Crows delist 5

[lincsPJ]

So what are you saying, we can be all self righteous as long as the player in question isn't one of our elites. So if McLeod did a Huddo and broke curfew by 30 minutes, he would have also been given a smack on the bot bot and sent to bed without supper.

My point is, if Pfeiffer was delisted for poor off field behaviour then it's a complete sanctimonous joke.

but did mcleod break curfew? would he? has he? if he did, he would pay the price.

someone who breaks team rules (which were surely laid down pretty clearly) isnt showing respect for the club or their teammates.

we can only speculate on why pfeiffer was delisted. he has played 0 games in 2 yrs. has an "average off-field record" as portrated by the media. there may be more to it... we'll probably never know.

 

[hugecannon]

It's a little unfair to make comparisons to Peiffer with Vince, Douglas & Knights. Vince and Knights are both playing in a much, much, much better team than Peiffer is which always helps to make your form look better, and I don't think that Douglas neccessarily outplayed him by any sort of margin regulary, he's unlucky, not as unlucky as Torney who's been shafted.

It's a bit of a joke to me that Jericho & Doughty stay and those two go, but I hope we redraft him or at least rookie him, he's got talent it's up to us to harness that talent and get the most out of it, that's why I thought we appointed development officers and the like.

 

[Crow Envy]

The issue with all of this is what does the club have to gain by keeping Doughty? And what did the club have to lose by keeping Pfeiffer on for another year? If the club is serious about developing the team Doughty should only be playing if everyone else is injured, and play about 4 games. Hence he is a nothing player, however they could have given Pfeiffer 4 games, in that time we would know if he is going to make it, if he turns out to be a player, we have a player for 10 years. What will we have by keeping Doughty on? A nothing player.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

With the loss of Torney, Mattner and Hudson where does this leave our aggressive/tough player stocks - desperately thin I would have thought. The only real aggressive players we now have on our list are Thomson and errrr.................................

I will put money on Port picking up Torney in the national draft or pre-season draft.

 

[Robfan100]

sucks that they got rid of bodey for no aparent reason

I've confiscated the keyboard from matt.

Sarge - thanks for all the games, tries, hard gets. well done. No one can fault your efforts.

torns - such a tough call. I love your re-bound. Probably called a two season or two too early. A great ability to read the play and kick miraculous goals. Will be sadly missed.

Bodey - what can I say. You're a legend. No. 1 tackler who threw his body around like there was no tomorrow. Sadly, there isn't. Thanks for all of your efforts. You're a legend. We'll still follow you in the sanfl.

We're keeping jericho et al on our lists because obviously he shows a lot more potential/talent than any of the ones who were delisted (cough, cough).

Bodey and Torns have more courage and skill in their little finger. At least these guys knew how to tackle effectively and throw their body in. There are ones I'd have chosen well before Torns and Bodey.

Thanks heaps Matty, Torns and Sarge. Well played.

 

[bus24]

I will put money on Port picking up Torney in the national draft or pre-season draft.

Haven't they got a truckload of HBF's though and that was the reason the unloaded one to us for a speculative late 20's draft pick?

 

[Brett_Burton_#24]

The anger should be directed at Pfeiffer not the club.

He had the good fortune of being drafted by a club in his own state, which virtually every draftee would give Stiffy's left testicle for.

But no - rather than apply himself and maximize his opportunity, he preferred to be a piss-head and get into strife repeatedly.

Good riddance.

IMO he'll get picked up - maybe even by Port Adelaide - in either the national draft or the PSD. For his sake one can only hope that the piss-head realizes that he would then be on his last chance.

That's 2 bloody failures from Norwood - Gibson and Pfeiffer. I think we should avoid drafting from that club.

I feel sorry for Torney but as I posted several times once we picked up Symes, that spelt the end for Torney, for no other reason than we will be going through a mini rebuild even though the club won't admit it.

Thanks for being a real man Jason - you gave it 100% every time you trod on the oval.

Perrie and Bode have been let down by their bodies and their time has come, while Hinge just hasn't shown anything special that demanded he stay on the list.

Torney deserves our sympathy and thanks, Pfeiffer our contempt.

Brilliantly said macca, totally agree with all of it

 

[Dogga79]

Brilliantly said macca, totally agree with all of it

And I will second that. Well said!

 

[Punchy Bassett]

Nope I am sorry I have had the whole of an Adelaide United 4-1 win to calm down and I am still as shitty as hell. How the **** can this club justify dumping Jason Torney whilst DUDS like Jericho and Doughty remain on our list. Its a ****ing joke. John Reid and the boys club just resign now please.

 

[tinman]

You can teach a player disclipine, and you can give him a taste of it and make him want it - but you can't teach talent.

Pfeiffer better be re-listed..

