Crown Casino, Melbourne - Part 3
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Very interesting how accepting people seem to be of such blatant angling here.
It is an angle if I say all in to a guy I know is wearing headphones and then push out a regularly sized bet (in this instance 2/3 pot or whatever).
My objective here is to get him to 'call' my bet without realising I am in fact all in.
It is an angle if I say all in to a guy I know is wearing headphones and then push out a regularly sized bet (in this instance 2/3 pot or whatever).
My objective here is to get him to 'call' my bet without realising I am in fact all in.
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So to be clear we're talking about a player that does not care to hear the action before him, does not care to confirm the action to him, and we're discussing the ethics of exploiting this guy?
We hardly need to resort to angles to achieve this...
This is one where it's only an angle if you intend it to be i.e if pushing out only a portion of your stack after verbalising all-in is often what you would do, then it is ridiculous to suggest that we specifically go out of our way for this guy.
However if you are specifically doing it because you are hoping he misses the all-in, then that's a little beyond trying to exploit his leaks.
It's a bit simplistic to just paint all angles with the same brush though - I don't think this example worthy of being 'frowned upon' if someone chose to do it regardless of intentions.
We hardly need to resort to angles to achieve this...
This is one where it's only an angle if you intend it to be i.e if pushing out only a portion of your stack after verbalising all-in is often what you would do, then it is ridiculous to suggest that we specifically go out of our way for this guy.
However if you are specifically doing it because you are hoping he misses the all-in, then that's a little beyond trying to exploit his leaks.
It's a bit simplistic to just paint all angles with the same brush though - I don't think this example worthy of being 'frowned upon' if someone chose to do it regardless of intentions.
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IMO this is a clear angle and I would definitely look down upon anyone who knowingly did this unless there were extenuating circumstances.
He received a ban because he refused to pay up the money.
Yes, if you just suddenly rage-quit and scooped up your cash and stood up to leave, they would not be able to strip you of the money, and while they can ban you, they cant force you to pay the money.
I had a similar situation a few years ago when I made a deposit into my players account, and was accidently given the cash back as well as being credited with having deposited nearly $1k in my account.
I arrived the next day to play, and probably could have made an attempt to claim the cash, but I would have lost for certain because camera's would have seen it all, compared to the verbal action of Hirdys hand, which will not get picked up by the camera.
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The comps were a bunch of things like vouchers for a few of the food joints at Burswood. I dont know the full details because "Hirdy" in this hand I havent had the chance to talk about it with him. Basically, he has stiffed me in a bet that has been in arrears since Round 15? 2010. He owed me 3 cartons of beer (I had paid him when I was 1 down overall a few weeks prior) and we had all of it on the Essendon vs West Coast game at Docklands were LeCras kicked 12, with IIRC two on the match and one on the line were we had a 4 goal head start.
So while trying, I havent managed to talk to him since every comment comes with the "Im working on it" tag.
Havent seen him at Burswood in a while though, probably 12 months. Guy loves his Liverpool and Essendon (Not R+B, or at least I hope
) but honestly, 18 months is a joke.[/mad]
The intent is to deceive by throwing out only a miniscule % of your stack, and while I wouldnt call out anyone that did it either to me or another player, I wouldnt ask you to come down for a beer either.
Its very similar to the Freitez scenario which you were very outspoken about IIRC.
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Did he look anything like this ash?
But seriously, why would you bet beers with someone you presumably know only through the casino? Unless you were betting the value of the slabs seems like it's always going to be a hard bet to collect on.
Having someone owe you at the casino is not a good feeling.
Reminds me of a while ago an AFL player (very recently retired) owed a semi-reg $500 he had (stupidly imo) lent to him at the casino previously. He had apparently tried to collect the debt a few times and been fobbed off after even threatening to ring his manager iirc.
Finally he had had enough and when he saw the player again at the casino he noticed that the players car-keys were next to his chip-stack. He picked up the players keys and said you can pay me before you go and walked back to his table.
He eventually got paid in a pretty aggressive manner by one of the player's friends.
