News Crows eye Walker, Jacobs

[Sin City]

It's still a bit of a harsh stance to take, saying that every pick is worth 8 less than what it seems.

It's the truth.

 

[Sin City]

And Jacobs has proven to be an AFL standard ruckman in how many career games?!

To prove it at all by his age is a fantastic effort, most ruckman are still having age excuses made for them at that age but he's done it in finals, against AA nominated ruckmen.

 

[Silvagnis]

When is trade week? I can't take too much more of this.

Can imagine how enjoyable this would be if we had KissStephanie negotiating for either side by quoting stats?

Maybe we can get AndyWalkersGirl, Aphrodite, bluegal1983 or MBIB to do it for us.

At least we'd want to picture them on a nude beach.

 

[Bluestheboy]

And Jacobs has proven to be an AFL standard ruckman in how many career games?!
Oh and yesterday Knights was included into 90% of trade proposals by Carlton supporters and now that he has re-signed with the Crows he is a bit of a spud! **** me thats dumb!

Not by me he wasn't. Knights had a breakout year last year when he rediscovered himself as a medium forward but before that struggled to hold a regular place. Originally tagged as a midfielder, but decision making and disposal counted against him. Played a reasonable amount with wwt, and maligned there to!!

As for Jacobs, he probably had a similar career record as Mumford before Sydney threw $$$'s at him last year.

 

[Blue and Silver]

With Knights out of the equation something like this is more likely.

Walker + Jacobs = pick 31 + Bock compo + pick 65

 

[Dooky]

Crows KPPs in order of importance/value IMO

1. Kurt Tippet - untouchable understandably
2. Phil Davis - also untouchable
3. Rutten - too old similair to Tarrant scenario but anyway the'd never trade him so largely irrelevant
4. Walker - probably the best we can expect and still very very very unlikely
5. Talia - would love the kid (we were hot on him around draft time) but I think Crows would have earmarked him and would be reluctant to let him go after just one season.
6. McKernan - IMO the one that the Crows may just relinquish - although according to many he is a Craig favourite.
7. Ricky Henderson - boy has shown abit, seems a likely prospect but still yet to get the runs on the board.
8. Scott Stevens - wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole.
9. Jack Gunston - don't really know enough about the kid to comment - also only spent 1 year on the list thus far.
10. James Sellar - see Scott Stevens.
11. James Craig - again don't know much but was a very late draft pick so probably wouldn't be interested nor would he cut the mustard

**With Ottens, Young and Sam Shaw (?) not being considered as KPPs and not considering ruckman

Crows supporters is this a fair analysis of your talls without overinflating these players worth please.

Looking at that list I think we'd have to expect at least one of Walker, McKernan, Henderson or maybe Gunston to make this trade equitable...

 

[serenityNow]

Best ruck duo (and I think many agree) would be a Kreuzer/Warnock combo.

The issue is Kreuzer is coming back from a knee reco and the club may not want to give him much time in the ruck (at least in the earlier stages of 2010).

There is a possibility that Jacobs/Warnock could be the ruck combo with Kreuzer playing as a forward.

Hampson is the 4th ruck, BUT I highly doubt the club will be willing to trade him after they knocked back I think pick 9(?) from Port last year.

So in other words I don't think the club wants to trade any of them at this point in time. However Jacobs deserves to be playing every week and whether or not that will occur at Carlton in 2010 I would say is unlikely.

In regards to games, Hampson would probably get the least amount of all four. But as seen this year, Carlton was willing to give all four a run at various stages of the season.

Agree with that. Hammer (if he stays) to be a long term project.

Kreuzer will be coming back from a knee reco, and if you think the club will just throw him straight back there.......with possible knee knocks when contesting at bounces, ya kidding yourselves.

I would be surprised to see him play ruck at all next year, will play the year forward.........post 2011 will depend on how Kreuzer played forward and how his knee is.

Jacobs is daylight ahead of Hampson. And to those that keep saying Hammer is valuable up forward give us a spell, kreuzer is the ruck forward.

Walker? I'm happy to trade.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Not by me he wasn't. Knights had a breakout year last year when he rediscovered himself as a medium forward but before that struggled to hold a regular place. Originally tagged as a midfielder, but decision making and disposal counted against him. Played a reasonable amount with wwt, and maligned there to!!

