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Firstly, id rather hold onto him. That just to clear where i stand.

However, the club seems to be copping the flak for all the 'speculation' and that is all it is so far about a possible trade that may result if indeed Trent is traded.

Firstly in another post the goatmaster made the most succint point ive yet seen on the trade.

IF Croad were to be traded, does anyone honestly think the club ISNT going to drive a deal so hard that the Hawks could not possibly come out the clear winners?

All the talk of a 'draft pick' for Croad? Pfft, a 21 year old with enourmous talent, a gifted CHB who has been learning how to play in every key posistion on the ground for the last year?

At the very least the club would be looking (imo) at two top ten picks and probably another pick in the teens somewhere. That would the realistic option. If this scenario did come about, the possibilty that in todays trading market it is now very hard not to get things wrong with early picks, this would mean that,in essence with 4 overall picks in the top twenty five selections we would be picking up some very VERY good players for future years.

The other case would be a player swap. This is the less likely as the salary cap, ability to deal with other clubs over who/what they would be willing to give up would be lessened as the demands would be more an equal 50/50 deal. Ie, you give us Croad, we give you West/Misiti type case.

In either situation though, the overall goal of the coaching staff is to IMPROVE the list. They are not going to let Trent just 'go' (or any other player i would presume ie Angie, Mcpharlin). There is and has been to much work put into getting this list together. They are not so stupid as to remove players simply for the sake of being seen to be 'involved' in the trade market.

Every other club is in the same boat. The whole point of the trade period is in trying to improve the clubs playing stock.

Of course there can be drawbacks unforseen. You could draft duds, the direct player swap one for one could see one player bloom and another fade away (hi Barry Young). Or worse case (and the one i do worry about in the Hawks current situation) it could have a bad effect on club moral. Case in point, the Bombers trading of two good clubmen in Hawker and Clayton (? not sure on that) for Raines and Richardson in 86ish (? again not sure of the date). Though the players Essendon got into the club were better from a purely playing sense, from what ive heard many at the Dons belived that the playing groups 'core' was never as solid after the trade had been done.

This is what i fear could happen to us, more so actually with the Lekkas possible trade than even the possible Croad one.

All up, its all speculation so far. No player and no club is immune to this time. The clubs must look to the future regardless of anything else. They must also look to where they can improve their outlooks for the future by dealing what they may think surplus to their current needs.

I sincerly hope nobody leaves the Hawks this year through trading (im an old softy) yet if, IF it does happen, i do have the hope that its to build a stronger Hawthorn for all the tomorrows to come.

Cheers.
 
Great post Grendel...agree almost entirely with your sentiments...

The Hitman
 
Originally posted by The Hitman
Great post Grendel...agree almost entirely with your sentiments...

The Hitman

Yes, very appropriate thread Grendel. I also agree whole-heartedly with your post and feel that the Hawthorn Football Club would never deliberately trade Trent Croad just so we looked active in the trading market. They do have the team at heart and will so for the rest of their tenior with the club. Our opinions unfortunately do not count into what the club thinks as yet..... but we have to stick by the people making the trades, and realise they are trying to get the best player for the club in the long run.
 

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What about NOW we have been building towards the future for a while now and this year we fell 9 points short of a Grand Final,we have still a lot of kids under 20 at the club so our future seems very bright for a long time to come but as you have read many Hawks supporters who where looking forward to next year are now disillusioned with the club over this Trent Croad debarcle.Please Hawthorn don't trade him
 
Originally posted by shaneh
What about NOW we have been building towards the future for a while now and this year we fell 9 points short of a Grand Final,we have still a lot of kids under 20 at the club so our future seems very bright for a long time to come but as you have read many Hawks supporters who where looking forward to next year are now disillusioned with the club over this Trent Croad debarcle.Please Hawthorn don't trade him

I really dont want Croad to be traded but if he is we just have to deal with it unfortunately. We cant take it out on the club, because they would only ever have the teams best interests in mind.... and would never trade away someone who they think has real value to the team, obviously we think Croad has talent, but we cant help it if they dont.
 
Just listened to a audio stream of Michael Brown on Sport 927 this morning, he stressed all players were discussed at this time of year and the Croad speculation is just that at the moment, he even pointed out that Trent was close friends of his family and is involved in alot of the marketing of the club, sounded like it was far from a done deal and mentioned NO DEAL has been done with Melbourne ........... hopefully we are all being sucked in by the papers looking for a story
 
Originally posted by BUBBALOUIS
Just listened to a audio stream of Michael Brown on Sport 927 this morning, he stressed all players were discussed at this time of year and the Croad speculation is just that at the moment, he even pointed out that Trent was close friends of his family and is involved in alot of the marketing of the club, sounded like it was far from a done deal and mentioned NO DEAL has been done with Melbourne ........... hopefully we are all being sucked in by the papers looking for a story

Gee, well thats a little bit of good news, I really hope he stays at the Hawks.
 
I agree Grendel....except the bit about Hawthorn being the clear winners.

that is nonsense. Let's say Port trade with the Hawks for Croad. On the one hand you are saying that the Hawks would not be so stupid to let Croad go for less than he is worth....on the other hand you are saying that Port are so stupid to take him for more than he is worth.