Pretty funny story.
Even better than declaring all in and pushing a stack would be to declare and just throw a few chips in... I agree if you are going to wear headphones you need to take them off every time you are involved in a hand.
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That could be exploited so much by holiday goers - crazy.
Did he look anything like this ash?
But seriously, why would you bet beers with someone you presumably know only through the casino? Unless you were betting the value of the slabs seems like it's always going to be a hard bet to collect on.
Having someone owe you at the casino is not a good feeling.
Reminds me of a while ago an AFL player (very recently retired) owed a semi-reg $500 he had (stupidly imo) lent to him at the casino previously. He had apparently tried to collect the debt a few times and been fobbed off after even threatening to ring his manager iirc.
Finally he had had enough and when he saw the player again at the casino he noticed that the players car-keys were next to his chip-stack. He picked up the players keys and said you can pay me before you go and walked back to his table.
He eventually got paid in a pretty aggressive manner by one of the player's friends.
Pretty funny story.
I used to work for APL, and this player was a regular at two of the pubs I worked at each week. He used to play a lot on the cash tables (yes, WA laws allow cash tables in pub poker, but the fees involved make it an unbeatable game if the pub provider isnt using the game as a loss leader).
Me and another of my fellow employees used to bet sports all the time (He supported Freo and Liverpool, me WCE and United) and always paid up our bets pretty instantly. We agree to kind of let Hirdy in on our bets for the 2010 WC, and I get up a few, we let it roll, I win, I dont get paid in beer.
The guy is a degen, Im not going to get paid, Im kinda at peace at that.
This facebook message kinda summed it up
Ash:
Hey XXXXX.
Just wondering how those 6 cartons are coming along. Are you going to be at NAME OF PUB tonight or States next week? If its easier, Il just pick up $300 ($50x6) rather then actual cartons. If you can't do it all in one go, if you want to pay half now, half later is cool.
Im just trying to chase up all the money/alcohol/stuff that people have borrowed from me over the last few months. If you can let me know would be cool.
Also, 19
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Not 19 yet , still need a point , I can give u at least 50 at states , and the could give nick some brass each fortnight , bit skint got a s**t loads of fines to pay . Or when I win the pro series final this week
Emphasis is mine.
FWIW the 19 is in reference to Manchester Uniteds number of league titles, this conversation was in May last year.
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PPG, it could be exploited by holiday goers, but like most angles and loopholes in society, its only known by a few.
Also, I would presume a ban from Burswood would also be a ban in the other casinos owned by Crown etc...
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http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/crown-can-bust-and-still-not-lose-20120321-1vkdk.html
Article about Crowns new Blackjack Plus where they dealer 22 is a stand off
Pretty sure it was discussed earlier in the thread
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Article about Crowns new Blackjack Plus where they dealer 22 is a stand off
Pretty sure it was discussed earlier in the thread
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I think the tables are pretty easily identifiable as blackjack plus tables.
Yes, players are getting raped (even more so than they were previously) but no one is forcing them to play.
Crown definitely needs some competition though.
Yes, players are getting raped (even more so than they were previously) but no one is forcing them to play.
Crown definitely needs some competition though.
Competition is the real issue.
As mentioned, people dont have to gamble if they dont want too. And its not like they have turned a previous positive sum game into a negative. People who are complaining ZOMG losing money, would have been losing money anyway.
While in a vacuum I would like another casino to compete with Burswood, from a poker perspective losing that additional liquidity with a larger player pool would suck, and a small rake change may not be enough to make up for that.
As mentioned, people dont have to gamble if they dont want too. And its not like they have turned a previous positive sum game into a negative. People who are complaining ZOMG losing money, would have been losing money anyway.
While in a vacuum I would like another casino to compete with Burswood, from a poker perspective losing that additional liquidity with a larger player pool would suck, and a small rake change may not be enough to make up for that.
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Worst Day @ poker Few nights ago.
