Crisp our new tagger?

[Adnan]

Crisp is still only 21. He has time to develop into a good player. Obviously there are a few players who are younger and more likely to get games (Freeman, De Goey, Broomhead, etc) but that doesn't mean we should give up on developing him as a midfielder and make him a tagger. Haven't read anything saying he is actually training as a tagger, so the articles just another article to cover the slow news day. He has the potential and its in our best interest to unleash everything he has to offer, after all he was drafted by Brisbane in the Rookie Draft from the Murray Bushrangers, and the only other player Brisbane have Rookie Drafted from the Bushrangers was Tom Rockliff .

 

[Vampire013]

Crisp won B&F at Murray Bushrangers. Means he did have some ability (as a junior).
When given a chance in second half of last season he performed admirably for Brisbane.
The guy is training hard and is in super nick according to reports.
What more can you ask from him?
I have looked at his highlights & he does not look bad at all.
He is 190 cm tall, 89kg and has speed.
I have a feeling he will make a few jaws drop.
I'd rather be positive than just dribble negative crap about players on our list.
I support the club and every player on the list no matter who they are as long as they give their all.
You cannot win a premiership every year.
It is harder for us because everyone hates us and we get screwed over by umpires week after week.

 

[Gone Critical]

Crisp has a great opportunity to forge a career and you get the sense that if he doesnt make it wont be for lack of trying. While I wouldnt have him close to a spot in the 22 at this stage if he does push himself up the order that will be great. If he becomes best 22 I suspect it will be because he bested another pretty good kid who may have been rated ahead of him previously. It wont be because of other payers dropping off rather him going over the top of them.

Good luck Crispy

 

[Anzacday]

Crisp won B&F at Murray Bushrangers. Means he did have some ability (as a junior).
When given a chance in second half of last season he performed admirably for Brisbane.
The guy is training hard and is in super nick according to reports.
What more can you ask from him?
I have looked at his highlights & he does not look bad at all.
He is 190 cm tall, 89kg and has speed.
I have a feeling he will make a few jaws drop.
I'd rather be positive than just dribble negative crap about players on our list.
I support the club and every player on the list no matter who they are as long as they give their all.
You cannot win a premiership every year.
It is harder for us because everyone hates us and we get screwed over by umpires week after week.

Excellent post.
I agree with all bar the umpiring.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Marley Williams would be the guy I'd groom for the mid tagging role, decent pace, hard as nails, likes the crash and bash and doesn't mind taking on a man physically. He also knows how to read the play well in the midfield and could in my opinion be an attacking tagger that hurts both ways.

As long as we can find another small defender to replace him, then I'm all for it.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I love the idea of it, especially given his height, a little extra reach never goes astray. Ling was a taller tagger. Would be great to get an instant results in the Beams trade, too. Imagine all three of them palying in Round One!!! And Crisp in the middle tagging one of their prime movers!!!

Hopefully he is as good a set of steakknives as Paul Medhurst was.

 

[Taylor]

Crisp is still only 21. He has time to develop into a good player. Obviously there are a few players who are younger and more likely to get games (Freeman, De Goey, Broomhead, etc) but that doesn't mean we should give up on developing him as a midfielder and make him a tagger.

Learning workrates, running patterns, positioning in the contest techniques etc from the best midfielders in the competition would develop his midfield game more. In my opinion.

 

[Vampire013]

Excellent post.
I agree with all bar the umpiring.

LOL. Fair enough, maybe I have a bias. But.....................
My grudge with the umpiring is we cop the raw deal at critical moments and it's usually the same umpires.
Last year against Hawthorn we had the momentum coming back when umpire calls Pendles clear handball a throw.
If it was let go, it probably would have resulted in a goal to us and we would have hit the lead.
Instead Hawthorn got the ball kicked it forward and got a goal.
They they got another 2-3 quick ones after that and gave over.
Couple of years ago against Geelong umpire did not allow Pendles the advantage and goal.
We lost the game
I'm not bitching about week in week out bad umpiring but we cop some howlers against the better sides !!!

 

[76woodenspooners]

Maybe accepting Crisp was a mistake in the first place if he is going to keep a young player out of the senior side. Could've just used another draft pick..

The club clearly rate Crisp better than a fourth round pick ... we gave Brisbane our fourth round pick in addition to Beams.

 

[THATSGOLD]

The club clearly rate Crisp better than a fourth round pick ... we gave Brisbane our fourth round pick in addition to Beams.

Who did Brisbane select with that fourth round pick we gave them?

 

[76woodenspooners]

Who did Brisbane select with that fourth round pick we gave them?

Josh Watts, a 194cm, 74kg KPP (ie. ain't gunna see him on an AFL ground any time soon)

http://www.lions.com.au/player-profile/josh-watts

 

[Rusty22]

is crisp fast/ fit?

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

is crisp fast/ fit?

