Crown Perth (formerly Burswood) Casino - Part 2

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Do you have to pre register for those tournys or do you just rock up? I haven't played live before and I want to play the first one in April.

Also do they run really late into the night? Cheers.
It has late rego through to the end of the 2nd level i believe. So just rock up. Starts at 6:30 and the blind structure is pretty hectic, so you want to get there close to the star and try to build a stack quick to survive the all in fest that it becomes (so you can wait for hands as opposed to push any A in the hole)

If you make final table, it normally wraps up about midnight at the absolute latest
 

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It has late rego through to the end of the 2nd level i believe. So just rock up. Starts at 6:30 and the blind structure is pretty hectic, so you want to get there close to the star and try to build a stack quick to survive the all in fest that it becomes (so you can wait for hands as opposed to push any A in the hole)

If you make final table, it normally wraps up about midnight at the absolute latest
Ok thanks alot. I think I'll get there early by the sounds of that.
 

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late rego up to the end of the first break now - which would be 7.40 ?

3 x 20 min blinds + 10 min break ?

midnight is about right - but ive been on a few final tables that have pushed 1am

depends on the skill level of players that make it through to the end - the better the players generally the longer the final two tables go

everyone clinging on for that extra $20 lol
 

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also you have to be a crown club member to play tourneys now

you used to be able to get away without it - but now you cant

so allow time to sign up for that on your first visit
 

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Another thing. Are there any Poker Room rules at Crown that are out of the ordinary I need to know about?
 

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Hopefully fireballs didn't go down this week as there was day 1b of the accumulator on.

Strat question

Two day accumulator for a wsopap seat.

15k start bank end of day ave stack is 29k 23/45 left

How many chips do you need before not playing day 1b (and paying 1k again)
 

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Nah I made sure I checked the website for the schedule. Will be going this Wednesday.

Going to be a bit nerve racking for my 1st time. I do pretty well online but live will be a different story.
 

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Hopefully fireballs didn't go down this week as there was day 1b of the accumulator on.

Strat question

Two day accumulator for a wsopap seat.

15k start bank end of day ave stack is 29k 23/45 left

How many chips do you need before not playing day 1b (and paying 1k again)
It's a bit like whether to take an add-on, except that you also get a day of play to build it at low blinds. If the prize structure was standard, I'd say you always play 1b, but with a flat satellite structure (and being already fairly close to the seats) there is probably a point at which ICM says you're wasting your money. Do you have a decent calculator? Are the prizes 10k seats only, or are they packages?
 

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13k packages

Ended up not playing day 1b, luckily i qualified anyway but we dealt and I settled for a 10k seat rather then 13k package
 

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Nice job. So what was your stack at the end of 1a, and did you do any ICM calcs? I guess you need to find out what increase in chip stack at the end of Day 1a will increase your equity by $1000 (which for a big stack will always be over starting stack), and then estimate the likelihood that you would make that stack by the end of 1b. It's going to be marginal when the structure is so flat.
 

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63k I was second in chips at the end of day 1a leader had 69k I think

Both of us didn't play three people went past us on the leaderboard by playing a second day with 25, 35 and 40 each and running it up.

Talked to some people most thought skip day
 

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So how was the structure of the tourney?

If you skipped day 1b, you had to pay another 1K to play again?

Do you play multiple day 1's and then on day 2 all your chips get into 1 stack?
 

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It costs 1k to play day 1a

When u finish you can pay 1k to play day 1b as well

If you do play both days and survive both days you combine your stack for day 2.

Basically a 63k stack is going to be worth X in tournament equity.

The important thing is can I add 1k to x by paying 1k additional to the prize pool often enough to make it worthwhile
 
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What's the prize structure for the $50 wednesday night tournament? How many people do they get there? How many cash and how much for the winner?
 

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Was talking to Dominik Nitsche who is a much smarter person than me during sydney main and he believes you shouldnt play again if you already have a stack in day 2

He also said the only exception to this is for something like this WSOP event where the field is so extremely soft it can be worthwhile

I think in satts you should never play day 1b if you have something reasonable (like above 8bb) and for smaller field tournaments its also not advised (where the variance is smaller, because with the second bullet you kill some of your deep run equity)

In general long term its bad, but with live variance being so big and the +ev of enjoying poker then playing to accumulate in some events is fine
 

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Ah you sure he is talking accumulators and not repecharge events where you can forfeit your stack to play again?
 

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What's the prize structure for the $50 wednesday night tournament? How many people do they get there? How many cash and how much for the winner?
Normally about 18-19 cash (based on about 200 entries)

1st place is normally around the $1700 mark
 

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My housemates have been away from home for a few days, so by sitting around bored, and not wanting to have to clean the house, I have put in about 30 hours of live poker since Friday night, for some pretty good results. Some funny hands

Very first hand I sit down 5/5 1k most are playing around 1k

Someone straddles, Russian guy (RG) makes it I think 25. I wake up AA in the BB, and elect to flat because I am fairly certain that the straddler looked like he was raising. Straddle flats

Flop Q74

I check, a check, RG bets 40, I call straddle folds

Turn J

I check, he bets 85, I call

River 2

I decide that a big bet would look pretty bluffy, and I didn't want to have him check back a Jx hand. I bet 300, he folds claiming he would have three barreled. I keep that in mind because he strikes me as the spewy type.