The club has had the guy on the list for 2 years. They can teach all they want, but the player has to be listening.

The coaching panel at the club would be in a far better position to know if they were getting through or not. If the answer is NO, then I have absolutely no problems with letting him go. Sure it is disappointing as he has talent, but give someone else a go that's prepared to put in.

As for BOG every week......how many Magarey votes did he poll? Wasn't it 2? Is that a conspiracy or is someone here having a lend of us all about his form? Don't they award 3 per game for a BOG?

 

[mymansyd]

Nope I am sorry I have had the whole of an Adelaide United 4-1 win to calm down and I am still as shitty as hell. How the **** can this club justify dumping Jason Torney whilst DUDS like Jericho and Doughty remain on our list. Its a ****ing joke. John Reid and the boys club just resign now please.

I'm not so much against ending Torney's career, but I am pretty miffed that Jericho/Doughty have been kept on ahead of him. I think the AFC gets too hung up on contracts. Not sure about Jericho, but the fact that Doughty is contracted to the end of 2008 shouldn't have mattered. He is no longer worth his spot on our list ahead of another developing kid. Just pay him out, and be done with it.

 

[lincsPJ]

As for BOG every week......how many Magarey votes did he poll? Wasn't it 2? Is that a conspiracy or is someone here having a lend of us all about his form? Don't they award 3 per game for a BOG?

those umpires need a "brain transplant". they obviously know nothing about football and are complete idiots. a future "champion of the afl" is pfeiffer.

 

[bus24]

Another first round pick down the toilet though.

Looks like I've got on the right Bandwagon with Douglas Don't worry, he'll make it

2000 - 2005

2000 - Angwin (#7)
2001 - Reilly (#12)
2002 - N/A (Thanks Wayne)
2003 - Watts (#14)
2004 - Meesen (#8)
2005 - Douglas (#16), Pfeiffer (#17)

2/6 are still on the list.

Reilly looked very doubtful for a long period of time and while I consider Douglas an absolute certainty, he's still just a kid.

Massive questions over the recruiting. I hope Rendell hasn't spend all year "having a laugh" and has actually found some good kids.

Moral of the story: Just draft from Calder

 

[Stiffy_18]

The anger should be directed at Pfeiffer not the club.

He had the good fortune of being drafted by a club in his own state, which virtually every draftee would give Stiffy's left testicle for.

But no - rather than apply himself and maximize his opportunity, he preferred to be a piss-head and get into strife repeatedly.

Good riddance.

IMO he'll get picked up - maybe even by Port Adelaide - in either the national draft or the PSD. For his sake one can only hope that the piss-head realizes that he would then be on his last chance.

That's 2 bloody failures from Norwood - Gibson and Pfeiffer. I think we should avoid drafting from that club.

I feel sorry for Torney but as I posted several times once we picked up Symes, that spelt the end for Torney, for no other reason than we will be going through a mini rebuild even though the club won't admit it.

Thanks for being a real man Jason - you gave it 100% every time you trod on the oval.

Perrie and Bode have been let down by their bodies and their time has come, while Hinge just hasn't shown anything special that demanded he stay on the list.

Torney deserves our sympathy and thanks, Pfeiffer our contempt.

Nail. Hammer. Head.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Another first round pick down the toilet though.

Looks like I've got on the right Bandwagon with Douglas Don't worry, he'll make it

2000 - 2005

2000 - Angwin (#7)
2001 - Reilly (#12)
2002 - N/A (Thanks Wayne)
2003 - Watts (#14)
2004 - Meesen (#8)
2005 - Douglas (#16), Pfeiffer (#17)

2/6 are still on the list.

Reilly looked very doubtful for a long period of time and while I consider Douglas an absolute certainty, he's still just a kid.

Massive questions over the recruiting. I hope Rendell hasn't spend all year "having a laugh" and has actually found some good kids.

Moral of the story: Just draft from Calder

Haha!

 

[King Elvis]

With the loss of Torney, Mattner and Hudson where does this leave our aggressive/tough player stocks - desperately thin I would have thought. The only real aggressive players we now have on our list are Thomson and errrr.................................

I will put money on Port picking up Torney in the national draft or pre-season draft.

Already bought up by a few of us as a serious concern - throw Roo into that mix as a hard player gone.

We now look like we lack some big, strong, hard bodies who are willing to crash in as hard as possible at every chance.

I hope we get an opportunity to farewell Torney properly, he bloody deserves it.

The Pfeiffer delist annoys me because of his obvious potential, but I concede their are other concerns - but Torney did absolutely everything asked of him.

If our new policy is to delist non-gun players over thirty, then it's a rubbish policy, and it's an easy way out.

Pfeiffer = annoying, but at least partly understandable.

Torney = bullshit.

