News Crows eye Walker, Jacobs

[krayfesh]

Sweet.

47, 63 and 79 it is.

I see what you did there.

I should be saying higher.

Or not relying on Adelaide supporters to understand me.

 

[King Elvis]

That is why I would be amazed if we end up trading with The Crows, the supporters have the club running scared and that is why they dont trade players, I can not recall any player trades of note for many years from the Crows.

Kane Johnson
Tyson Stenglein
Ben Hudson
Marty Mattner


We've got a history of trading fairly and reasonably (I think Roos and possibly Malthouse or Eade said we were one of the best Clubs to deal with?) for players who want to try their luck elsewhere, and we've got a few decent ones to come over in return (Scott Thompson probably being the best in recent years), but the Crows have tried to land players like R Griff or Hurn, just without any luck.

 

[GordonBlue]

I'm not going to insult Craig or the Adelaide Football Club by comparing them to Voss or Brissie... but the exact same thing was said about Henderson last year... and the first rounder...

 

[Sin City]

You're hardly talking about 'good' players there, you've got a guy rated as one of the best young mids in the comp, a guy who is one of the best young forwards in the comp (with immense potential), a guy who is rated as one of the best KPPs in the comp (in his first full year of AFL footy), a guy who came second in the Rising Star, a guy who kicked 43 goals on a HFF in 16 games (and doesn't want to leave), a guy who is already spoken about as a potential Club Captain, and a kid who has come from basketball, dominated the SANFL, and now looks like he'll be a gun in the AFL.

Thank you for proving my point

Do you have any idea what a decent first ruck costs? Especially one that young?

You think you have all these stars but they've mostly done nothing and shown very little.

You just lost your stars (McLeod, Edwards, Goodwin) that's why you need guys like Walker and Jacobs and you will have to give up quality to get them.

 

[WALL-e]

I see what you did there.

I should be saying higher.

Or not relying on Adelaide supporters to understand me.

Too late, no takesiez backsiez!

 

[parrot]

... we aren't desperate for them, and I can't see us giving away our best young players to get them.

Your club sounds pretty desperate actually. The Crows even made a public statement saying they want those 2 players. The Blues have said both are required players, but will explore options. We're more than happy if they stay, as are the players themselves

Bottom line - if you want Walker it'll be pick 14 plus more. Jacobs is around 15 to 25 pickish as well. If you want both, you'll be lucky to get away with losing only your first 2 picks, and it could be a fair bit more. Obviously the Crows don't rate this draft, and are after some ready-made talent. Both are quality young players - they won't be cheap.

 

[GordonBlue]

Thank you for proving my point

Do you have any idea what a decent first ruck costs? Especially one that young?

You think you have all these stars but they've mostly done nothing and shown very little.

You just lost your stars (McLeod, Edwards, Goodwin) that's why you need guys like Walker and Jacobs and you will have to give up quality to get them.

Adelaide unproven players have massive potential... but Carlton provem (and still very young) and in Jacobs situation... improving out of side... they are only good... what don't you understand???

 

[Salaryman]

King_Elvis is more King_Pelvis

 

[JezBlues]

Considering Walker is contracted and Carlton want to keep him, Adelaide are going to need to over pay for him. To be honest, now that Knights has signed I can't see a deal being struck, unless there's maybe a 3 way which includes Walker to Adelaide, Griffin to Freo and Tarrant to Blues, with obviously some picks being thrown in, most likely a 2nd rounder with Griffin to Freo. I would prefer keep Walker than get Tarrant but the club will probably think differently.

 

[Sin City]

Adelaide unproven players have massive potential... but Carlton provem (and still very young) and in Jacobs situation... improving out of side... they are only good... what don't you understand???

Yeah this is what I'm realising. Adelaide players will be traded on potential (Didak went from averaging 10 disposals per game in 2003 to AA in 2010 so all Crows young players will do the same) while Jacobs sits behind Kreuzer and Warnock so he's just a backup.

 

[Buzz/Sticks/bryce]

When is trade week? I can't take too much more of this.

 

[King Elvis]

Thank you for proving my point

How does the stuff you bolded prove your point?

Dangerfield isn't considered one of the best young mids in the comp?

Davis isn't considered one of the best young KPPs in the comp?

Sloane hasn't been mentioned repeatedly by Adelaide Coaching and Playing Staff as a potential Club Captain?

Do you have any idea what a decent first ruck costs? Especially one that young?

Cameron Wood for #14 - overpaid; bust.

Mummy for #28 - good trade, has come on massively this year.

What're the other comparable trades?

I think Jacobs is worth #20-#25 in normal circumstances; with his desire to leave, we could possibly get him a little cheaper.

Disagree with that rating?

 

[Salaryman]

and unless you've been living under a rock, pick 14 is closer to pick 22 in this draft........oh hang on

 

[King Elvis]

and unless you've been living under a rock, pick 14 is closer to pick 22 in this draft........oh hang on

Again, assuming he wants to leave, then I'd think you'll get slightly under value, where as if he was ok there, but we were desperate to pry him out, we'd have to overpay.

 

[HARKER]

King_Elvis is more King_Pelvis

More like his brother, King Enis I think.

 

[Aphrodite]

When is trade week? I can't take too much more of this.