So I decided to go and play Poker. My Budget was roughly $1k and Had like $40 On the other pocket, so i was walking and decided to start My Night with pontoon which is probarly the first time i played it since 2010 lol I put $15 Bet with $10 On the pontoon Bonus and $15 On Perfect pairs, then Bang I got 9-9 Clubs and it paid me $375 But lost the bet. so I had $390 Now and i decided one more Bet for $90 then My first Buy it for $2/3 would be On the House. So I put $20 Bet + $10 Pontoon + $20 Perfect Pair. Kaboom second Hand was pontoon and it paid 100x. So I had Roughly $1.35k Thank you Crown. So I went Downstairs Relaised That the Buy in is $100-$300 (About Time) and No time Charges which is good and bad In a way. This is how The $1.3k Vanished In less Than One hour. the table i went to was more Like $5/10 Freaking Chips Everywhere and half of the table Had Monkeys on top of their Huge towers, i checked few times If i was in the right table Alot of $2/5 Regular Players Mixed with Gamblers and Omaha Players. I thought oh well if i lose At least there will be entertainment Tonight with these Loose Cannons.
First Buy In $300.
First Hand I get 77 In BB.
Someone Raised to $30 and 6 PLAYERS Called Till it got to me i was Like "Value" lol as i called i was ordering a drink and I saw 4-5-7 On the flop i was like Here we go i have to get involved with these Gamblers so soon. I checked, Initial Raiser Bets $65 Everyone Folds i pushed All in For $260Ish he thinks He calls. Turn is 6... River is 8. He shows 99 FML i Really Liked the Nine's But not anymore.
All Good I say I Just started Hopefully It will turn Around.
Second Buy in $300.
Third Hand After Buy In.
I get QsKs. utg Blind Raises To $20 5 callers then Me ($140 pot already), Not expecting Much Till The flop Comes Qh6s8s, i am like what is this another set up?? UTG Bets $80 Then one Guy Calls then to me i am like F**k it I might be behind If he has KK,AA,QA but i can't Go anywhere and I just want this pot so i shoved for $280, UTG Guy Thinks Thinks Thinks Then calls me all In then it goes to the Live player Three and He Raises to $700 On top UTG guy folds (Both had Like $2k Stacks Each), I am WTF does he has to slow play it Maybe hit a set?? Nut flush Draw???? so i asked Him you got a set and he said No he is Flushing and shows Me 4s5s and it registered Quickly to me Holy s**t I am Ahead and I got a bigger Flush Draw. Turn is 10d and River is 7s. I was Like f****************k Internally But a smile and a tap on the table with a very Low Disappointing Voice "Wow Str8 Flush,Good hand, Nice River" while Thinking I see This once a year fml It had to happen now.
Third Buy In $300.
Many Hands I fold till i pick Up QdKd someone Blind Raises utg to $15 (Every hand was a blind Raise for the last Round), I re-raised Again trying to switch My style to $55 on the go, Table is very rich and it seems i am the only One In the hundreds while almost everyone Hit the k's Already, Chip Leader had Close to $4k, As i expected Most of the table Called Yelling "Value" After the 2 players after me called.lol I don't blame No one sometimes I justify calling a raise with value just to Involve myself In an action where i shouldn't be in. Any way The flop Is QcJd10d, I am abit excited Now But my confidence Is Low due to what bad beats I got But F**k it I am Going for a The Big Royal and i would shove with much more. There is Almost $400 On the Pot and everyone checks to me and i Told myself I have to shove with the pennies I have even though My stack won't even Scare no one Here. so i did... All i Hear was FOLD FOLD AHHH FOLD OHHH GOOD BET I FOLD everyone folds Except This Guy he thinks and thinks and Puts $1 for time to think More and says "I am Way Behind But i will call you to keep you honest" and I am Like Any other day i would love you to call not today My Lead is Not holding Up. So The Turn Is a J AND im like don't do this to me and the river is 10. He turns 10A and im like That is it I am Buying in again But Tighting Up to Plan B which is Pockets Of 10's and over and AK till this Roller coaster swings My way.