 

[Punchy Bassett]

I'm not so much against ending Torney's career, but I am pretty miffed that Jericho/Doughty have been kept on ahead of him. I think the AFC gets too hung up on contracts. Not sure about Jericho, but the fact that Doughty is contracted to the end of 2008 shouldn't have mattered. He is no longer worth his spot on our list ahead of another developing kid. Just pay him out, and be done with it.

Yeah thats what I am pissed about, fine start rebuilding or whatever but if you are going to do that do it properly, Jericho and Doughty will not do anything for the future of this club.

 

[bus24]

Yeah thats what I am pissed about, fine start rebuilding or whatever but if you are going to do that do it properly, Jericho and Doughty will not do anything for the future of this club.

Doughty was saved by his contract. But really....why not delist him anyway?

He can't be on a lot of money and he's going to struggle to get a game next year anyway. The kids will be ahead of him and rightfully so. He'll be spending a lot/all of his time at Noarlunga.

Jericho.....well I can't work it out.

 

[Farmy]

With regards to rendell saying we would laugh about it in future, perhaps we will, perhaps he knows something we don't know with regards to who we are going to draft this year and the quality of said players we are going to draft.

Oh and drummond, please remove Adelaide from the club part of your avatar, you are clearly not a crows supporter. All you do is complain and abuse other people on this forum when they don't agree with you.

Do everyone a faviour and go for a long dive into the Port River.

 

[fightingdreamer88]

I don't get it, he was named BEST ON GROUND and yet wasn't dominating? What more can he do? He played in defence and was our best and it's still not enough for some experts who wouldn't have even seen the game.

How about play more than a few weeks of good football in his entire time at the club? How about actually standing head and shoulders above the rest instead of being named the best of a bad bunch? You tore strips off Richard Douglas, you tore strips off Bernie Vince, yet both have gone on to do more than Darren Pfeiffer.

 

[21knights]

if we delisted Jericho & Doughty then we'd have no one to delist next year

I kinda wanted Doughty to go but we have to delist three next year right?

 

[Crow-mo]

Jason Torney is gone because of his age not talent. Darren Pfeiffer is gone because of attitude not talent.

Jason Torney will not be redrafted simply because we are now entering a rebuilding phase of our football club.

been saying this for days, pretty obviously, though the club seems not to be admitting it - yet.

are they going to be telling the season ticket holders they've given up on 2008?

 

[Crow-mo]

Maybe he really is so stupid or disinterested in AFL that he'll do as you suggest and rant, rave and blame every one but himself for not being rewarded with a game and getting de-listed. And he can repeat the performance all again when he is not picked up in the draft.

and yet the club is blameless? it made the right decision to draft, did 100% the right things to develop him - and he refused to be helped?

seems like more wine turned into water

 

[Macca19]

I think some people are being a bit harsh on his on field form. Last year he missed 3 1/2 months of the season with injury and when he came back he played pretty well.

This year, in my opinion, he would have almost been in the Round 1 team if he didnt get his jaw broken at a pub. His fault? Club said no, he said no. Should he have been there? Maybe. Then he got Glandular Fever. THen when he came back into the side he played exceptionally well before staying out 20 minutes too late.

There is no doubt that his off field dramas would have been dissapointing for the club and for him. Just as an outsiders opinion, I think he has the talent to succeed as an AFL footballer. He just has to get the application right. Hopefully for his sake he'll realise that these chances dont come around to many people and he can get his head right and do everything he can to make the most of the rest of his career. Id love for Port to pick him up...I think he is why we chased his pick for the Damon White trade. As I said earlier, I wouldnt be surprised if you guys do redraft him if hes still available later on/PSD/RD.

If the club is happy that it did everything in its powers to get his head right and get him focused then they will feel correct in letting him go. Still...its a big decision to let go a talented first round draft pick. Only time will tell.

I cant believe the amount of issues you guys have had with first round draft picks though. There are only two that have made it - Burton and Reilly. Douglas looks likely. Sellar is up in the air. 2 success stories in 15 years of drafting is ridiculous. Yet your later drafting is arguably the best in the league and your trading over the years has been good as well. Why are your first round draft picks not making it?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I think the Crows were right to delist Torney, as much as it pains me to say it. He has been one of my favourite players.

He had a very good 2007 but his role changed significantly from previous seasons. He played further up the ground, was often isolated as the loose man in defence and was rarely matched up against the opposition's most dangerous forwards. We seemed loathe to match him up against a marking target. Yes he was more visible (more possessions, carrying the footy, even goals) but his career was winding down and he was given easier tasks.

We've finally had a player finish their career whilst playing good first 18 footy, relatively injury free and not kicking around in the SANFL. I would have hated to see Torney go through the traditional Ricciuto/Buckley/Mahoney final season disaster. The only disappointment is that it wasn't his call in the end, would have liked for him to have made the decision.