling superstars have been short quicks. He'd get smashed in India and when old ball.

It's height and steep which is hard to play not speed. Fidel Edwards and co near hit 160 but simply too short and Ponting on front foot against them.......

 

[Themanbun]

Absolutely it does.

My cricket career failed because of it. Plus the game has changed a lot since Akhtar mate.

Sure if ball moving or short form, but when you bowl quick and short it goes from dangerous to cannon fodder very quickly.

There is a a reason basically no Test bowling superstars were short quicks. He'd get smashed in India and when old ball.

Sorry mate, I edited my post to add that he's only 1cm shorter than Dale Steyn. Steyn is the best I have ever seen.

I'm sorry if you were told that your height was your limiting factor, but that's old school bro science and epitomizes everything I hate about cricket coaching in this country (not you, but the people who propagate this philosophy). Ian Pont and Steffan Jones are training some absolutely express bowlers and it's all based on key factors for translating potential energy into actual energy, not old school methodologies like "be tall, long levers". They have some seriously bloody good bowlers working with them.

 

[Themanbun]

Id also add that in my experience I much preferred the balloon bouncers from the land of the giants than the skiddy bouncers from the short blokes who were quick enough to get it throat height.

 

[ChoppyGun]

Sorry mate, I edited my post to add that he's only 1cm shorter than Dale Steyn. Steyn is the best I have ever seen.

I'm sorry if you were told that your height was your limiting factor, but that's old school bro science. Ian Pont and Steffan Jones are training some absolutely express bowlers and it's all based on key factors for translating potential energy into actual energy, not old school methodologies like "be tall, long levers". They have some seriously bloody good bowlers working with them.

All good mate. Its only a discussion anyway no right or wrong.

Steyn your best? Ok then as he was a gun.....I have a few others in front.

No it wasn't that I was told that, I learned it the hard way against the top level batsman here. I am 5 10 and was hammered by quality players. (Diva etc)

Fair enough on the rest but I still maintain Richardson will struggle at Test Level. I can't see it tbh

 

[Themanbun]

All good mate. Its only a discussion anyway no right or wrong.

Steyn your best? Ok then as he was a gun.....I have a few others in front.

No it wasn't that I was told that, I learned it the hard way against the top level batsman here. I am 5 10 and was hammered by quality players. (Diva etc)

Fair enough on the rest but I still maintain Richardson will struggle at Test Level. I can't see it tbh

Yeah I'd have Steyn as my best. It's a bit controversial but his strike rate was incredible and was the thing that set him apart IMO. 439 wickets at 22, strike rate in the low 40s on the batting tracks of the 2000s and 2010s, incredible record.

 

[ChoppyGun]

Id also add that in my experience I much preferred the balloon bouncers from the land of the giants than the skiddy bouncers from the short blokes who were quick enough to get it throat height.

Dirk Nannes doesn't do balloon bouncers mate.

He scared the shit out of me

 

[Themanbun]

Dirk Nannes doesn't do balloon bouncers mate.

He scared the sh*t out of me

Saw him once at Premier level and **** me he was scary.

 

[ChoppyGun]

Yeah I'd have Steyn as my best. It's a bit controversial but his strike rate was incredible and was the thing that set him apart IMO. 439 wickets at 22, strike rate in the low 40s on the batting tracks of the 2000s and 2010s, incredible record.

SA pitches help.............

Like how Indian batting averages are inflated.

 

[Themanbun]

SA pitches help.............

Like how Indian batting averages are inflated.

He did it in India too. Bowling average of 21 in India, strike rate of 37. He was generational man.

 

[ChoppyGun]

Saw him once at Premier level and **** me he was scary.

I never played State but did attend a few State teams travelling here (this is years ago) and I literally didn't want to enter the nets.

Sounds pissweak I know but I knew I wasn't good enough. I just wanted to survive and I sort of did.....ha

 

[ChoppyGun]

He did it in India too. Bowling average of 21 in India, strike rate of 37. He was generational man.

