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Crisp our new tagger?
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Scodog10
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I can't really figure out the point of this discussion. If our midfield is to improve in 2015 it will be because we don't have a tagger.
A guy that plays a run with role is fine (think Ling, Shiels, Cornes and S Selwood types) because they will do damage the other way, but Caff's pure tagging role was more of a hinderance than a help in the majority of games. I'm also not confident any of our guys can play that run with role.
A starting midfield of Pendles, Swan and Greenwood supported by Adams, Sidebottom, JT, Broomhead, Freeman and in an ideal world PK is going to take us further than any midfield with a tagger if they work hard both ways.
A guy that plays a run with role is fine (think Ling, Shiels, Cornes and S Selwood types) because they will do damage the other way, but Caff's pure tagging role was more of a hinderance than a help in the majority of games. I'm also not confident any of our guys can play that run with role.
A starting midfield of Pendles, Swan and Greenwood supported by Adams, Sidebottom, JT, Broomhead, Freeman and in an ideal world PK is going to take us further than any midfield with a tagger if they work hard both ways.
I really hope we shun this whole tagging thing.
It has never been our niche and we look so much better with ball players. I don't mind having a defensive minded player around the ball who does all those little things like Bally used to do but he was a pure ball player- not a tagger. It's always served our mids and team best.
Scrap the tag idea.
It has never been our niche and we look so much better with ball players. I don't mind having a defensive minded player around the ball who does all those little things like Bally used to do but he was a pure ball player- not a tagger. It's always served our mids and team best.
Scrap the tag idea.
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Crisp will be played HFF and rotate through the midfield in my opinion
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I could see Greenwood doing a run with role as he and Sidebottom will be our best 2 way runners
How many years in a row did Macaffer kick 30 goals or more??? Seriously biggest spud in our team and hope he doesn't come back... Crisp is the moden footballer and can / will be coached to be a tagger, Young, fast, agile and most of all NOT Macaffer!!
Bit harsh.
I wasn't a fan of Macaffer the tagger either (excluding the jobs he did on Cotchin and Murphy) but he hasn't been a bad rookie pick up. Wasn't bad as a defensive forward in his early days either.
He's not in our top 10 players but biggest spud is going a bit far. I'd have him over Blair and Young if it came to it.
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That what he has been Playing.
But his Kicking is a Weakness in his game at the Moment and Reported to have a Good Defensive Side to his game.
So maybe coming a Tagger hides his Kicking a bit
Sam Mitchell would be one of the best kicks going around. When does he miss the target? Sewell isn't in their midfeild anymore.
Sewell isn't even on their list anymore.
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If you look at who posted that crap about Mitchell, his nick was figjam.... i think that explains it. Either that or I'm behind in popular culture and "ho-hum" means "equally good on both left and right feet and being able to deliver precise passes" Maybe we'll be seeing another post Michael Jackson album being called "ho-hum"
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yeh he meant that he's terrible playing kick to kick in his backyard
And havent we missed that recently, multiple options up forward.
Greenwood should be the tagger when required.
Crisp on a wing would suit him best
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TAC cup form is pretty irrelevant to what a player displays at AFL level, which is what the discussion is about.
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I hate the idea of picking a player as a tagger even though it's pretty clear he's not best 22, or at least hasn't performed at a level at his old club that would constitute selection in our senior side.
Crisp has to earn a spot in the seniors, and I just can't see that happening if we play him as a tagger, or worse still he gets the job as tagger and takes the place of a midfielder who could actually help us going forward.
I like the thinking of most top coaches that you don't really need a tagger, but your midfield as a whole has to be equally defensive and attacking minded.
Last year we were piss poor at defending when we didn't have the ball, it's the only positive of losing Beams because of the big names, he was the biggest offender, especially in the second half of the season.
Moral of my argument, if Crisp or any other player is selected primarily as a tagger and keeps a young and promising mid our of our 22, I'll be pissed off.
Crisp has to earn a spot in the seniors, and I just can't see that happening if we play him as a tagger, or worse still he gets the job as tagger and takes the place of a midfielder who could actually help us going forward.
I like the thinking of most top coaches that you don't really need a tagger, but your midfield as a whole has to be equally defensive and attacking minded.
Last year we were piss poor at defending when we didn't have the ball, it's the only positive of losing Beams because of the big names, he was the biggest offender, especially in the second half of the season.
Moral of my argument, if Crisp or any other player is selected primarily as a tagger and keeps a young and promising mid our of our 22, I'll be pissed off.
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I'm not real big on whether we have a hard tagger on our list or not tbh. Our first few games are Brisbane/Adelaide/Saints/Essendon/Carlton where I'm not sure we need anyone doing a hard tag. Brisbane losing Hanley is great news for us, maybe Beams or Rockliffe get a tag and not really worried about Rich coming of a LTI being too damaging.
Adelaide - Dangerfield or Sloane but once again I'd be happy with a run with role. Saints don't concern me. Let Montagna or Steven go. Essendon and Carlton Watson who should be injured by round 4 so maybe Heppel/Hibbered and Carlton Murphy most likely.
Anyway - some 2 way running from our midfielders should see us get through these first few rounds without a real shutdown player IMO.
Adelaide - Dangerfield or Sloane but once again I'd be happy with a run with role. Saints don't concern me. Let Montagna or Steven go. Essendon and Carlton Watson who should be injured by round 4 so maybe Heppel/Hibbered and Carlton Murphy most likely.
Anyway - some 2 way running from our midfielders should see us get through these first few rounds without a real shutdown player IMO.
Maybe accepting Crisp was a mistake in the first place if he is going to keep a young player out of the senior side. Could've just used another draft pick..
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So Taggers are Overrated then?
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Ha. I totally agree with you here.
What the hell was the point in accepting Crisp in the deal if we don't intend on playing him? Above anyone, let alone a young guy with no experience who will be in and out of the side anyway.
And if the coaches and development staff see tagging potential in him then so be it. Even if we don't like the idea (which I don't really, just accepting the fact that anything is possible), we have to be confident that he's going to pushed in the right direction in getting the best out of himself for the good of the team.
Can't play all of Greenwood Crisp and Adams in the centre square and expect to win games of footy.
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Pure negating taggers are overrated In my view. When they win the matchup its a draw for the team but when they lose it the team virtually plays with one less man.
Taggers that can win their own ball like Kane Cornes and Ed Curnow are usefull.
What's your point? None of them are actually taggers. Greenwood has done some tagging roles but is a much better player when told to win his own footy which was seen last year.
If we do play a tagger I prefer them not to start in the centre square. Unless you're playing against an Ablett you're just disadvantaging yourself way too much
My point. My point is with those 3 playing in our midfeild we wouldn't be ranked in the best core midfeild groups.
Modern taggers have to be able to play both ways, otherwise they are a liability. Licuria was a bit of a pioneer on this front, in that he could go off the leash for 35 touches, or lock down. Ling, Cornes, etc all could actually outpoint their opponent offensively as well. That's where macaffer falls short in my opinion . Would be horrible to play on him, but doesn't really challenge his opponent in the other direction. That said, I haven't seen 1 Collingwood official attributed with saying Crisp will tag, just fluffy speculation by the journo. But if he could become a ling type big bodied stopper who could also push forward for a goal there could be a role for him.