Not sure how quick he is, but this is his profile

A tall midfielder who wins the hard ball and has the ability to spread and use it well in space, Crisp’s versatility helped him make the transition from the rookie list to senior football, where he played the last six games of the 2014 season. The 190cm left-footer has good hands and is noted for his ability around the stoppages, while his run, long kicking and strong tackling are other notable features of his game.

Also reported to be training the house down at Collingwood. Ticking all the boxes, albeit its only February.

 

[Knightmare]

I don't see a need for a tagger.

In saying that Crisp would be probably as well suited to that role as anyone on our squad. Nice height, very quick, reasonably strong and will continue to get stronger and an absolutely incredible tackler. Footskills are poor so you don't want the ball in his hands.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I don't see a need for a tagger.

In saying that Crisp would be probably as well suited to that role as anyone on our squad. Nice height, very quick, reasonably strong and will continue to get stronger and an absolutely incredible tackler. Footskills are poor so you don't want the ball in his hands.

Call him a run-with or a tall defensive mid then!!! Agree that I dont want a 100% blanket Crowley type. They just dont create enough. Perhaps hes better suited at half back but time will tell.

Footskills appear to be the concern as you say....unusual for a left footer to be a poor kick, an interestinag anomoly.

 

[Knightmare]

Call him a run-with or a tall defensive mid then!!! Agree that I dont want a 100% blanket Crowley type. They just dont create enough. Perhaps hes better suited at half back but time will tell.

Footskills appear to be the concern as you say....unusual for a left footer to be a poor kick, an interestinag anomoly.

Not all left footers are exceptional kicks. Toovey wasn't great when he joined the club, though more consistent now and Williams is still working to develop that consistency. Cloke is another left footer.

Left footers often have a more ascetically pleasing action and there is a fair share of exceptional left foot kicks which has created the perception of left footers being better kicks but at the same time, there are enough, though rarely noted who can't kick.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Which clubs don't have a 'run with' player?
I can't think of any, even Hawthorn do

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Which clubs don't have a 'run with' player?
I can't think of any, even Hawthorn do

Yep its all a matter of definition. All midfields have at least one player with a particularly defensive mindset, whether thats zoning behind the play, or "running with" a particular opponent to try and beat him one on one and make him accountable for an opponent, or the extreme of fully fledged tagging where stopping the opponent is the only objective. Some clubs have the same player doing this role every week, other clubs mix and match according to the opposition.

For a blanker tagger when required (eg against Ablett) , Brent Maccaffer is still the go-to man.

 

[Ricky90]

is crisp fast/ fit?

Both.

 

[Nuffsaid]

Not all left footers are exceptional kicks. Toovey wasn't great when he joined the club, though more consistent now and Williams is still working to develop that consistency. Cloke is another left footer.

Left footers often have a more ascetically pleasing action and there is a fair share of exceptional left foot kicks which has created the perception of left footers being better kicks but at the same time, there are enough, though rarely noted who can't kick.

I'd argue also that left footers naturally turn the opposite way to what the chasing player is hard wired to expect, which often gives them the split second extra time to make a decision and execute. It also opens up different angles on the ground for players to lead into.

 

[mike123]

Did alright on Watson I thought

 

[Jelly Bean]

Not all left footers are exceptional kicks. Toovey wasn't great when he joined the club, though more consistent now and Williams is still working to develop that consistency. Cloke is another left footer.

Left footers often have a more ascetically pleasing action and there is a fair share of exceptional left foot kicks which has created the perception of left footers being better kicks but at the same time, there are enough, though rarely noted who can't kick.

On average though, left footers are better kicks than right footers. As a group, left footers have a kicking efficiency of a few percentage points higher than right footers. Left footers are disproportionately more prominent at the top of the kicking skills of each club. Hawthorn built a recruiting strategy (and one that delivered three premierships and counting...) on this.

No one has made a compelling arrgument as to why, but the best explanation i have heard is about the fact that a the early junior ranks (in the developmental stages) most kids are used to pressuring players based on being right footers, and therefore left footers didn't need to develop a quicker, more scrappy kicking action. This would lead to better execution and better aesthetics.

 

[Kirby]

Did alright on Watson I thought

He did well but he didn't tag him as such. Played head to head at stoppages and used his big frame.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

He did well but he didn't tag him as such. Played head to head at stoppages and used his big frame.

Well whatever he did, it worked. I barely sighted Watson on the replay but saw Crispy plenty.

I'm confident he can do the job on Judd. Which would make the game really ugly for Carlton supporters to watch given what Judd and Yarran normally do to us (yet we still beat them every time under Malthouse).

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Well whatever he did, it worked. I barely sighted Watson on the replay but saw Crispy plenty.

I'm confident he can do the job on Judd. Which would make the game really ugly for Carlton supporters to watch given what Judd and Yarran normally do to us (yet we still beat them every time under Malthouse).

Exactly. who cares how he beat Watson, he beat Watson. I'm not a believer in a tight tagger anyway. Not every week...except when circumstances demand.