News Crows eye Walker, Jacobs

[arsene wenger1]

Market price for ruckman is typically pick 11 to 20 per examples. Simply fact.

Pick 20 to 30 is useless in a weak draft so enjoy 2011 without a ruckman.

so does that mean all we need to do is use griffin as part of a 3 way trade with freo to get walker or jacobs?

i'll ask you a hypothetical then, if carlton were in need of a ruckman would you be happy with trading your 1st round pick for cameron wood?

 

[Big Red is back]

so does that mean all we need to do is use griffin as part of a 3 way trade with freo to get walker or jacobs?

i'll ask you a hypothetical then, if carlton were in need of a ruckman would you be happy with trading your 1st round pick for cameron wood?

If we were in need of a ruckman I would accept we would need to pay between 11 and 20 for a good young potential ruckman, knowing the risks are high.

Good young ruckman demand a premium... its harsh but fair.

 

[Big Red is back]

As for walker no idea why crows have interest in him as his kicking skills are just so poor.

 

[THE_GUN]

reading a few post that mention that a ruckman is worh high draft picks, i went back & had a look at a few of the carlton threads when warnock was about to be traded.

the same supporters were saying the total opposite to whats being posted now !!

the hypocrasy is amazeing !!

hard nut midfielder is worth pick 11, so therefor we should get a top 10 pick for e.g jackson,tuck etc etc

jolly is worth top 10 pick
wood isnt , neither is hale , or jacobs pick 20-35 deoends on how desprerate the buying club is to get him but dont forget that when you mention that rucks demand a high pick you can always get a ruckman in their late 20's for free or just about

 

[Big Red is back]

reading a few post that mention that a ruckman is worh high draft picks, i went back & had a look at a few of the carlton threads when warnock was about to be traded.

the same supporters were saying the total opposite to whats being posted now !!

the hypocrasy is amazeing !!

hard nut midfielder is worth pick 11, so therefor we should get a top 10 pick for e.g jackson,tuck etc etc

jolly is worth top 10 pick
wood isnt , neither is hale , or jacobs pick 20-35 deoends on how desprerate the buying club is to get him but dont forget that when you mention that rucks demand a high pick you can always get a ruckman in their late 20's for free or just about

k then good luck crows grab someone else with pick 30

 

[arsene wenger1]

If we were in need of a ruckman I would accept we would need to pay between 11 and 20 for a good young potential ruckman, knowing the risks are high.

Good young ruckman demand a premium... its harsh but fair.

i hear what your saying but if your gonna trade a 1st rounder for a player, your gonna want to get a pretty good player, not a young ruckman with potential. last time adelaide traded a first rounder it was to get scott thompson. he was always going to be a good player, he had proven that at age 21 while playing for melbourne. it wasnt a massive risk like young ruckman. at the end of the day if adelaide want to do they will, but would be shocked if they did

 

[Sin City]

hard nut midfielder is worth pick 11, so therefor we should get a top 10 pick for e.g jackson,tuck etc etc

No, because neither of them are any good.

 

[Blueboys7]

Jacobs has dominated the 'best' VFL ruckman in Stephenson (likely to be taken as a mature age recruit) today in the VFL Grand Final. He has been good around the ground and simply dominates hit outs to advantage and has managed to kick two goals when given the chance up forward.

 

[CUG81]

problem we have is that hampson probably didnt impress as much as we would have liked, meaning not many out tehre would be asking for him. So if the club looks for players to trade, even though jacobs has showed a lot more this season, he may be sacrificed.

i still think we need all our ruckman as kruz hasnt returned, we dont know what to expect of him next season.

 

[GoBlues!]

Jacobs has dominated the 'best' VFL ruckman in Stephenson (likely to be taken as a mature age recruit) today in the VFL Grand Final. He has been good around the ground and simply dominates hit outs to advantage and has managed to kick two goals when given the chance up forward.

I think the Crows are being cagey - they are probably more interested in Jacobs than Walker. Jacobs has only played 20 afl games and has shown more than just potential in the AFL and VFL, and at 22 he is ripe for the picking.

The Crows took their time in developing Maric in the 2's in his first few years and he has become an accomplished ruckman. With Jacobs he is far more developed than Maric and could become a better ruckman. In any case, Maric and Jacobs would become the best ruck duo in the afl.

 

[Blueboys7]

I think the Crows are being cagey - they are probably more interested in Jacobs than Walker. Jacobs has only played 20 afl games and has shown more than just potential in the AFL and VFL, and at 22 he is ripe for the picking.

The Crows took their time in developing Maric in the 2's in his first few years and he has become an accomplished ruckman. With Jacobs he is far more developed than Maric and could become a better ruckman. In any case, Maric and Jacobs would become the best ruck duo in the afl.

What?

