List Mgmt. Crows Defence

[George CantStandYa]

I mean, if the cost is two firsts next year, I’m still telling the Dees to get ****ed

I can see it maybe being a first and an F2, particularly if young Jefferson comes on for them and our first is likely to be behind a Welsh bid

Ideally it’s a F1

 

[Scorpus]

I mean, if the cost is two firsts next year, I’m still telling the Dees to get ****ed

I can see it maybe being a first and an F2, particularly if young Jefferson comes on for them and our first is likely to be behind a Welsh bid

I think it would depend on whether we make finals or not.

Our first rounder after making finals won't be amazing, but handing over a top 10 pick for him in a midfield-heavy draft? Not sure about that

 

[1990crow]

He's only had limited games as a forward... but is a genuine swing man.

He's a quality player, so if he wants to come home, we will grab him.

We just shouldn't be paying crazy overs & may need to wait till the end of his contract if Dees go all SOS on us.

If Petty comes I want to primarily play him back.

Thilthorpe, Fogarty and Welsh should be the priority.
Tex may yet even play into 2025.
And I suspect Hayward is coming. So spots up forward will be locked in beside Rankine.

 

[1990crow]

Ideally it’s a F1

Depends who's available. If there's an A grade midfielder floating about we should priortise them over Petty and wait for free agency

 

[Danger in Texas]

I think it would depend on whether we make finals or not.

Our first rounder after making finals won't be amazing, but handing over a top 10 pick for him in a midfield-heavy draft? Not sure about that

Fair, but if Welsh is ranked say, top 5, it’s gonna be tough to get ahead of that bid, even if we hold pick 8 or 9. Look at what the Dogs gave up for 5 this year

 

[George CantStandYa]

Depends who's available. If there's an A grade midfielder floating about we should priortise them over Petty and wait for free agency

I mean use our 1st next year on a mid, trade for Petty with a 2025 first

 

[Scorpus]

Fair, but if Welsh is ranked say, top 5, it’s gonna be tough to get ahead of that bid, even if we hold pick 8 or 9. Look at what the Dogs gave up for 5 this year

If we had a decent pick I think the better play would be trading into the following year, then grabbing Petty as a free agent

 

[1990crow]

I mean use our 1st next year on a mid, trade for Petty with a 2025 first

If there's an A grade midfielder available we would only be able to get one - would cost two first rounders

 

[George CantStandYa]

If there's an A grade midfielder available we would only be able to get one - would cost two first rounders

Oh I’m talking drafting one l, you’re suggesting trade

 

[1990crow]

If we had a decent pick I think the better play would be trading into the following year, then grabbing Petty as a free agent

Or trading the pick for a ready made midfielder to complement an already young group (Pedlar, Rachele, Edwards, Soligo, Dowling).

 

[1990crow]

Oh I’m talking drafting one l, you’re suggesting trade

Yes. Trade. Haggis has said drafting is done. Now it's trades and free agency. And I agree.
We should have the salary cap too, evident by Oliver rumour.

 

[Danger in Texas]

If we had a decent pick I think the better play would be trading into the following year, then grabbing Petty as a free agent

Yeah ultimately there’s a lot of factors still to play out re: which route we take

Obviously I’d prefer we grab Petty as a FA anyway, but there’s always the risk of the player changing their mind, once they’re OOC. See Daniher/Sydney and Dunkley/Essendon

 

[George CantStandYa]

Yes. Trade. Haggis has said drafting is done. Now it's trades and free agency. And I agree.
We should have the salary cap too, evident by Oliver rumour.

If we can grab one, definitely. They said we’d be bringing in players this year too.

Ideally free agents so can retain draft capital. Just chuck out some monster contract to McGluggage.

 

[1990crow]

If we can grab one, definitely. They said we’d be bringing in players this year too.

Ideally free agents so can retain draft capital. Just chuck out some monster contract to McGluggage.

Tough to get a player to leave a side very close to winning flag(s).
But yeah a free agent top class mid would simplify things.

 

[Geoffa32]

What?

Max pretty much shut down nearly every dangerous forward he played on this year. Think he had only 1 poor game.

Did he play on the small forwards though? I recall him being pretty good against big guys too.


Max was brilliant for a first year defender. But I recall him playing more on bigger guys.


I kind of think he is too good to play that "Luke Brown" role long term.


As you said/ eluded to on another post. Do you need that kind of defender anyway.


Maybe not.

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[Golumless]

Did he play on the small forwards though? I recall him being pretty good against big guys too.


Max was brilliant for a first year defender. But I recall him playing more on bigger guys.


