Cronulla a certainty

[cos789]

Other than the Horse Drugs, Sydney accepted the Swans just fine.....

In all due respects we're talking about a city accepting a team with serious problems as a solution to the problem.
The allegations of horse drug taking and salary cap over payments very well publicised here in Perth like the rest of Australia. That fact would be very hard to overcome from a promotional point of view.

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[Hap Hapablap]

How about if cronulla lost its licence to the perth reds due to the consequences of asada and the investigation. Could that be a possibility

 

[Hap Hapablap]

How about if cronulla lost its licence to the perth reds due to the consequences of asada and the investigation. Could that be a possibility

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Yes to the first post, no to the second.

 

[cos789]

How about if cronulla lost its licence to the perth reds due to the consequences of asada and the investigation. Could that be a possibility

I don't know about it being a possibility but atm it would be more acceptable.
The Reds have their junior team and they could pick up the remaining talent.

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[storm fan]

The Bombers we know about, the Cats and Suns have said they are happy to work with the AFL and ASADA because their employment of either Dank or Dean Robertson, but aren't in the ACC report. There is a unknown player at an unknown club that is in the ACC report for PED use. I don't know where your getting 9 AFL clubs from other than the "not on banned list excuse" that most people seem to be accepting about the Sharks.

I've heard many numbers tossed around regarding AFL clubs. Some Journo's (both Melbourne & Sydney based) have told me as high as 9. Lets hope it's not the case.

Now we have salary cap breaches as well. Actual under the table payments. How can these perennial under achievers be on the gear, come nowhere near a flag, and still need to be paid outside the cap?

Shattered.

Hang in there & you'll be rewarded after.

Not long one would think, but Ricky's support tends to go far these days.

This part of Roy's article caught my interest



Back to back World Cup's for the Kiwi's

But the other part that points to the NRL wanting the Sharks to move to Perth in return for this support is another interesting point out of the article.

Where is the part about the NRL wanting to move the Sharks to Perth?

NZ seem to always play terribly in the Northern Hemisphere. England would become favourites imo.

Certainly the Sharks moving to Perth is going to solve many problems.

After having to prove themselves time and time again over many years, Perth & WA deserve their own team and after all the work with the new Pirates branding and support that's now behind that, the Perth Sharks would be a terribly hard sell to the Perth Public.

If it comes to the Cronulla Sharks not being able to continue in the NRL, the only suitable place I can see for a relocation that could work in time and with a lot of resources is Adelaide.

Other than the Horse Drugs, Sydney accepted the Swans just fine.....

It took many many years before the Swans managed to build their small but solid supporter base in Sydney. I'm sure there is no need to let on know that the club almost died before having legends like Tony et al to come in at around the same time events in the Sydney sporting landscape help the Swans build their base. And to Swans weren't moving into an area that was preparing a bid over many years for their own club/identity/history nor did Sydney have to prove they deserved a team unlike the current situation in Perth & Rugby League

How about if cronulla lost its licence to the perth reds due to the consequences of asada and the investigation. Could that be a possibility

There is no Perth Reds anymore. But that is a possibly for the West Coast Pirates which is the bid being run by the WARL to enter a team into the NRL competition. They also run a team in the SG Ball (under 18) competition.

However in my opinion, the West Coast Pirates will take and deserve a few years lead in time to further grow the brand and the game in WA/Perth before they actually play their first game.

In the worse case scenario happens and the Sharks can not continue in the NRL competition and can not relocate (preferably to Adelaide) then I think you'll see the Central Coast Bears be rushed in immediately with the future expansion to Perth/WA (Wests Coast Pirates) & QLD become a certaintity.

 

[storm fan]

Cronulla, Perth, Central Coast & Brisbane against

http://dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/...l-if-sharks-fold/story-e6frexnr-1226594341253

Sharks will survive or fold. My earlier worse case scenario is still most likely.

 

[Northern_Union]

I hope the Sharks survive this. I want them to relocate sure, but i don't want them to fold.

 

[Ellie Aquitaine]

It's been on the table for some time that the Sharks may relocate. Adelaide was certainly suggested some time ago when the Sharks played some games there.

I'm gutted. I've followed this team for decades, through far more tough times than good. But, once again, who on earth is the grown up in charge at Endeavour?

 

[storm fan]

It seems initially (at least) the ASADA investigation was after 5 Football clubs.