What you need to look at is the relative worth of the player. What Croad is worth to Hawthorn is different to what he might be worth to Port (given relative strength and weaknesses of lists)...similarly Hawthorn could perhaps value a Francou or Carr more than Port. Then you get a win-win. If you approachit from the view of screwing the other club then you will be screwed just as often as you do the screwing !

Satay Mat
 
Originally posted by Satay Mat
If you approachit from the view of screwing the other club then you will be screwed just as often as you do the screwing !

Satay Mat

Its just a whole lot of screwing in your opinion, lol.

But we wouldnt trade Croad for either Francou or Carr, maybe both of them, but not just one.
 
Originally posted by hawkfan5


Its just a whole lot of screwing in your opinion, lol.

But we wouldnt trade Croad for either Francou or Carr, maybe both of them, but not just one.

IMHO if you would not trade Croad for Carr then you are a twit :)

Carr is just the player you need. He is a goal kicking midefielder who is really hard at it....a great tagger and dishes it out a bit too. It gets back to my point....Carr is worth more to Hawthorn (with a midfield which lacks depth and grunt) than he is to Port....and Croad is worth more to Port who need a key defender than he is to Hawthorn who have a few options.

Nick Stevens is a better player than Carr, but not at Hawthorn....if you had an in and under midfielder you could free up Chick and Crawford to use the ball more constructively.

still....each to their own.



Satay Mat
 
Originally posted by Satay Mat


IMHO if you would not trade Croad for Carr then you are a twit :)

If Hawthorn traded Trent Croad for Josh Carr i would riot! Carr is a good player, but if we trade Croad it will be for a star or a great draft pick. Carr isn't worth as much to Hawthorn as you think.
 
SatayMat, basically im just putting Croads name up as he is seemingly the 'big' name this year. That and the fact that he is a Hawk is why i decided to do the post.

Re, the screwing, well like hawkfan5 said. All clubs are looking to do it to each other. The choices though are do they do it now and wait for it to go around/come around or just go ahead and think they can get away with it?

I kind of agree with you, your better off trying to 'play fair' but still only do that as you say, if it leaves you in a better posistion of strength after the deal is done.

Thats why id rather go the draft picks route. The player/player is always going to be viewed with some trepadation, if not just by supporters but i would think by the clubs also.

Cheers.
 

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Originally posted by Chris_23


If Hawthorn traded Trent Croad for Josh Carr i would riot! Carr is a good player, but if we trade Croad it will be for a star or a great draft pick. Carr isn't worth as much to Hawthorn as you think.

Thankyou Chris. We need a midfielder with good disposal more than anything else - and Carr's kicking is definitely his weakness.

We already have 2 potential taggers in Vanders and Bowyer (not including Woods) - it's a ballwinner we need instead.
 
Why would Hawthorn chase early draft picks ? They've proven over and over they don't Know how to use them (eg BOFFA, Croad etc etc)
 
Actually Pess, perhaps they have finally woken up to the fact that the early picks are better used on kids (ie Croad, dont know why you consider his selection a 'waste').

BOF, Rehn, somebody else were all picked up by trading away the early picks, now thats been where weve been making mistakes.

The only club that hasnt given away early draft choices have been the Dons and look at the posistion of strength thats enabled with them. We should be looking to go the same way.
 
How is Croad a waste?

He is only a waste if we throw him away like we stupidly seem to be doing.

He is 21 for gods sake. How can he expected to be fully developed? He is the kind of player who needs time, and when he hits his straps and reaches his potential (and I know potential is a dirty word, and I know you will say that he might not live up tio his potential), he will be one of the top players in the league.

Crawford at 21? Full of potential. Thompson? The kid had potential? Smith? Had potential, but gee his knee was f*cked. McPharlin? Has potential like Croad. Barker? Had potential, and took him ages to develop it. Holland? Was always good, but only has stood out in the last two seasons.

My point is that every player at 21 has potential. Every player has at 21 that cloud hanging over them which says that can be anything. The club has shown faith with the above, and with Smith and McPharlin in extraordinary situations. So why shouldn't they with Croad, when he has the most potential out of all them?

I am almost resigned to the fact we have lost him, and all we will probably get is a #4 pick. :(

We have screwed up, and this will hurt us in the future...

The Hitman
 
Let me make the point that i too think trading Croad is a monumental mistake ...... but, now that it looks inevitable i hope the Hawks manage a great deal, if we can pick up a young ready made midfielder and a top draft selection then ill trust our match committee in there choice, im dismayed at the handling of Croad, im more dimayed at the reaction of some supporters on radio threatining to tear up there membership, sack the coach statements etc etc etc........ We need a quality midfielder EVERYONE agrees with that, with the draft and salary cap that isnt as easy as going and getting a John Platten, sometimes you have to sacrifice, ive trusted Ian Dicker and Peter Schwab so far and they havent let me down.... even if this turns out to be the wrong move... guess what ill still support the club 150%

They obviously think we have an opportunity for a flag in the next 3 years with this list + a quality midfielder.... lets hope there right


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