Fourth Buy In $300.
First Hand.
My Coffee Arrived Finally, I Look at the first Card Its A, By the Time the dealer comes Again i look at the second Card and Guess what Another A, For a second i blacked out didn't know how to play This hand, Honestly My confidence was shattered. Blind Raise was to $14 and everyone called I was on the button, I shoved Hoping to get one caller and Get back something and have respectable Chips Infront of me . $300 All In With My AA 3 callers. Flop is 229, I am Like it wouldn't suprise me if one of these sick PLAYERS is Holding a 2 In their hand. three of them checks. Next card is a 8. i am Like come on someone Bets if no one has the two the 8 Made it dangerous for str8's. Finally second Player Pumps $400 Into a $1200 Pot, The other two Folds and I am Like Please don't show a 2 and he shows 10-9 and the other Guy says He had also a 9 But Worst Kicker I am Thinking These Sick Gamblers Calling $300 with 9-10 and 9-worst Kicker???, Anyway $1200ish Pot i can smell it i can Feel it I am Getting to square One poker I might forgive you for what torture you have done to me Tonight In the Last 45 Mintues I took another Sip from My coffee waiting for The river Only One Nine Left In the deck. No Nine, Nine No, I SAID NOOOO NINE please.
So The River is THE LAST REMAINING MUDDA F*********N NINE. I couldn't Believe it, i Really clouldn't believe it, How could the small precentage Plays against you in such a quick row??? Everyone said "what a bad Luck you have tonight" Dealer asked "Buying Again", I had My original $1k In my pocket and i stood up and said to the dealer " You heard the table I can't win tonight I have Really Bad Luck" So i sculled My Coffee and Told everyone Good Luck and Jumped In my car and Left. At least I took Money From the casino and spread it around the Poker Grinders.lol
But one Thing Kept Annoying me Could I have Done Anything or played Differently for these 4 Shockers??? or was it Just me being at the wrong Seat in the wrong Table at the wrong Time??? The money is No Issue I Lost what I won in casino and wouldn't care if i also lost my own Money as well But decided to leave Because I just didn't feel Like playing anymore, But have you guys Copped a similar Night before and Do you see The writing On the wall if it happens to you Next time and turns to another Nasty Poker Night????
So I decided to go and play Poker. My Budget was roughly $1k and Had like $40 On the other pocket, so i was walking and decided to start My Night with pontoon which is probarly the first time i played it since 2010 lol I put $15 Bet with $10 On the pontoon Bonus and $15 On Perfect pairs, then Bang I got 9-9 Clubs and it paid me $375 But lost the bet. so I had $390 Now and i decided one more Bet for $90 then My first Buy it for $2/3 would be On the House. So I put $20 Bet + $10 Pontoon + $20 Perfect Pair. Kaboom second Hand was pontoon and it paid 100x. So I had Roughly $1.35k Thank you Crown. So I went Downstairs Relaised That the Buy in is $100-$300 (About Time) and No time Charges which is good and bad In a way. This is how The $1.3k Vanished In less Than One hour. the table i went to was more Like $5/10 Freaking Chips Everywhere and half of the table Had Monkeys on top of their Huge towers, i checked few times If i was in the right table Alot of $2/5 Regular Players Mixed with Gamblers and Omaha Players. I thought oh well if i lose At least there will be entertainment Tonight with these Loose Cannons.
First Buy In $300.
First Hand I get 77 In BB.
Someone Raised to $30 and 6 PLAYERS Called Till it got to me i was Like "Value" lol as i called i was ordering a drink and I saw 4-5-7 On the flop i was like Here we go i have to get involved with these Gamblers so soon. I checked, Initial Raiser Bets $65 Everyone Folds i pushed All in For $260Ish he thinks He calls. Turn is 6... River is 8. He shows 99 FML i Really Liked the Nine's But not anymore.
All Good I say I Just started Hopefully It will turn Around.
Second Buy in $300.
Third Hand After Buy In.