Not soon enough !!!!!!!!

 

[WALL-e]

Do you have any idea what a decent first ruck costs? Especially one that young?

Probably similar to what you paid for Warnock. Though Warnock has a much higher roof and is obviously considered a better ruck by Carlton people.

You paid a second rounder, a pick in the 50’s (third) and then your upgraded your pick in the 70’s.

Being as Warnock is a better ruck, I’d imagine taking out the 3rd rounder on that trade. We’ll even not ask for the fourth round upgrade.

My point being, while you see ridiculous overs for guys like Wood (He could be 20 foot, you’re not paying a first for him now are you?), you get guys like Mumford for a second. Mumford has a lot more mobility than Sauce, but Sauce is a superior tap ruck.

 

[Dramoth]

How does the stuff you bolded prove your point?

Dangerfield isn't considered one of the best young mids in the comp?

Davis isn't considered one of the best young KPPs in the comp?

Sloane hasn't been mentioned repeatedly by Adelaide Coaching and Playing Staff as a potential Club Captain?



Cameron Wood for #14 - overpaid; bust.

Mummy for #28 - good trade, has come on massively this year.

What're the other comparable trades?

I think Jacobs is worth #20-#25 in normal circumstances; with his desire to leave, we could possibly get him a little cheaper.

Disagree with that rating?

Where has he said he actually wants to leave the CFC?

What I read is that he is currently considering his options. If Carlton comes up with a plan for him to get more game time next year, then he will stay. I think that we are looking more at Kreuzer coming back about mid-year so Jacobs would be playing as either the #1 or #2 ruckman during this period. Hampson will continue his re-development as a forward/ruckman which means that Jacobs would get game time ahead of him.

Also, after all the time Carlton spent looking after Sauce, and considering that he is a pretty loyal sort of guy, he is going to ensure that Carlton get something decent for him or else he is just going to re-sign with the club after trade week... to the sounds of the blows HQ going up in flames.

 

[Sin City]

How does the stuff you bolded prove your point?

Dangerfield isn't considered one of the best young mids in the comp?

Davis isn't considered one of the best young KPPs in the comp?

Sloane hasn't been mentioned repeatedly by Adelaide Coaching and Playing Staff as a potential Club Captain?

Dangerfield - No, he doesn't get enough of the ball and has shocking disposal, seriously over rated around here.

Davis - No, he's looked to have potential, that doesn't automatically equal being one of the best young KPPs (Hurley, Taylor, Natanui, Watts etc)

Sloane has done **** all, he's played 15 games. McLean and Henderson were both considered future captains as well that would never leave. Guess what, we got them both.

Cameron Wood for #14 - overpaid; bust.

Mummy for #28 - good trade, has come on massively this year.

What're the other comparable trades?

I think Jacobs is worth #20-#25 in normal circumstances; with his desire to leave, we could possibly get him a little cheaper.

Disagree with that rating?

In normal circumstances your pick 14 would be worth 22, it's about time you guys woke up to that.

Another comparable trade is 28 year old Jolly for pick 16. Jacobs is more value because of his age.

 

[Bluestheboy]

Heard this morning on SEN that all four sides left have #1 ruckmen that came from other clubs. Makes Jacob's currency soar I think. Add Warnock and Mumford to that and 6 of the 8 finalists....

Also honestly think that Knights is a spud. Medium forward who cannot play anywhere in a dangerous position because of cr&p disposal and poor decision making. Not certain he would be a good fit for us....now if they mentioned Taylor Walker that would be different.

Not sure if anyone can defend Adelaide recent history at the trade table because they just do not play.

 

[Sin City]

Again, assuming he wants to leave, then I'd think you'll get slightly under value, where as if he was ok there, but we were desperate to pry him out, we'd have to overpay.

You are desperate to pry him out, you have no AFL standard ruckmen.

 

[JezBlues]

In normal circumstances your pick 14 would be worth 22

I understand that this is a compromised draft because of GC but where does the value of 22 from 14 come from?

 

[Sin City]

I understand that this is a compromised draft because of GC but where does the value of 22 from 14 come from?

They picked up a bunch of 17 year olds last year that would've been in the top bunch of players from this years draft.

 

[JezBlues]

They picked up a bunch of 17 year olds last year that would've been in the top bunch of players from this years draft.

It's still a bit of a harsh stance to take, saying that every pick is worth 8 less than what it seems. If Jacobs was to say he wasn't going to re-sign with Carlton and wanted to move to Adelaide, I can't see Carlton rejecting pick 14, which will ultimately be our highest pick, or even give us a bargaining tool for a better player, eg Brennan.

 

[Stiffy_18]

You are desperate to pry him out, you have no AFL standard ruckmen.

And Jacobs has proven to be an AFL standard ruckman in how many career games?!

Please, thats just talking out of your backside. He has proven nothing yet. Ben March had a much more promising start to his AFL career and we all know how that one went!

Jacobs has some value no doubt but rubbish like someone posted that because all the teams in the prelim have traded for a ruckman, Jacobs' value went up is just ridicilous! There is absolutely NO logic used to arrive at that conclusion.

Oh and yesterday Knights was included into 90% of trade proposals by Carlton supporters and now that he has re-signed with the Crows he is a bit of a spud! **** me thats dumb!