News Crows eye Walker, Jacobs

[Sin City]

Only pick 14, however that was said to be off the table

Their supporters seem to think they have 45 untouchables and great draft picks. They need to wake up. They've identified a real need for Walker and Jacobs and will go all out to get them.

 

[Jimthegreat]

So basically nothing.

Right, let's move on and dismiss them as trade partners.

Was going to suggest a 3 way for Mundy with them passing on their first pick to Freo and maybe we give Freo a bit extra too. But if it's off the table they really have nothing.

Jacobs maybe to Port with a view to somehow getting Salopek.

 

[GordonBlue]

So basically nothing.

Right, let's move on and dismiss them as trade partners.

No no... not nothing... atleast if it's nothing that we'd had room to recruit players from the draft... it's Sellar and Cook as per what they say... which means we'll lose two quality players and replace them with two list cloggers... I don't see how we can go wrong

 

[krayfesh]

I'll save time. Adelaide, we demand ALL of your draft picks >40 for Walker and Sauce.

Demand!

 

[parrot]

With Knights off the table, that pretty much confirms we'll get pick 14 and probably more if they want Walker. Still want him to stay though.

 

[Blue Bloods]

If they did that, West Lakes would get torched the next night.

That is why I would be amazed if we end up trading with The Crows, the supporters have the club running scared and that is why they dont trade players, I can not recall any player trades of note for many years from the Crows.

Port on the other hand have no supporters to worry about and do trade for players so lets forget the Crows and try to get a fair trade with Port.

 

[Good Win]

I'll save time. Adelaide, we demand ALL of your draft picks >40 for Walker and Sauce.

Demand!

ok done.

 

[AFC979810]

Maybe Crows supporters need to stop over rating their players.

I agree... and Carlton rate their players fairly.

According to many posters an injury riddled player who has played 27 games in the last three season's is worth Taylor Walker or Dangerfield?!?!?!

To be honest I would suggest that for Andrew Walker the crows will trade pick 26 and a fringe player (Mike Cook?)....

 

[Bingles]

Their supporters seem to think they have 45 untouchables and great draft picks. They need to wake up. They've identified a real need for Walker and Jacobs and will go all out to get them.

Well, to be fair to the Adelaide fans I have to admit that they're absolutely spot on. They do indeed have 45 untouchables. They have four or five players that every team in the league would want (including Adelaide) and the rest of their roster is full of absolute hacks.

Can't say that I blame them that they refuse to trade their half dozen good players.

 

[Sin City]

To be honest I would suggest that for Andrew Walker the crows will trade pick 26 and a fringe player (Mike Cook?)....

Putting a spud in who won't get a game adds nothing to the trade. Pick 14 is really worth about pick 22 this year, it'll have to be that or something of similar value or you just won't get him.

 

[GordonBlue]

I agree... and Carlton rate their players fairly.

According to many posters an injury riddled player who has played 27 games in the last three season's is worth Taylor Walker or Dangerfield?!?!?!

To be honest I would suggest that for Andrew Walker the crows will trade pick 26 and a fringe player (Mike Cook?)....

You do realise Pick 26 alone > Pick 26 + Cook (or other hack player)

when are people going to learn that adding hack to a pick that undervalues a player is not a positive... but a negative... why would we want to waste a valuable list space on a hack?

 

[MickyCrow]

Their supporters seem to think they have 45 untouchables and great draft picks. They need to wake up. They've identified a real need for Walker and Jacobs and will go all out to get them.

Thats rich coming from a Carlton supporter.

Anyway these threads are pointless, lets just see what the people who really have some say do. If the two clubs come to an equitable agreement they will trade, and Walker and/or Jacobs will be Crows next year, if not they will be Blues. Fairly straight forward

Good luck for 2011

 

[James23]

Well, to be fair to the Adelaide fans I have to admit that they're absolutely spot on. They do indeed have 45 untouchables. They have four or five players that every team in the league would want (including Adelaide) and the rest of their roster is full of absolute hacks.

Can't say that I blame them that they refuse to trade their half dozen good players.

Tippett, walker, dangerfield, Davis, otten, Vince, Thompson, knights, porplyzia, rutten, van berlo, johncock, Talia, Henderson are all players every team would love to have. Few more than 4 or 5 I'd say.

 

[MickyCrow]

Putting a spud in who won't get a game adds nothing to the trade. Pick 14 is really worth about pick 22 this year, it'll have to be that or something of similar value or you just won't get him.

Besides, Myke Cook is NO spud.




He strikes me as more of a gourd

 

[Sin City]

Thats rich coming from a Carlton supporter.

Why would any of us figure we have a list of untouchables when we've got two players looking to join your weaker club to get more opportunity plus we've traded Fevola and Kennedy in recent years. We have a much better idea of how this stuff works than you guys do.

 

[MickyCrow]

Why would any of us figure we have a list of untouchables when we've got two players looking to join your weaker club to get more opportunity plus we've traded Fevola and Kennedy in recent years. We have a much better idea of how this stuff works than you guys do.