I get QsKs. utg Blind Raises To $20 5 callers then Me ($140 pot already), Not expecting Much Till The flop Comes Qh6s8s, i am like what is this another set up?? UTG Bets $80 Then one Guy Calls then to me i am like F**k it I might be behind If he has KK,AA,QA but i can't Go anywhere and I just want this pot so i shoved for $280, UTG Guy Thinks Thinks Thinks Then calls me all In then it goes to the Live player Three and He Raises to $700 On top UTG guy folds (Both had Like $2k Stacks Each), I am WTF does he has to slow play it Maybe hit a set?? Nut flush Draw???? so i asked Him you got a set and he said No he is Flushing and shows Me 4s5s and it registered Quickly to me Holy s**t I am Ahead and I got a bigger Flush Draw. Turn is 10d and River is 7s. I was Like f****************k Internally But a smile and a tap on the table with a very Low Disappointing Voice "Wow Str8 Flush,Good hand, Nice River" while Thinking I see This once a year fml It had to happen now.
Third Buy In $300.
Many Hands I fold till i pick Up QdKd someone Blind Raises utg to $15 (Every hand was a blind Raise for the last Round), I re-raised Again trying to switch My style to $55 on the go, Table is very rich and it seems i am the only One In the hundreds while almost everyone Hit the k's Already, Chip Leader had Close to $4k, As i expected Most of the table Called Yelling "Value" After the 2 players after me called.lol I don't blame No one sometimes I justify calling a raise with value just to Involve myself In an action where i shouldn't be in. Any way The flop Is QcJd10d, I am abit excited Now But my confidence Is Low due to what bad beats I got But F**k it I am Going for a The Big Royal and i would shove with much more. There is Almost $400 On the Pot and everyone checks to me and i Told myself I have to shove with the pennies I have even though My stack won't even Scare no one Here. so i did... All i Hear was FOLD FOLD AHHH FOLD OHHH GOOD BET I FOLD everyone folds Except This Guy he thinks and thinks and Puts $1 for time to think More and says "I am Way Behind But i will call you to keep you honest" and I am Like Any other day i would love you to call not today My Lead is Not holding Up. So The Turn Is a J AND im like don't do this to me and the river is 10. He turns 10A
and im like That is it I am Buying in again But Tighting Up to Plan B which is Pockets Of 10's and over and AK till this Roller coaster swings My way.Fourth Buy In $300.
First Hand.
My Coffee Arrived Finally, I Look at the first Card Its A, By the Time the dealer comes Again i look at the second Card and Guess what Another A, For a second i blacked out didn't know how to play This hand, Honestly My confidence was shattered. Blind Raise was to $14 and everyone called I was on the button, I shoved Hoping to get one caller and Get back something and have respectable Chips Infront of me . $300 All In With My AA 3 callers. Flop is 229, I am Like it wouldn't suprise me if one of these sick PLAYERS is Holding a 2 In their hand. three of them checks. Next card is a 8. i am Like come on someone Bets if no one has the two the 8 Made it dangerous for str8's. Finally second Player Pumps $400 Into a $1200 Pot, The other two Folds and I am Like Please don't show a 2 and he shows 10-9 and the other Guy says He had also a 9 But Worst Kicker I am Thinking These Sick Gamblers Calling $300 with 9-10 and 9-worst Kicker???, Anyway $1200ish Pot i can smell it i can Feel it I am Getting to square One poker I might forgive you for what torture you have done to me Tonight In the Last 45 Mintues I took another Sip from My coffee waiting for The river Only One Nine Left In the deck. No Nine, Nine No, I SAID NOOOO NINE please.