 

[Buzz/Sticks/bryce]

I think the Crows are being cagey - they are probably more interested in Jacobs than Walker. Jacobs has only played 20 afl games and has shown more than just potential in the AFL and VFL, and at 22 he is ripe for the picking.

The Crows took their time in developing Maric in the 2's in his first few years and he has become an accomplished ruckman. With Jacobs he is far more developed than Maric and could become a better ruckman. In any case, Maric and Jacobs would become the best ruck duo in the afl.

Not sure they'd go that well. I think there'd be quite a few in front.

 

[arsene wenger1]

Jacobs has dominated the 'best' VFL ruckman in Stephenson (likely to be taken as a mature age recruit) today in the VFL Grand Final. He has been good around the ground and simply dominates hit outs to advantage and has managed to kick two goals when given the chance up forward.

at the age of 20-21 maric was arguably the best ruckman in the sanfl. you gotta put things in perspective and not get carried away with a couple performances

 

[Sin City]

All will become alot clearer next week when Jacobs has stopped playing.

So will he be announcing anything this week?

 

[Blueboys7]

at the age of 20-21 maric was arguably the best ruckman in the sanfl. you gotta put things in perspective and not get carried away with a couple performances

Jacobs dominated Mumford in a final who was second in line for the AA ruck position. Slightly different to a SANFL performances, even if I brought up his performance today.

Stop trying to lower his value, it's not going to work.

 

[WALL-e]

Wouldn't say he dominated today.

He got the best of Stephenson in the taps, and taps to advantage; that's Sauce's bread and butter.

But he still struggles to get involved in play.

Spent a lot of time forward and doesn't lead or even move much. Very flat footed and at AFL level, he'd be made to play when forward.

He did recognise a missmatch well in one case and got to position. Needs to get on the bike more.

His downfalls appear to be endurance and athletic ability. Endurance he can work on and become a much more effective player. At the moment, he's very 'tap and out'.

 

[Powerade 08]

Stop trying to lower his value, it's not going to work.

He doesn't need to, this is BigFooty.

If Jacobs is seen by the clubs as an excellent tap ruck who is capable around the ground you'll get a pick in the early 20's for him.

If he is seen as an excellent tap ruck who struggles to go with his opponent Carlton will take a pick in the 30's for him and run as fast as they can.

 

[Salaryman]

one swallow doesn't make a summer While I agree with your assessment in principle, I thought he was a tad quiet in general play today by his usual standards.

 

[Salaryman]

If he is seen as an excellent tap ruck who struggles to go with his opponent Carlton will take a pick in the 30's for him and run as fast as they can.

Wrong. Sam is quite happy to stay and we're happy to keep him

 

[Powerade 08]

Wrong. Sam is quite happy to stay and we're happy to keep him

There'd be no point keeping him.

His value is at its highest (Unless he gets regular games next year) and you could use his spot to develop a guy who will be part of your first 22.

 

[Salaryman]

that's taking a narrow view of value, demand will remain high. there is't a wealth of ruckmen running around the afl who would walk into most sides starting 22, I imagine there would be interest next year if that's the way the cards fall.

 

[GoBlues!]

at the age of 20-21 maric was arguably the best ruckman in the sanfl. you gotta put things in perspective and not get carried away with a couple performances

Maric was a late starter to football coming from a basketball background. I remember watching him play as a junior - he was a champion basketballer with a fierce competitive edge.

Crows played him mainly in the SAFL in his first 3 years to learn he game and at 24 he's developed into a pretty good ruckman with terrific 2nd and 3rd efforts.

Just a personal opinion, but if the Crows snag Jacobs they will have two of the best rucks in the afl.

 

[Kickin_Goals]

I found this funny.

You left out line breaking and injury prone.

Well a couple of them aren't line breaking and a couple would do better injured, so I didn't want them missing out on the party.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Jacobs dominated Mumford in a final who was second in line for the AA ruck position. Slightly different to a SANFL performances, even if I brought up his performance today.

Stop trying to lower his value, it's not going to work.

lets be fair to Mumford, he was injured and had a mattress strapped to his leg

 

[Powerade 08]

that's taking a narrow view of value, demand will remain high. there is't a wealth of ruckmen running around the afl who would walk into most sides starting 22, I imagine there would be interest next year if that's the way the cards fall.

This is where you've got it wrong.

He is talked up as being a guaranteed star on BigFooty, but in reality he looks like a good stop gap ruckmen and nothing more. If he doesn't improve his tank guys like Cox and Kreuzer would be happy to have him as an opponent every week. He definitely is a talented tap ruck, and his second efforts are good, but a goal is worth about 10 taps, and Cox and Kreuz would be a chance to kick a bag on him.

If another year goes by and he doesn't improve his tank and doesn't play any AFL, why would a club trade a top 30 pick for him when they could pick up a decent SANFL/VFL ruck in the rookie draft?