No worries champ

And I was more refering to the fact that Carlton supporters in general are not at all known for completely overrating their players worth.

Their is a difference between the CFC and some of their supporters on big footy

 

[Shambolic]

Well, the Crows DID ream us on the Eccles / Gallagher v Massie / Nelson trade.

 

[Sin City]

No worries champ

And I was more refering to the fact that Carlton supporters in general are not at all known for completely overrating their players worth.

Their is a difference between the CFC and some of their supporters on big footy

You guys just seem completely clueless about how trading works or how your list stacks up against other teams.

 

[WALL-e]

I'll save time. Adelaide, we demand ALL of your draft picks >40 for Walker and Sauce.

Demand!

Sweet.

47, 63 and 79 it is.

 

[MickyCrow]

You guys just seem completely clueless about how trading works or how your list stacks up against other teams.

Not all of us, see the comments in the McKernan thread.

Thats like saying ALL Carlton supporters do the same. Obviously if you want quality, you have to part with quality.

This should be class 101 in bigfooty prior to being able to post.

FWIW, I honestly dont think the trades will go ahead with Knights re-signing and the club saying 14 is off limits (Fairly sure???).

Still we will see what happens

 

[Bingles]

Tippett, walker, dangerfield, Davis, otten, Vince, Thompson, knights, porplyzia, rutten, van berlo, johncock, Talia, Henderson are all players every team would love to have. Few more than 4 or 5 I'd say.

Jumped all over my bait. So you have a dozen players...

Talia? You talking about the same guy Carlton passed on and couldn't get a game on a team that didn't make the finals? The second highest draft pick NOT to get an AFL game this season?

In all seriousness - of the players that you listed I'd not take Talia, Henderson because they're not as good and I wouldn't take Johncock, Thompson and Rutten because of age for Walker. I also think Porplyzia is as overrated as all hell although I know Crows fans love the guy. I think he's as overrated by your mob as much as we overrate some of our own (and we know we do).

So the players on that list that I'd take are Tippett, Walker, Davis, Otten, Vince, Knights and Van Berlo. Wow, that's seven players I'd love to have from your team at Carlton. Congratulations you were right.

 

[Sin City]

Not all of us, see the comments in the McKernan thread.

It's the Sellar/Cook for Walker/Jacobs and declaring a pick that's really worth about 22 off limits that makes it hard to take Crows supporters seriously.

 

[MickyCrow]

It's the Sellar/Cook for Walker/Jacobs and declaring a pick that's really worth about 22 off limits that makes it hard to take Crows supporters seriously.

I meant my comment saying its hard to defend that sort of crap. I completly agree with your point, just saying not to lump us all in with those idiots

 

[a1092115]

On the rare occassions that the Crows do trade, they are usually pretty fair. So if Walker does go to Adelaide, I'm sure Carlton will get decent compensation.

Jacobs is a bit more complicated. Given he's off contract, Carlton are clearly on the back foot in any trade negotiation especially since the Crows have a (relatively) early pick in this year's PSD. Carlton fans need to recognise that they could lose him for nothing and may have to take what they can get from the Crows because it's better than getting nothing.

 

[King Elvis]

Yes, but it seems Dangerfield, Tippett, Davis, McKernan, Talia, Knights, Otten, Sloane, Henderson and anyone else who has played a game that wasn't crap are also cult players as will this pick 14 (really equal to 22 in a weakened draft) be. All of this in a team that missed the finals. You hide away in Adelaide, away from the rest of the league too much, you have no idea about the value of your players compared to other clubs players. You seem to think you have a list of 45 untouchables.

That missed the finals this year, on the back of a shocking injury run, after being one kick away from the prelim last year.

With our retirements, we're a very young team, and the players on your list (Dangerfield, Tippett, Davis, Knights, Otten, Sloane, Henderson) are the players that the Club would see as the core of the team for the next 5-10 years.

You're hardly talking about 'good' players there, you've got a guy rated as one of the best young mids in the comp, a guy who is one of the best young forwards in the comp (with immense potential), a guy who is rated as one of the best KPPs in the comp (in his first full year of AFL footy), a guy who came second in the Rising Star, a guy who kicked 43 goals on a HFF in 16 games (and doesn't want to leave), a guy who is already spoken about as a potential Club Captain, and a kid who has come from basketball, dominated the SANFL, and now looks like he'll be a gun in the AFL.

Your list basically consists of our best young players, that's why it seems like we over-rate our boys. Throw some other names up - Myke Cook, Jack Gunston, Will Young, Tony Armstrong; guys who look like they'll be good players, but not our star players.

McKernan, Talia - Talia I haven't seen enough of to comment, SMcK could be very good, but if he wanted to go home, I wouldn't be devastated about losing him, and he'd probably be worthwhile in this discussion.

Also, to suggest that the Crows would give anyone like Walker and Dangerfield up - guys they see as the future of their club - for players who spent half the year in the VFL is just fanciful.

Exactly.

I don't think the Crows would be into Walker or Jacobs unless those guys wanted to explore other opportunities; we aren't desperate for them, and I can't see us giving away our best young players to get them.