So The River is THE LAST REMAINING MUDDA F*********N NINE
. I couldn't Believe it, i Really clouldn't believe it, How could the small precentage Plays against you in such a quick row??? Everyone said "what a bad Luck you have tonight" Dealer asked "Buying Again", I had My original $1k In my pocket and i stood up and said to the dealer " You heard the table I can't win tonight I have Really Bad Luck" So i sculled My Coffee and Told everyone Good Luck and Jumped In my car and Left. At least I took Money From the casino and spread it around the Poker Grinders.lolBut one Thing Kept Annoying me Could I have Done Anything or played Differently for these 4 Shockers??? or was it Just me being at the wrong Seat in the wrong Table at the wrong Time??? The money is No Issue I Lost what I won in casino and wouldn't care if i also lost my own Money as well But decided to leave Because I just didn't feel Like playing anymore, But have you guys Copped a similar Night before and Do you see The writing On the wall if it happens to you Next time and turns to another Nasty Poker Night????
Hey Woomera Skp, did the guys who you lost these hands to happen to be Russian?. I think I know someone who might know what happened
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Hey Woomera Skp, did the guys who you lost these hands to happen to be Russian?. I think I know someone who might know what happened
how can you compare computer generated cards to live action? as i've said, happy to lose money if i actually can see it for real...
woomera, you showed probably the best discipline i've ever seen, to just get up and walk away after these extreme bad beats... thats a great effort mate...
sometimes its just not your night.. good and bad things usually happen all at once... i would've continued playing pontoon, you were on a roll, even thou its all luck, you should'nt have walked away... lol
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At least it's never boring when you're at the tables, is it Woomera_skip?
woomera_skp
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Hey Woomera Skp, did the guys who you lost these hands to happen to be Russian?. I think I know someone who might know what happened
Nah.. 2 were to an asian Dude and the other two were to others.
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Thanks Mate.
Yeah It must've been a bad Night, I Just didn't feel Like playing anymore. Pontoon is a very Tilty Game and You need a Lotto Like Luck to Win after few hours of play. I just Got lucky with pontoon But paid dearly for it when i Played Poker.lol Oh well That is how the cookie Crumbles I GUESS. One Thing I learn Though Is poker Can Turn Very Nasty with No Mercy.
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First of all I am incredibly grateful for this thread I have learnt a lot but I have a couple of questions I was really hoping someone could answer; I've never played for 'real' money before, only amongst friends as a social game but I would like to start playing as I have been always interested and would like to learn a bit more.
If anyone could help it would be great.
1) What are the cheapest buy-ins at Crown for normal Texas Hold'em, is it Limited or No Limit and when is a good time to get a seat on one of these games (I don't want to go in only to find out theres no low limit tables or I can't get a seat!)
2) What size bankroll would I want to simply go in and play 1 time and hopefully have a good time, (ie: if 2/3 are the lowest limit games would $100 bankroll be ok or do I need more like $200+).
And how long will this bankroll hopefully get me if I play tight agressive for one sitting (half an hour? 2 hours?)
3) What are the overall conditions like at crown? Will my mediocre level of skill get me thrashed off the table or are things generally competitive?
I'm not going with the intent of winning a living, in fact I realise at least at the start I will rarely win; but I would prefer to have a bit of fun while losing! And with that I guess when are better times for the more inexperienced players to play, is there a time to avoid when the pros/higher players tend to come out?
I would go in and try to find out some of this stuff in person but its a bit of a commute and I know if I went I would most likely get sucked in to play before I have done the proper research!
If anyone could help it would be great.
1) What are the cheapest buy-ins at Crown for normal Texas Hold'em, is it Limited or No Limit and when is a good time to get a seat on one of these games (I don't want to go in only to find out theres no low limit tables or I can't get a seat!)
2) What size bankroll would I want to simply go in and play 1 time and hopefully have a good time, (ie: if 2/3 are the lowest limit games would $100 bankroll be ok or do I need more like $200+).
And how long will this bankroll hopefully get me if I play tight agressive for one sitting (half an hour? 2 hours?)
3) What are the overall conditions like at crown? Will my mediocre level of skill get me thrashed off the table or are things generally competitive?
I'm not going with the intent of winning a living, in fact I realise at least at the start I will rarely win; but I would prefer to have a bit of fun while losing! And with that I guess when are better times for the more inexperienced players to play, is there a time to avoid when the pros/higher players tend to come out?