A few hands later

I raise to 20 (hand at the end, its funnier that way) a call, RG is the SB and makes it 60, I call, and a fold so we are heads up

FLOP: $150: K64 with a flush draw

He bets 80, I call

TURN: $310: K flush misses (the king of the flush is on board)

He checks, I bet 115, he thinks for a bit and calls

RIVER: $540: Ace and the flush hits (spades)

He checks, I bet 310, he tanks for a long time and makes it 700, I call

SHOWDOWN: $1940: He rolls T7hh for a complete airball and a turn float, I turn over 65dd for a pair of 6's

Funnily enough I was bluffing on the river, I thought it was a really good card to bluff and get him to fold TT, JJ kind of hands that he 3bet preflop. However, when he raises, he no longer has those kind of hands in his range (he would call or fold). Once we remove those middling type of hands, we are left with two types of hands, premiums and weak hands.

Most of the premium holdings are going to bet the turn, such as Kx hands, flush draws that are now flushes (he is aggro) and the sets (I can see him checking them sometimes though when he books up). In fact, as far as I see it, the only premium hand that check calls the turn and check/raises the river is exactly AA, since when he doesn't have a king it makes me more likely to have one and between that, and bluffing, checkraising is likely optimal. The air hands, while I didn't expect him to have a complete airball that often, would also include a number of weak made hands he might turn into a bluff vs me, most of which I beat but some that I lose to as well.

Based on that, and the amazingly good price I was getting on a call, led me to call and win a nice pot.

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The next day, I run 500 up to 1600 pretty quickly in about 3 hours. However, I lose a few nasty pots, with the centerpiece being

I raise BB after a plethora of limps with AK to 40 and get called in two spots

FLOP: 140: K73

I check to checkraise an agro old dude he is after me after sticking it in with a OESD vs my kings for lots. However, he checks back

TURN: J flush draw on board

I bet 65, a fold, old agro dude makes it 275. I tank, debate whether to shove now for the remaining 300 or let him bluff it off. I end up calling to let him bluff (probably a mistake given stack sizes). Anyway, river is a repeat jack, he shoves, I sigh call, he has J9o

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Irish guy defend his BB after I raise to 25 and we see a flop HU

FLOP: 65: AK4 with a flush draw

He bets 40, I call with KQ and a backdoor flush draw

TURN: 145: Q offsuit

He jams 350, I assume he has Ax often and call. He has JTo for the turned two outer (I don't give him any money if he hits the Q of the flush, and I have a Q and miss the river.

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Same Irish guy opens to 15, after his usual open had been to 26 most of the night. A call, and I 3bet the button to 55 without looking at my cards (if there is a spot where I would 3bet 80ish% of the time, then I generally 3bet dark, but obviously pretend to look at my cards. Irish calls, other guy calls

FLOP: 175: J72 with diamonds

Irish donks 60 into 175, other guy folds, I wake up with 32hh (backdoor flush) I elect to call and play position/play like a fish

TURN: 295: J flush hits

He bets 110 very deliberately. At this point, I remember back to the other hand where he nuked the nuts, presumably in fear of the flush draw. I assume most the good kind of hands (weak flushes, Jx) will be scared of either a 4th heart or another repeat, so he would nuke those hands. So again, I elect to call planning to bluff a 4th heart but otherwise try to get to showdown

RIVER: 9o

He bets enough to put me all in (275) I decide that nothing really changed, he wouldn't bet if he was bluffing a gutshot and hit a 9, so again, the only hands that make sense so to speak would be J7, J2, 77, T8 that got there for premium hands. Again, I get a decent price, and call, and he has KQo and I win with a pair of twos.

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There were some other hands, including a funny one where I tank call the river with Ax on a AJx x x board. My opponent shrugs and says he hasn't got much, and rolls AJ...

Will look to play a lot more hours after exams next week
 

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I have noticed there is a lot less people playing poker at Crown Perth

From the half a dozen times I have been back doesnt seem to be too much of a change, but the room is always slightly busier in summer/autumn then winter (getting out of bed is harder obviously)

Anyway, Sapphire Series tournaments have started. Bricked the opening event $330 freezeout but came second in the teams event. I was going to play, then decided not to because of life stuff, then played so luckily found a team-mate at short notice and away we went.

The funniest part of the tournament was at the final table, you were given a "timeout" card. With the card, you could call over your team mate and discuss your hand and what to do next. Our use was pretty standard (my team-mate asked if 3bet jamming 9s was good close to the bubble vs a relatively EP raise) but the two funny ones.

1) I open with rags in the HJ 2x. CO decides to use his card playing about 8bb. While walking over to his partner, he verbally says loud enough so I can hear that he has AK, and is contemplating whether he has fold equity. They talk, come back, he says call, then she looks at him weird, and then he says sorry I meant shove. It gets ruled a shove (I didnt kick up a stink)

He probably couldnt, but if he did that with cheese would be the greatest level ever

2) Someone shoves the CO, and the button (two old guys) use the card to discuss their hand. After about a minutes deliberation they kind of nod, and the player comes back to the table. At this point, after having discussed the hand, he asks how much is the all in for, and how much is in the pot.
 

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lol

forgot that was on yesterday - nice one !

might play tonight and tomorrow

cant commit to the main events - can never be there the entire schedule

damn life stuff
 
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