As for Jacobs, he probably had a similar career record as Mumford before Sydney threw $$$'s at him last year.

You lost me there! How about checking facts before claiming something to be the truth!

 

[Blue Bloods]

We've got a history of trading fairly and reasonably (I think Roos and possibly Malthouse or Eade said we were one of the best Clubs to deal with?) for players who want to try their luck elsewhere, and we've got a few decent ones to come over in return (Scott Thompson probably being the best in recent years), but the Crows have tried to land players like R Griff or Hurn, just without any luck.

That is my point the Crows give very little so they get very little in return nothing to do with luck. Scott Thompson was a long time ago and the club has changed alot since then.

So again I would be amazed if we agree on a trade with the Crows

Jacobs and Walker wont more opportunities (not just in SA) there are other clubs that will put there hand up in the next few weeks.

 

[chaser1]

Trade Walker for who, i am afraid we may be stiched up on the deal. Kpp Tarrant will play 2 years at best and with reduced ability, bc of injuries and AGE. Rather develop our own, and if we pick up a kid who knows if they are going to be any good in 3 years time .

 

[parrot]

Again, assuming he wants to leave, then I'd think you'll get slightly under value, where as if he was ok there, but we were desperate to pry him out, we'd have to overpay.

You can say bye bye to pick 14. That's gawn if this trade goes through - no question. The debate will be over the other picks that need to be thrown in to convince us and outbid the competition. Reckon there's a chance we can do to the Crows what we did to the Lions in the Fev trade. You should be nervous. Swan will give the impression you did OK out of the deal, and when the dust settles you'll realise you've got well and truly shafted. He's the master of that. Go ask Vossy. He's playing this trade perfectly already. Do you realise that by including Walker we've actually gained some leverage in the Jacobs trade? Pretty clever.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

You lost me there! How about checking facts before claiming something to be the truth!

Hey - this is our board. We can create our own truths if we want to.

If you look a little deeper into our other threads, you will find we won the Elimination against Sydney by 5 points.

 

[NTRabbit]

Crows KPPs in order of importance/value IMO

1. Kurt Tippet - untouchable understandably
2. Phil Davis - also untouchable
3. Rutten - too old similair to Tarrant scenario but anyway the'd never trade him so largely irrelevant
4. Walker - probably the best we can expect and still very very very unlikely
5. Talia - would love the kid (we were hot on him around draft time) but I think Crows would have earmarked him and would be reluctant to let him go after just one season.
6. McKernan - IMO the one that the Crows may just relinquish - although according to many he is a Craig favourite.
7. Ricky Henderson - boy has shown abit, seems a likely prospect but still yet to get the runs on the board.
8. Scott Stevens - wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole.
9. Jack Gunston - don't really know enough about the kid to comment - also only spent 1 year on the list thus far.
10. James Sellar - see Scott Stevens.
11. James Craig - again don't know much but was a very late draft pick so probably wouldn't be interested nor would he cut the mustard

**With Ottens, Young and Sam Shaw (?) not being considered as KPPs and not considering ruckman

Crows supporters is this a fair analysis of your talls without overinflating these players worth please.

Looking at that list I think we'd have to expect at least one of Walker, McKernan, Henderson or maybe Gunston to make this trade equitable...

Never going to be traded, but just for clarity unlike Tarrant who turns 30 in two days, Ben Rutten only turned 27 in May.

Henderson was just upgraded from our rookie list and given a two year deal, seems unlikely.

Will Young is a KPP, plays full back for Norwood and is expected to be a long term replacement for Rutten.

Gunston, although a KPP at junior levels, seems to me to be more of a tall flanker or third tall at AFL level, pretty much the same sort of thing as A. Walker.

James Craig is a project undersized ruckman, the only thing of note about him is that he is 3rd in the all time standing vertical jump at the draft camp, behind Croad and Naitanui.

McKernan by far the likeliest to be involved, if one has to be involved.

 

[Buzz/Sticks/bryce]

Can imagine how enjoyable this would be if we had KissStephanie negotiating for either side by quoting stats?