I would go in and try to find out some of this stuff in person but its a bit of a commute and I know if I went I would most likely get sucked in to play before I have done the proper research!
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1) $80-$200 $1/2 NLHE you'll get a seat quickly except Friday/Saturday nightbetween 10-12.
2) I would bring at least 2 decently sized buy-ins so min of 2 x $150 = $300. You don't want to let one suck out ruin your experience.
3) the standard is terrible so don't worry. Just make sure you know when it's your turn to act and you'll be fine.
Good luck. Try and get to the casino about 7pm Saturday for max inexperienced players.
2) I would bring at least 2 decently sized buy-ins so min of 2 x $150 = $300. You don't want to let one suck out ruin your experience.
3) the standard is terrible so don't worry. Just make sure you know when it's your turn to act and you'll be fine.
Good luck. Try and get to the casino about 7pm Saturday for max inexperienced players.
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i wouldn't worry too much about the standard.
you just gotta remember people haven't left their homes for several hours to come to the casino and just fold. the vast majority are there to gamble and they will, so you can't let yourself get tilted when you get beaten by a guy who calls your 6 x BB raise with 68o etc,.
you just gotta remember people haven't left their homes for several hours to come to the casino and just fold. the vast majority are there to gamble and they will, so you can't let yourself get tilted when you get beaten by a guy who calls your 6 x BB raise with 68o etc,.
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Perfect, all i wanted to know; thanks a lot mate!
ALSO though, whats the rake on those games and is there a time fee? (like $x per hour just to play?)
Oh and is there any etiquette i need to be aware of? How often should i tip the dealer and how much?
haha! well overall I'm excited as it sounds like pretty good/exciting conditions, also if things are that loose then is sounds like a perhaps winnable game (probably the only one in crown!), time to study up and hope for good luck!
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No time fee for $1/2 afaik, but the rake is pretty heavy and you'll definitely notice it if you play a lot. That and people playing really short make it a tough game to beat in the long run.
You can't tip the dealer but you can tip waiters. Trust me you won't want to tip 90% of them because the service is that bad.
As far as etiquette goes, just know that if you are the last aggressor in a hand you turn your hand over first, and if you call and have the best hand, turn your hand over without a significant delay after having seen theirs. Also, don't talk about what you have/had whilst a hand is still in progress.
Play with what you can afford to lose and as b_t has said, don't get aggressive if some idiot makes some crazy move against you and ends up winning. Just have fun.
Let us know how you go.
You can't tip the dealer but you can tip waiters. Trust me you won't want to tip 90% of them because the service is that bad.
As far as etiquette goes, just know that if you are the last aggressor in a hand you turn your hand over first, and if you call and have the best hand, turn your hand over without a significant delay after having seen theirs. Also, don't talk about what you have/had whilst a hand is still in progress.
Play with what you can afford to lose and as b_t has said, don't get aggressive if some idiot makes some crazy move against you and ends up winning. Just have fun.
Let us know how you go.
AustralianTom
Draftee
- Apr 8, 2012
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Thanks a lot, I don't think I'm going to be able to get down to play for a few weeks yet namely because I don't have much time and I need to get a fair bit better first.
When you say that its a tough game to beat in the long run (the $1/$2) do you see the $2/$3 as more 'beatable' simply because players are deeper stacked? Or is the rake actually less in those bigger games?
Also in regard to rake I had a question someone might be able to help me with.
Say there is 2 people left in a pot of $30, (hence current 10% rake would take $3), but then Player 1 raises by $70 and Player 2 folds.
Does the pot now become $100 (original $30 + raise $70) and hence is the rake now $10 or does the pot remain $30 and hence rake is $3.
I only ask because if it is the former then Player 1 has effectively just lost $7 for nothing...
My current plan is to play Friday 2 weeks from today or the Saturday day-after. This weekend is busy as anything and I've got one of my cousin's weddings down the coast all next weekend, but yeah nothing set in stone right now and i could very well end up not playing at crown for quite a few weeks. I am more just playing online, reading up on stuff and slowly improving right now.
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