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True but in his defence he was pretty rooted fitness wise most of last year.
Had an injured hip and subsequently had surgery afterwards. Started coming good last year and it showed with his output.
At the rate he’s started this season, it might only be another couple of rounds before most are reminded that the Bont is back to 100%
Jack Macrae should be in this discussion, just quietly.
Perhaps you can reconcile all you've posted with a poor couple of years ... not doubting the talent.
I don't think you're comprehending correctly, as this thread is more along the lines of who you'd rather have than who you'd rather be...Would you rather be Bucks or Voss after their careers are over? Long period of captaincy, Brownlows, multiple AAs, multiple B&Fs, etc. One player has 3 x premierships and one has 0 x premierships.
The players discussed are on the same path at this point in time, although one already has achieved the ultimate while the other two haven’t.
Not to hard to comprehend?
Thank you, I don’t think you’ve read the recent posts to comprehend what the current debate is aboutI don't think you're comprehending correctly, as this thread is more along the lines of who you'd rather have than who you'd rather be...
Don't you just love it when someone points to team success as proof of individual player quality?
A clear sign the person doesn't know what they're talking about.
Exhibit A.
If you think Bont is better that's fine, but this is a lazy and frankly pathetic argument.
Try again.
Isn't this thread like... four years old?
So far Cripps hasn't really become what he should've, the media told us Bontempelli would have a Brownlow by now, and Kelly peaked in about 2016.
It's a lame, simpleton footy opinion.
And Gibson done it twice and no one thinks he was a better player than Hodge, Rough, Mitchell, Burgoyne.Winning a B&F with a premiership winning side is still one of the highest accolades. However, it’s obvious that it’s not something you can always use to compare players because some are shot out of luck with the talent on their team.
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Wasn't there another 10,000 page thread on this s**t?
Not really directly comparible though, different player with a completely different role and skillset. Grundy is a star though but he doesnt offer what these mids do nor do they offer what he does.I'm going with Brodie Grundy to be better than all of them. Bont doesn't appear to be improving. Kelly keeps getting injured. Cripps is a star still on the rise, but Grundy's rate of improvement is off the charts.
Not really directly comparible though, different player with a completely different role and skillset. Grundy is a star though but he doesnt offer what these mids do nor do they offer what he does.
If they are fully fit Kelly and Cripps would be hard to split over who I'd take. Kelly is classier, Cripps more physically dominant. You couldnt lose with either.
For me Bontempelli is a level below them.
Just proof why team achievements mean nothing when talking about merit of an individual. Hodge is more decorated than Carey if we consider team achievements, but Hodge isn't in the conversation for the GOATThen two years out of finals. Peaked early?