Maybe we can get AndyWalkersGirl, Aphrodite, bluegal1983 or MBIB to do it for us.

At least we'd want to picture them on a nude beach.

I have been told by many people that KissStephanie is one of the more informed posters on BigFooty.

Trade Week Mud Wrestling? A win by one of this boards finest and Jacobs = pick 14 and taylor Walker. A loss and its 4th round.

 

[Sin City]

I have been told by many people that KissStephanie is one of the more informed posters on BigFooty.

One of the best laughs I've had on BigFooty

 

[WALL-e]

One of the best laughs I've had on BigFooty

Second the HELL out of this!

 

[Silvagnis]

I wish our supporters would stop talking down Hampson in discussions about Sauce.

Hampson isn't a project or muppet like Blake.

Hampson won't be the last player to be made to look foolish by Sandilands.

I think we'd be fairly confident about Kreuzer, Warnock and Hampson rucking against Tippett, Jacobs and Maric.

If Jacobs goes, his loss won't hit us like Geelong losing Mumford.

However, we still need to get market value for Jacobs .

Geelong should have landed the pick Sydney received for Darren Jolly.

Need to get the equivalent in this draft with a player or a pick and a player.

 

[Canyouhearthedrums]

Probably similar to what you paid for Warnock. Though Warnock has a much higher roof and is obviously considered a better ruck by Carlton people.

You paid a second rounder, a pick in the 50’s (third) and then your upgraded your pick in the 70’s.

Being as Warnock is a better ruck, I’d imagine taking out the 3rd rounder on that trade. We’ll even not ask for the fourth round upgrade.

Quoted for logical, sound reasoning. We pay a second rounder for Warnock and suddenly we're demanding a first rounder for Jacobs?

 

[Sin City]

Quoted for logical, sound reasoning. We pay a second rounder for Warnock and suddenly we're demanding a first rounder for Jacobs?

Warnock had played 21 games in two years (three on the list) and never had over 16 hit outs in a game. We still got him dirt cheap.

Jacobs has played 17 games in two years (four on the list) and has had 9 games with over 20 hit outs as well as plenty of contested marking.

Why should we make the same mistake as other clubs have by letting him go for less than he's worth.

 

[Bluestheboy]

You lost me there! How about checking facts before claiming something to be the truth!

Think we both have been a bit iffy with the truth here. In his 6 seasons with Adelaide, only 2007 (played every game and found the ball) and 2009 (42 goals from R7) would come close to confirming your rating.
The good thing is that now he has inked a new contract, I don't have to worry about him ending up with us.

 

[mac25]

With Knights out of the equation something like this is more likely.

Walker + Jacobs = pick 31 + Bock compo + pick 65

l do not see Carlton going down the path of trading Jacobs/Walker for anything like this, how exactly is this adding to the Carlton list for next season, clearly Carlton are in the market to address list weaknesses for next year, l do not see the point in trading either for draft picks 25+ in a compromised draft would be crazy to consider this.

 

[Blue and Silver]

The draft may be "compromised" but it is still pretty strong. There is a lot of quality in this years pool. Just because GC got first dibs doesn't mean we should just ignore the quality still to be had. I think pick 65 could get us a good player (Hartigan, Shinners, Schnieder, Tape) what does that say about pick 31?

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Would take TW in 10 seconds, - he's the one.

Dangerfield's got hands like a vice,
kicks like a tennis player

Sellar plays football like i hate tennis.

Rest are crap.

 

[No1Suspect]

With Knights out of the equation something like this is more likely.

Walker + Jacobs = pick 31 + Bock compo + pick 65

Walker and Jacobs = Pick 14 plus 31.....

No 14 no deal.

 

[Sin City]

From the Crows board

Jacobs will go to another Melbourne club if my mail is correct.

Sure thing.

From one of his close friends. 'Doesn't particularly want to leave Melbourne, loves the lifestyle and has some great friends there, would come home if it meant extra opportunities but he'll literally sign for the club which provides him the best offer. That doesn't necessarily mean money but constant quality game time. He's prepared to stay/go depending on which option comes along but there's strong interest from the Crows and at least 2 Melbourne clubs.'

Make of it what you will