Crows plan Walker talks! (Part 2)

[Allefgib]

I thought I pointed this out to you years ago?

That might have been me you're confused with.

Anyway we'll see what the son of god has to say on sat.

 

[Southerntakeover]

I thought I pointed this out to you years ago?

Dude...

Whats the point of having a secret league of super villians if you dont keep it secret?

 

[Kickin_Goals]

Craig isn't mathematical, mathematics is engrossing and holonic.
He is isolationist a compartmentalist what is considered "scientific" but really this is just imprinting your own viewpoint and finding what you want to find, it fails utterly and is meant to. It doesn't work in team sports, it doesn't work in society, it doesn't work anywhere but within its specific parameters and anything that you don't control completely throws your control conditions out of whack.
There is no generative unpredictability. It's repeat cause and repeat effect.
Transparent to any other side and is taken apart.
"Controlling what you control" makes the assumption or requires you actually control it and aren't chasing a carrot, this is not a game at rest where all things are equal you can't counter in a way that's predictable without pristine execution and spot on space creation and defence of the area.
You cannot be this regiment and stick to structures that will not hold up under pressure or fatigue circumstance.
This is the problem with defensive game-style there is no unpredictability as it seeks to control/maintain and it relies on precision/pressure of your players vs the precision/pressure of the opponents and making less mistakes, if your players don't have the skills good luck to that since your not enacting scoreboard pressure.
It fails in the face of approaches that look to create a dangerous situation every possession that at least breaks even with each down the line possession.
Defensiveness breeds the mindset in your players of a lack of confidence in their ability to contest at the ball drop, it can even lead to a lack of expectancy to do so.

Doesn't that sound 'sciency' I assure you it's contaminated.

We need simple stuff here, contest the football, take the player at the controlled contest and BE on the ball carrier not spreading from him expecting lack of pressure to transform into mistakes to get stops in free flow play from zoning.
To expect the last lines and the makeshift to be the best able to stop onslaughts is nonsense.
Not giving ourself an advantage but opting out is Adelaides play-style and it creeps into everything.
If your kicking to a contest after moving the ball sideways much of the time, up field you have more players behind the ball then forward of it then your opponent, this will always translate to more opponent players at the ball drop.
There is no advantage here, for this to work your players need to not just be better then their opponent all of the time but be better then several.

If you do put players behind the ball you need carriers to outlet and again this requires possession at which Adelaide are around 17th in most areas of getting the ball other then from kick outs.

But all of these issues go away if Walker applies a tackle instead of a bump.
We are getting comparisons with Riewoldt and Cloke here, I shouldn't need to point out how much they don't apply and how different their situations ages and athleticism are as well to the huge differences in whichever Riewoldts team make up and especially that of Cloke. Honestly Cloke? this guy has more supply then anyone else in the comp the ball is moved to him down the lines quickly and precisely.
Many are asking for something that will make no difference, just for something more aesthetically pleasing.

This is what we are essentially looking for.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Arrrrrrrrr my eyes

You need to warn us before doing things like that.

 

[Freddy Bassett]

Good write up Not that I agree with all of it though.

 

[Crow-mo]

Dude...

Whats the point of having a secret league of super villians if you dont keep it secret?

dude, you have no idea how much that post made me chuckle when I read it.

I lost my shit

 

[Crow-mo]

Good write up Not that I agree with all of it though.

is that because you didn't understand it all? just kidding

KG - that was an outstanding piece. really top notch.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Why are alot of people getting upset at the prospect of Taylor going to western sydney.

I have been watching his progress for such along time that we seem to be waiting on a promise rather then living the excitement. He is a good player dont get me wrong but he essentially has proven nothing. In fact i am of the beleif if western sydney are willing to pay him double they can have him.

Sheedy said some profound words a few months back that perhaps Taylor isnt rated as highly outside of SA as what we like to think. Taylor is good at getting cheap opportunist goals but is weak on his attack on the ball and is loath for body contact. just seems to want to look good.

Look dont get me wrong he has the potential and i can see him becoming a star but just maybe he is destined to be a one mane show not a team player? time will tell i guess but at this stage he simply doesnt seem to fit into adelaides game plan effictively.

 

[Elite Crow]

Taylor has his 21st tonight. Had friends and family coming down for the night. Organised a heap of tickets to today's game which he gave back. Whether he was justified in being dropped, that would be embarrassing and piss him off. I would say another nail in the coffin.

 

[adelaidecrows]

21st or not its a professional sport and if you are not performing your not performing. as with bock if he wants to wate the best footballing years of his life getting pumped every week by 10 or more goals thats his business. the big money they are offering now will not be there in 10 years time. he can choose to stay and possible play in a premiership or like bock probably not but earn a little more money. I thought you played footy for that final day in september but some players obviously dont.

 

[Elite Crow]

Are you deluded? In 10 years time after earning a shit load of money he will be 31 and retired. GWS or GC are as close to a premiership as us.

 

[birdmanptr]

Taylor has his 21st tonight. Had friends and family coming down for the night. Organised a heap of tickets to today's game which he gave back. Whether he was justified in being dropped, that would be embarrassing and piss him off. I would say another nail in the coffin.

Embarrassing he got dropped or that he presumed he would be playing.

 

[Elite Crow]

Embarrassing he got dropped or that he presumed he would be playing.