Those clubs according to an ASADA letter to Steven Dank's legal team those clubs are:

• Manly-Warringah Sea Eagles

• Cronulla-Sutherland Sharks

• Geelong Cats

• Essendon Bombers

• Gold Coast Suns

http://smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag...t-foot-over-dank-alliance-20130311-2fwgq.html

 

[Kynge of Begrem]

Have heard from a good source that there may need to be a rewriting of the premiership winners over the last 5 years. won't post what I have heard here, happy to be pm'd.

 

[storm fan]

Hopefully, what you have heard. Is not the rumour that has been put out a few days ago.

The Rumour: Steve Menzies has completely given in to ASADA and told them everything. Manly to be stripped of 2008 & 2011 premierships.

This rumoured is incorrect. Steve Menzies has not even been contacted by ASADA at all.

If it's something else PM me what you've heard.

 

[Andrew Mc]

Hopefully, what you have heard. Is not the rumour that has been put out a few days ago.

The Rumour: Steve Menzies has completely given in to ASADA and told them everything. Manly to be stripped of 2008 & 2011 premierships.

This rumoured is incorrect. Steve Menzies has not even been contacted by ASADA at all.

If it's something else PM me what you've heard.

Perhaps one of the ASADA reps wanted a junket to France...? .

 

[storm fan]

Lundy told: ASADA must 'put up or shut up'

SPORTS Minister Kate Lundy came under fire this morning from Labor colleagues over her handling of the drugs in sports scandal, with one Sydney Labor MP accusing the anti-doping agency of abandoning proper legal process in its pursuit of NRL players.
South west Sydney MP Daryl Melham stood up in a caucus meeting this morning and singled outSenator Lundy, calling on her to get the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority (ASADA) to “put up or shut up”.
Mr Melham, a lawyer, said he was appalled at the handling of the drugs in sport scandal claiming he had seen nothing like it in his life.
Mr Melham raised concerns over due legal process with allegations being made against players without evidence being put to them.
He also criticised the offer of “discount” suspensions to players who self-incriminate, claiming they hadn’t even been told of the allegations against them.

Source and full article: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/asada-must-put-up-or-shut-up/story-e6freuy9-1226595557225

 

[Kynge of Begrem]

Hopefully, what you have heard. Is not the rumour that has been put out a few days ago.

The Rumour: Steve Menzies has completely given in to ASADA and told them everything. Manly to be stripped of 2008 & 2011 premierships.

This rumoured is incorrect. Steve Menzies has not even been contacted by ASADA at all.

If it's something else PM me what you've heard.

okay - as you were then - I feel let down by an otherwise good source.

 

[robbieando]

Lundy told: ASADA must 'put up or shut up'




Source and full article: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/asada-must-put-up-or-shut-up/story-e6freuy9-1226595557225

ASADA doesn't have to do such a thing and is following the correct legal process. For a "lawyer" to not know the legal processes of ASADA, WADA and ACC is Grandstanding of the highest order.

To put it in simple terms, it makes an easy target, but doesn't inform people on how the anti-doping process takes place. It's not a quick nor simple process dispite people wanting that and names. Too many ill-informed people writing, speaking, commenting on this process. It's not a tribunal matter

 

[Aucklander]

Yet they have the ability to cost people jobs, put clubs futures at risk, innocent sports under the spotlight etc. etc. all while not naming the "alleged" guilty parties.

I think there's something wrong with the current process which needs urgent attention at least.

 

[Northern_Union]

ASADA have made an absolute mess of this and people should be lossing there jobs over it. The only other time i've seen sustained incompentce like this is from rugby league administration. Perhapes RL gets it's administrators from ASADA?

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Can't judge ASADA until it is all over. A lot of the mud that has been thrown may turn out to be true. Seems to me, they could just be shaking branches to give people an opportunity to take a lesser punishment, because sooner or later they have to go in hard with no out clauses. That's coming from a supporter of the most affected team.

Still plenty we don't know I think. I do agree with the sentiment that they should get it over and done with, but I am worried there may be more carnage than expected. Either way, we need to be in possession of all the facts in order to judge a club or ASADA.

 

[Davo23]

ASADA doesn't have to do such a thing and is following the correct legal process. For a "lawyer" to not know the legal processes of ASADA, WADA and ACC is Grandstanding of the highest order.

To put it in simple terms, it makes an easy target, but doesn't inform people on how the anti-doping process takes place. It's not a quick nor simple process dispite people wanting that and names. Too many ill-informed people writing, speaking, commenting on this process. It's not a tribunal matter

No, due legal process by ASADA involves the investigation of any breaches in private, by interviewing witnesses, perusing records and conducting tests.

