Crows plan Walker talks! (Part 2)

[Southerntakeover]

Laidley finished top of the table twice in a row?

Factually inaccurate. Craig only finished top once.

 

[Freddy Bassett]

Re: Crows plan Walker talks!

*sigh*

Cap, your examples are pathetic. Siddons never had the opportunity, as he didnt play a test!
Stuart Law batted once and hit 54 not out. Hodge was robbed, has a great test average and also hit a double century vs South Africa a few games before being dropped, go figure. Blewy early was great for SA in his latter years couldnt get a game. Piss weak examples!

Here is an example of a bloke who dominated at first class cricket was going to be a star but never clicked at test level. Graeme Hick

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graeme_Hick

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Hick is an interesting example.

He had to sit out of test cricket for ten years while he waited for his England qualification to come through.

During that time he dominated county cricket but was never tested against the best. He was obviously too good for that level but missed out on facing all the world's best bowlers early in his career.

Finally he got an opportunity but wasn't up to it.

Because if you play at a level that doesn't test you, your game doesn't develop, you don't reach your potential, you stagnate, you aren't forced to improve and if you do finally make the jump to the next level you are unable to handle it, as you've become accustomed to a lower intensity.

I think there's a lesson in that for all of us.

This is specifically why Hawthorn tolerated Franklin's inconsistency early in his career and never dropped him. Whatever laziness or slopiness he displayed in the AFL, he would get away with triple in the VFL.

 

[Cap]

Re: Crows plan Walker talks!

Cap, your examples are pathetic. Siddons never had the opportunity, as he didnt play a test!
Stuart Law batted once and hit 54 not out. Hodge was robbed, has a great test average and also hit a double century vs South Africa a few games before being dropped, go figure. Blewy early was great for SA in his latter years couldnt get a game. Piss weak examples!

Here is an example of a bloke who dominated at first class cricket was going to be a star but never clicked at test level. Graeme Hick

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graeme_Hick

But that still doesn't make him a flat track bully.

 

[beartoo]

People keep talking about Tex and GWS. I doubt, given Tex's failings, that GWS have shown him the money or that they are interested in signing him. Unrealised potential does not usually = big bucks. Taylor needs to string good games together to be a recruiting target. He rarely plays two at a stretch.

 

[Cap]

Hick is an interesting example.

He had to sit out of test cricket for ten years while he waited for his England qualification to come through.

During that time he dominated county cricket but was never tested against the best. He was obviously too good for that level but missed out on facing all the world's best bowlers early in his career.

Finally he got an opportunity but wasn't up to it.

Because if you play at a level that doesn't test you, your game doesn't develop, you don't reach your potential, you stagnate, you aren't forced to improve and if you do finally make the jump to the next level you are unable to handle it, as you've become accustomed to a lower intensity.

I think there's a lesson in that for all of us.

This is specifically why Hawthorn tolerated Franklin's inconsistency early in his career and never dropped him. Whatever laziness or slopiness he displayed in the AFL, he would get away with triple in the VFL.

Sounds like the entire development path of every SA born cricket player in the last 10-15 years ex Dizzy.

 

[ruscy002]

Hick is an interesting example.

He had to sit out of test cricket for ten years while he waited for his England qualification to come through.

During that time he dominated county cricket but was never tested against the best. He was obviously too good for that level but missed out on facing all the world's best bowlers early in his career.

Finally he got an opportunity but wasn't up to it.

Because if you play at a level that doesn't test you, your game doesn't develop, you don't reach your potential, you stagnate, you aren't forced to improve and if you do finally make the jump to the next level you are unable to handle it, as you've become accustomed to a lower intensity.

I think there's a lesson in that for all of us.

This is specifically why Hawthorn tolerated Franklin's inconsistency early in his career and never dropped him. Whatever laziness or slopiness he displayed in the AFL, he would get away with triple in the VFL.

I totally agree with this line of thinking. That's not to say that Walker should get away with being lazy, but there has to be a better way to deal with this issue while he's still playing at AFL level.

Remember a couple of years ago Mooney and S Johnson had a competition to see who could end up with the most goal assists at the end of the year? This brought about an excellent culture of unselfish footy in their forward line. Tippett needs to buddy up with Walker and put a wager on inside 50 tackles, I'm sure that'd generate some interest in the skill for Tex

 

[Freddy Bassett]

If his career ended right now he would look like exactly that, A flat track Bully..... It isnt exactly a bad thing either.... If he didnt go back and make SANFL ( which is a bloody good comp, how many games have you played let alone dominated) look like a breeze we wouldnt talk about it....

Taylor IMO will one day do to the AFL what he does to the SANFL and has done since day 1. Unfortunately I cant see it being with us

 

[Elite Crow]

We should get used to Taylor not playing for us, I can't see the point in playing him again. The only hope he has of being with the Crows next year is if we have a new coach.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

We should get used to Taylor not playing for us, I can't see the point in playing him again. The only hope he has of being with the Crows next year is if we have a new coach.

Sad isn't it.

That's what i'm thinking as well.

Even if he doesn't go the GWS, why would he stay?

 

[rayven]

Two years ago he got dropped because of his defensive efforts were not up to scratch, same thing last year, same again this year. He is not learning, his opponant they say is hurting us on the rebound, Sheedy can have him.


Though if its the coach that is the problem, whose better for our club? we don't want to make the same mistake trying to keep the Edwards and Mcleod in the same club.

 

[swanfan]

Two years ago he got dropped because of his defensive efforts were not up to scratch, same thing last year, same again this year. He is not learning, his opponant they say is hurting us on the rebound, Sheedy can have him.