Don't be such a w***er.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Taylor isnt working out at this point in time. the fairy tale potential is their but the fact is he plays like a 5"8 player instead of the 6"4 90+kg key forward. I think Mckernan provides a better marking target and with walker out the side it allows adelaide more flexability at this point in time. Its the sad reality.

 

[birdmanptr]

Don't be such a w***er.

Just asking

Sheesh

 

[Crow-mo]

Taylor isnt working out at this point in time. the fairy tale potential is their but the fact is he plays like a 5"8 player instead of the 6"4 90+kg key forward. I think Mckernan provides a better marking target and with walker out the side it allows adelaide more flexability at this point in time. Its the sad reality.

think its more your bad judgment than reality

 

[King Elvis]

Taylor has his 21st tonight. Had friends and family coming down for the night. Organised a heap of tickets to today's game which he gave back. Whether he was justified in being dropped, that would be embarrassing and piss him off. I would say another nail in the coffin.

That's pretty rough

 

[relapse]

If he was entirely happy with his situation at the Crows, you wouldn't think he'd look at other offers. Like with Tippo, he told his manager he wanted to stay at the Crows and to get the deal done, but obviously his manager still looked at other offers in order to get Tippo the best deal.
If Walker walks after growing up a Crows fan, and wanting to play here so bad that he knocked back offers at other clubs in order to get here, i honestly don't think we can blame it on just money.

I actually agree with this, I think we all know deep down that if he does leave for GWS it wont just be for the money. You dont grow up barracking for a side who you would love to play for and then turn around and leave as soon as the opportunity presents itself unless there was something horribly wrong within the fabric of the club.

 

[The Karma Bus]

Taylor has his 21st tonight. Had friends and family coming down for the night. Organised a heap of tickets to today's game which he gave back. Whether he was justified in being dropped, that would be embarrassing and piss him off. I would say another nail in the coffin.

They would have enjoyed the change of plans in the end, probably loved watching him kick 7 for the Legs..

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

21st or not its a professional sport and if you are not performing your not performing. as with bock if he wants to wate the best footballing years of his life getting pumped every week by 10 or more goals thats his business. the big money they are offering now will not be there in 10 years time. he can choose to stay and possible play in a premiership or like bock probably not but earn a little more money. I thought you played footy for that final day in september but some players obviously dont.

Let me say this very slowly for you.

The - Gold - Coast - Football - Club - will - win - a - premiership - before - the - Adelaide - Crows.

They have more overall talent, underage talent, imprvement as a side, and a far, FAR better coach.

So STFU and stop talking shit.

 

[WAG]

Let me say this very slowly for you.

The - Gold - Coast - Football - Club - will - win - a - premiership - before - the - Adelaide - Crows.

They have more overall talent, underage talent, imprvement as a side, and a far, FAR better coach.

So STFU and stop talking shit.

Based on what?

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

I actually agree with this, I think we all know deep down that if he does leave for GWS it wont just be for the money. You dont grow up barracking for a side who you would love to play for and then turn around and leave as soon as the opportunity presents itself unless there was something horribly wrong within the fabric of the club.

Correct. Therefore, I won't be blaming ANYONE (Vince, Walker or anyone else) who asks to leave due to the stupidity of the coach.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Based on what?

Game day coaching and simply knowing how to deverlop his team to fit their ablity.

Neil Craig understands where his team is at, they are a young and inexperienced team, yet he still beleives the best option is to make them play like a seasoned team of veterans. It's not working.

Guy McKenna is letting his team play. Yes they have been bashed but they are developing into a quality side. He isn't trying to implement some stupid game plan that prevents his players from growing and developing as players.

Yes the GC have more first round picks but if you don't develop thoes players the right way, it will be a waste. See Taylor Walker for example, Neil Craig will waste his talent at the AFC due to his own stubbornness.

Let the kids just play the ****ing game and then implement some strategies in a few years after they have understood what is really required to be an AFL player.

 

[Vader]

I actually agree with this, I think we all know deep down that if he does leave for GWS it wont just be for the money. You dont grow up barracking for a side who you would love to play for and then turn around and leave as soon as the opportunity presents itself unless there was something horribly wrong within the fabric of the club.

What then are his options 2 years down the track, when he's spent 26 of GWS' 44 matches playing in the ACTAFL, because Sheedy is even less inclined to condone his lack of effort than Craig is/was?

Walker's current situation is self inflicted, it's not the result of poor coaching or a coach who is playing favourites. Walker's performances against St Kilda and Melbourne would not have been tolerated by any coach in the league - not Craig, not Roos, not Malthouse, not Sheedy, not McKenna, not Lyons.

 

[Vader]

Game day coaching and simply knowing how to deverlop his team to fit their ablity.

Based on what? So far McKenna hasn't shown anything, either good or bad, with his coaching.

Neil Craig understands where his team is at, they are a young and inexperienced team, yet he still beleives the best option is to make them play like a seasoned team of veterans. It's not working.

Can't disagree with this bit though.

Yes the GC have more first round picks but if you don't develop thoes players the right way, it will be a waste. See Taylor Walker for example, Neil Craig will waste his talent at the AFC due to his own stubbornness.

The only person who is wasting Taylor Walker's talent is Taylor Walker.