It does not include:

1. A highly publicised press conference at which announcements are made that many sports have breached the drug laws;
2. Carefully leaked stories about unnamed clubs and players;
3. Offers of indemnity/reduced penalties for anyone who comes forward with information.

If this is due process, no person would ever have a fair trial.


There would be many appeals, however, and I would be happy to see that!


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[robbieando]

No, due legal process by ASADA involves the investigation of any breaches in private, by interviewing witnesses, perusing records and conducting tests.

It does not include:

1. A highly publicised press conference at which announcements are made that many sports have breached the drug laws
2. Carefully leaked stories about unnamed clubs and players;
3. Offers of indemnity/reduced penalties for anyone who comes forward with information.

If this is due process, no person would ever have a fair trial.


There would be many appeals, however, and I would be happy to see that!


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1. The press conference was in regards to the findings from the ACC that PED use was taking place, those findings passed onto the State Police forces and ASADA.
2. No, clubs named were in response to the public demand that they were name. The AFL and NRL were briefed on the report by the ACC and those leagues then decided on what was released to the public. In the NRL's case they named the clubs involved. As for players, none have been publically named.
3. No such offers are legal and have been made by the Sharks and the NRL without ASADA submitting a drugs charge. In fact, no offer can be made until a charge has been made and only by ASADA and not on behalf of ASADA.

So all ASADA has done is laid no charges and seen people such as yourself who don't understand the process, blame them for things they haven't even done.

 

[storm fan]

okay - as you were then - I feel let down by an otherwise good source.

No worries. Re: the other part that you've been told that was sent via PM, I have nothing to confirm or deny that.

Yet they have the ability to cost people jobs, put clubs futures at risk, innocent sports under the spotlight etc. etc. all while not naming the "alleged" guilty parties.

I think there's something wrong with the current process which needs urgent attention at least.

Exactly. I think you will find that after this investigation there will be a review of the processes ASADA take.

1. The press conference was in regards to the findings from the ACC that PED use was taking place, those findings passed onto the State Police forces and ASADA.

And since those same police forces have stated they have no evidence or information to act on regarding this.

 

[storm fan]

Dave Smith & John Grant to face off with Lundy

RUGBY league powerbrokers John Grant and Dave Smith will today square off with federal Sports Minister Kate Lundy over the ASADA doping scandal.
The game's chairman and chief executive have a round of meetings booked with numerous politicians in Canberra, including the Prime Minister's office and Opposition Leader Tony Abbott.
But it is the showdown with Lundy that is most critical as the NRL braces itself for further pain from the ASADA investigation that is expected to endure all season. Smith last met Lundy more than 10 days ago, and the heartache felt at Cronulla since then is certain to be discussed.

Source and full article: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...r-doping-scandal/story-e6frexnr-1226595910332

Other news:

Rugby League Week ‏@LeagueWeek
Manly GM David Perry has met with players and confirmed that ASADA has not identified any person at the club that it wishes to interview.

 

[robbieando]

Exactly. I think you will find that after this investigation there will be a review of the processes ASADA take.

You mean the one Lundy wanted in 2007 when in opposition or the one the you want because they haven't acted quick enough for your liking. Remember, most of the Sharks information has come from an independent review requested by the Sharks themselves. The rest has been the media playing guessing games.

And since those same police forces have stated they have no evidence or information to act on regarding this.

So you claim to speak on behalf of the ACC, the Federal Police and each of the State Police forces in this country. Remember there are 3 parts to the ACC report, not just PED use. 2 of which involve criminal links.

 

[Davo23]

1. The press conference was in regards to the findings from the ACC that PED use was taking place, those findings passed onto the State Police forces and ASADA.
2. No, clubs named were in response to the public demand that they were name. The AFL and NRL were briefed on the report by the ACC and those leagues then decided on what was released to the public. In the NRL's case they named the clubs involved. As for players, none have been publically named.
3. No such offers are legal and have been made by the Sharks and the NRL without ASADA submitting a drugs charge. In fact, no offer can be made until a charge has been made and only by ASADA and not on behalf of ASADA.

So all ASADA has done is laid no charges and seen people such as yourself who don't understand the process, blame them for things they haven't even done.

Hey, mate, no need for insults.
I have been a lawyer for over 20 years, and I know what legal process is all about.

ACC and ASADA are leaking selected parts of the report to the media on the basis that, once it's out there, you can con most of the people most of the time. If you ask the average punter whether sportsmen take PED's, he'll say "of course, I've seen it on TV!".

All of this prejudices the trials of anyone subsequently charged, and that's what they want.