I kind of think he is too good to play that "Luke Brown" role long term.


As you said/ eluded to on another post. Do you need that kind of defender anyway.


Maybe not.

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Yup. He was our match up against every teams primary small forward. Heck, we famously debuted him against Toby Greene of all people and this was the description for his emerging talent award:

A trademark of Michalanney’s debut season was his ability to play on the best small forwards in the competition, showing maturity and composure beyond his years.

With needing that kind of 'Luke Brown' defender, I think it's more a case of opportunity cost then necessity. In that, back pocket isn't worth it as a position to look at upgrading if you've got a guy who can do a reasonable job against the top tier small forwards. If you get a guy who can do that to a reasonable degree and hurt the other way? take it and run.

 

[George CantStandYa]

Yup. He was our match up against every teams primary small forward. Heck, we famously debuted him against Toby Greene of all people and this was the description for his emerging talent award:

A trademark of Michalanney’s debut season was his ability to play on the best small forwards in the competition, showing maturity and composure beyond his years.

With needing that kind of 'Luke Brown' defender, I think it's more a case of opportunity cost than necessity. In that, back pocket isn't worth it as a position to look at upgrading if you've got a guy who can do a reasonable job against the top tier small forwards. If you get a guy who can do that to a reasonable degree and hurt the other way? take it and run.

He clearly played on the small forwards, if it wasn’t him who did? Not sure what Geoff is on about here

 

[DJ75]

Rotating Curtin with Dawson as midfielder/forwards with the likes of Pedlar, Rachele, Soligo & Taylor...

Imagine rotating Dawson and Curtin as half back/mids. Would be incredible.

 

[MRB37]

I mean, if the cost is two firsts next year, I’m still telling the Dees to get ****ed

I can see it maybe being a first and an F2, particularly if young Jefferson comes on for them and our first is likely to be behind a Welsh bid

It's basically the same us when we traded Dangerfield. You only offer slightly better than the compensation they'd receive if they were to wait another year and lose him as a Free Agent. Do you want to get pick 16 for him as compensation for losing him as a FA, or do you want to get pick 12-14 + some sweeteners now while you can control the outcome?

 

[Jarman3]

0% chance.

Expect we will trade him to GWS next year.

Won't he be a UFA next year? I wouldn't be expecting the AFL to do us any favours with the compensation, either.

 

[DJ75]

Fair, but if Welsh is ranked say, top 5, it’s gonna be tough to get ahead of that bid, even if we hold pick 8 or 9. Look at what the Dogs gave up for 5 this year

If we are even half smart he will be in the 20's at the highest by the time the draft comes around.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Yup. He was our match up against every teams primary small forward. Heck, we famously debuted him against Toby Greene of all people and this was the description for his emerging talent award:

A trademark of Michalanney’s debut season was his ability to play on the best small forwards in the competition, showing maturity and composure beyond his years.

With needing that kind of 'Luke Brown' defender, I think it's more a case of opportunity cost then necessity. In that, back pocket isn't worth it as a position to look at upgrading if you've got a guy who can do a reasonable job against the top tier small forwards. If you get a guy who can do that to a reasonable degree and hurt the other way? take it and run.

No, we didn't debut him on Toby Greene, which was a big mistake as Greene was BOG.

I was wanting him to play on Greene for this very reason, even though his debut.

From week 2, he usually picked up the opposition's most dangerous small forward,

 

[Geoffa32]

Yup. He was our match up against every teams primary small forward. Heck, we famously debuted him against Toby Greene of all people and this was the description for his emerging talent award:

A trademark of Michalanney’s debut season was his ability to play on the best small forwards in the competition, showing maturity and composure beyond his years.

With needing that kind of 'Luke Brown' defender, I think it's more a case of opportunity cost then necessity. In that, back pocket isn't worth it as a position to look at upgrading if you've got a guy who can do a reasonable job against the top tier small forwards. If you get a guy who can do that to a reasonable degree and hurt the other way? take it and run.

My memory failing me?

I guess we do have our dependable small defender.



Unless he is too good and moves elsewhere. Something I think could happen.

I agree rarely beaten just thought he played more on bigger guys.


I was never being negative towards his quality. He slotted into our best 22 like he already had 100 games up.

Just his role.

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[BRL121]

Won't he be a UFA next year? I wouldn't be expecting the AFL to do us any favours with the compensation, either.

It will be GWS who don't do us any more favours by paying him a huge salary.
However, his compo will only go towards matching Welsh, so no big deal.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

How do we fit them all in?

Even more so with that rumour about Luko joining us as well. Makes it even harder.

Luko would be crazy to leave GC with their list