Though if its the coach that is the problem, whose better for our club? we don't want to make the same mistake trying to keep the Edwards and Mcleod in the same club.

I just see us regretting this, if Taylor is to leave.

 

[Elite Crow]

We will regret it, no doubt. At some stage he will get his defensive shit together but it won't be with us. You get the feeling he isn't playing for Craig and doesn't give a shit about listening to him.

 

[swanfan]

We will regret it, no doubt. At some stage he will get his defensive shit together but it won't be with us. You get the feeling he isn't playing for Craig and doesn't give a shit about listening to him.

I've always felt that.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

We will regret it, no doubt. At some stage he will get his defensive shit together but it won't be with us. You get the feeling he isn't playing for Craig and doesn't give a shit about listening to him.

Yep, agree with this and his performances for Norwood demonstrate this as well. I don’t believe he is lazy one bit, I believe he is an insubordinate little shit who has a tendency to toss his skirt over his head and have a huge huff because something hasn’t gone his way but in no means is he lazy.

Get a new coach and watch his development. Sadly, i believe it will be at a different club and that will suck.

 

[swanfan]

Yep, agree with this and his performances for Norwood demonstrate this as well. I don’t believe he is lazy one bit, I believe he is an insubordinate little shit who has a tendency to toss his skirt over his head and have a huge huff because something hasn’t gone his way but in no means is he lazy.

Get a new coach and watch his development. Sadly, i believe it will be at a different club and that will suck.

You see it in the big leagues and amateurs, get a coach who you don't see eye to eye with and watch the performance wane.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Trust me Walker is gone and I don't blame him.

Great year for the Super Coach to have a fall out with one of the few young stars we have on out list.

 

[swanfan]

Trust me Walker is gone and I don't blame him.

Great year for the Super Coach to have a fall out with one of the few young stars we have on out list.

Reminds me of an ex-coach I had, soon as I made one error in his eyes, it was straight to the bench.

His wife, who was our runner, berated him at half-time for what she called "unnecessary" dragging.

Told the club I played for, keep that clown on and I'm gone and a few other player swill be too.

Before the season was over, he was told he wouldn't be coaching the next year.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

You see it in the big leagues and amateurs, get a coach who you don't see eye to eye with and watch the performance wane.

I used to see it almost every day at work when I used to work in HR. When a mentor wouldn’t/couldn’t get along with their protégé because of work ethic, personalities clashes or ego – progress would never get achieved. .Both parties are to blame but as soon as that relationship was changed, the amount of times progress was demonstrated by the protégé was out of site.

I believe the problem between Craig and Walker is personality and motivation, not his lack of effort or perceived laziness.

 

[CrowFan83]

People keep talking about Tex and GWS. I doubt, given Tex's failings, that GWS have shown him the money or that they are interested in signing him. Unrealised potential does not usually = big bucks. Taylor needs to string good games together to be a recruiting target. He rarely plays two at a stretch.

I think he rarely plays two in a row due to the rubbish game plan and/or the coach(es) negating his natural instinct and talent. The SANFL is all about good old fashioned footy where he dominates a lot.

I think he is a target for GWS, greater coaches than NC will have recognised his talent and back themselves to help him realise his potential. Possibly even employ a game plan that gives him dcent opportunities rather than our current 'lets over possess the footy in the backline until the other team floods back or we turn it over for an easy goal'.

I almost pissed myself laughing when NC mentioned he thought VB would be a great target for GWS - um, what!? On what basis Neil? His midfied dominance? Sublime skills? I think this well and truly highlighted how stupid NC is in my opinion.

Unrealised potential doesn't equal big bucks? Kurt Tippet says hello. I haven't seen $600K worth of performance from him, seems like he is getting paid based on what he MIGHT be able to bring.

I don't know how Freo fans felt about McLeod ending up with us but I have a feeling that if Walker leaves we are going to know what it feels like to see an absolute talent flourish at a different club, sadly this is probably going to be the only legacy NC leaves the Crows with.

 

[birdmanptr]

We should get used to Taylor not playing for us, I can't see the point in playing him again. The only hope he has of being with the Crows next year is if we have a new coach.

Thats what i was thinking,but i doubt if the GWS offer is still on the table and if it is it would not be as good as it was.

 

[Tas]

Two years ago he got dropped because of his defensive efforts were not up to scratch, same thing last year, same again this year. He is not learning, his opponant they say is hurting us on the rebound, Sheedy can have him.

Though if its the coach that is the problem, whose better for our club? we don't want to make the same mistake trying to keep the Edwards and Mcleod in the same club.

Solution is all about communication, education and encouragement, not punishment. You just have to keep reinforcing the message of what he is expected to do and on-field leadership is important in this area.

Once you drop him he is out of the system, he goes to an SANFL club and whoever coaching him might not care if he chases or not, the standard of competition isn't the same and he can probably get away with much more and has conflicting expectation.

He has amazing potential and some of the most talented players have been difficult to handle and difficult to get focused on their footy.

 

[Cap]

I'd actually love some evidence that his opponent is hurting us on the rebound.

I know it has been posted alot but is there an actual stat to confirm it?

 

[WALL-e]

I'd actually love some evidence that his opponent is hurting us on the rebound.

I know it has been posted alot but is there an actual stat to confirm it?

Would be very hard to prove this given the amount of time spent in a zone/press, not to mention defenders spend a lot of time on different opponents, but would be interesting none the less.

 

[Cap]

so there is actually no evidence that Taylor Walkers opponents have costs us more than 13 goals?