Hmmm. You are like Marstermind and prove me wrong so easily........ ; )

 

[Themanbun]

I never played State but did attend a few State teams travelling here (this is years ago) and I literally didn't want to enter the nets.

Sounds pissweak I know but I knew I wasn't good enough. I just wanted to survive and I sort of did.....ha

Worst thing at Premier level is when you get a 4ths batsman (who probably isn't much better than a club 2s or a weaker club 1sts batsman) in the same nets facing guys like him. Terrifying and a big wake up call for a lot of young blokes at age 15 who are working their way through the ranks.

I never played state either, just happened to be one of those lower div guys making up the numbers.

 

[SpiderBurton22]

Absolutely it does.

My cricket career failed because of it. Plus the game has changed a lot since Akhtar mate.

Sure if ball moving or short form, but when you bowl quick and short it goes from dangerous to cannon fodder very quickly.

There is a reason basically no Test bowling superstars have been short quicks. He'd get smashed in India and when old ball.

It's height and steep which is hard to play not speed. Fidel Edwards and co near hit 160 but simply too short and Ponting on front foot against them.......

Malcolm Marshall might disagree, but you are correct to an extent.

These days talent identification is all about height. If you're not tall you have to be exceptionally skilled. I watched St.Kilda train a few years ago and it was basically a robotic, production line. Every net was full of tall, skinny blokes with the same action. Same thing with the spinners, minus the height.

 

[ChoppyGun]

Malcolm Marshall might disagree, but you are correct to an extent.

These days talent identification is all about height. If you're not tall you have to be exceptionally skilled. I watched St.Kilda train a few years ago and it was basically a robotic, production line. Every net was full of tall, skinny blokes with the same action. Same thing with the spinners, minus the height.

I had Marshall in my mind when I typed Spider.

Just feel he a massive exception not the rule.

You are more involved with cricket now which is great and I'm not surprised to hear that

 

[ChoppyGun]

BTW Brad Hodge biggest dickhead I've ever met.

Deadset moron and arrogant.

 

[ChoppyGun]

I'll also say that big blokes can roll through their overs far better.

Like McGrath and now Hazlewood does....and have another gear.

Or just throw the ball like Tait did.......ha

 

[Themanbun]

I'll also say that big blokes can roll through their overs far better.

Like McGrath and now Hazlewood does....and have another gear.

Or just throw the ball like Tait did.......ha

A lot of the short blokes don't have easily repeatable actions, especially when they muscle it through knee dominant slinging. Jhye is a clean, front on whipping action. I think he'll be more like a Steyn in repeatability than a Tait.

The big worry is his shoulder.

 

[ChoppyGun]

A lot of the short blokes don't have easily repeatable actions, especially when they muscle it through knee dominant slinging. Jhye is a clean, front on whipping action. I think he'll be more like a Steyn in repeatability than a Tait.

The big worry is his shoulder.

Nup it's his height. He is flattered here but good batsmen will pummel him if know it's flat.

He won't m a me it mate and bump this if he does.

I really like him but I can't see a Test bowler.

We can agree to disagree ; )

 

[krakouers]

Too short.

The Steyn comments are interesting, think he will be ok without spectacular
At his age it’s all about pace, as he goes on it’s about getting smarter with how he gets people out
Don’t remember Tait really doing that side well

 

[Hojuman]

Could bowl a bit.

 

[ChoppyGun]

The Steyn comments are interesting, think he will be ok without spectacular
At his age it’s all about pace, as he goes on it’s about getting smarter with how he gets people out
Don’t remember Tait really doing that side well

I have no idea on point being made but I'm with you.....ha

 

[WesternRoo]

The selectors are a bit stuck at the moment.

It's time to take risks with selection, but a 4 match series at 1-1 is not ideal.

I think taking a conservative approach hasn’t really worked either.

We need to actually have a serious look at our batting gameplan against India.

One thing they are doing much better is working the ball behind the wicket and square of the wicket.

Rahane gave us a master class in this.

Also, those calling for Head to get the arse probably should consider he is one of our better players of spin.

Spin will play a big part in the 3rd and 4th innings in Sydney, if not earlier.