Crows plan Walker talks! (Part 2)

[Elite Crow]

Well thats my opinion on the matter but if you think i am wrong then so be it.

Like Mick Malthouse said to many people just look at the win.loss and dont take anything else into consideration.

We are playing without our first choice CHB,One of our key forwards [porps],Sooky Vince is running around kicking his bottom lip.We are still playing with one ruckman.

And none of what you have posted can justify our midfield set ups. Do you think Craig is doing a good job in that regard?

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

No news is good news

Its all speculation on Walker GWS have said no signings till later in the year.

What you talking about willis?

You want him gone, you have said so a number of time. Even as early as today and I quote “I hope Sydney pick him up”

 

[birdmanptr]

And none of what you have posted can justify our midfield set ups. Do you think Craig is doing a good job in that regard?

Could be better,but if you have not got the cattle what can you do.

Vince and Douglas are way down on form,Danger cant go in there cause of his hand,Reilly and Symes just aint up to it.The only one having ago is Thommo.

 

[ruscy002]

I see. The test of a good coach is getting the best out of the squad that they have available.

Fair enough.

The activities of a coach could be put under two categories: 1) Build and maintain a team capable of winning a premiership; 2) Get the most out of that team in order to win said premiership.

There are attributes that a coach must have (or be able to call upon from other people) in order to tick all of the boxes in each category to achieve and continue to be able to achieve the ultimate success.

I'm not going to tell you that being able to win the big games isn't an important attribute because it is, however the week before that grand final the Redlegs pulled out an absolute miracle to make it to the GF.

Bassett is about as close to developing a trend as a choker as Craigy is of developing a trend as a premiership coach.

 

[Elite Crow]

Could be better,but if you have not got the cattle what can you do.

Vince and Douglas are way down on form,Danger cant go in there cause of his hand,Reilly and Symes just aint up to it.The only one having ago is Thommo.

Thats the players, what about the set up? You know where players stand in relation to their ruckman and opposition?

 

[ruscy002]

Thats the players, what about the set up? You know where players stand in relation to their ruckman and opposition?

Whoa!!! Slow down egg head!

 

[birdmanptr]

What you talking about willis?

You want him gone, you have said so a number of time. Even as early as today and I quote “I hope Sydney pick him up”

Yes that is correct i am not fussed if he goes but i was replying to a post which said i was hoping for some news on Walker and for those who want him to stay no news is good news.I also passed on the info i heard on SEN where Sheedy said no signings till later in the year.

Also if you read another one of my posts i think the odds of him going are getting a bit longer Vince is now looking as the more likley to go.MY OPINION only.

 

[birdmanptr]

Thats the players, what about the set up? You know where players stand in relation to their ruckman and opposition?

You would hope these highly paid footballers could work things out for themselves once on the field.

 

[Vader]

Yeah, if you simplify the opposing arguments into a bunch of pre-school level analysis style strawmen it certainly does become alot easier to respond.

Agreed.. it's a pity both sides have to stoop to the same abysmally low level.

Exhibit A:

However, you're missing some of the warped logic the pro-Craig crowd are desperately trying to latch on to.

Which is that Blight was flagless when we hired him. Neil is flagless.

Therefore Blight = Craig and we should keep him.

 

[Elite Crow]

You would hope these highly paid footballers could work things out for themselves once on the field.

Not if they are instructed to set up in a certain way. Or are you saying they should go against their coach because he has the set ups so wrong?

Seriously BPT sometimes I am staggered with what you are trying to argue. I swear you take a position because its the opposite of what is logical and you won't backdown even though your position is falling apart, you are either trolling or you indeed are Neil Craig.

 

[birdmanptr]

Not if they are instructed to set up in a certain way. Or are you saying they should go against their coach because he has the set ups so wrong?

Seriously BPT sometimes I am staggered with what you are trying to argue. I swear you take a position because its the opposite of what is logical and you won't backdown even though your position is falling apart, you are either trolling or you indeed are Neil Craig.

I am sure they would be allowed to change things up if needed.

Like you have said i am wrong.Lets hope the new guy has us playing finals next year.

 

[Elite Crow]

I am sure they would be allowed to change things up if needed.

Like you have said i am wrong.Lets hope the new guy has us playing finals next year.

But why would they need to change it if he had it right?

 

[cmndstab]

Arguments along the lines that Malthouse received a lot of time at Collingwood to deliver a grand final, so therefore Craig should at the Crows, are always doomed to fail. By that logic, absolutely anyone should be given lots of time. What needs to be asked if, why was Malthouse given so long, and does Craig have those attributes?


I've been a big Craig supporter, but he's no Mick Malthouse. Most other past coaches in the league were not given so long without delivering premierships. To claim that this is because all the other teams were short-sighted and only Collingwood had the foresight to keep their coach on until he won the big one is a very difficult position to defend.


If somebody can put forward a convincing argument that Craig has the attributes to rebuild a squad into premiership contenders, then I'm happy with him staying on as coach. If the club has good reason to believe it, I'm happy enough to put my faith into their judgement. Otherwise, we need to find someone else.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Agreed.. it's a pity both sides have to stoop to the same abysmally low level.

Exhibit A:

Sigh.

Are you not following? I'll spell it out with small words.

I believe the only criteria for a successful coach is winning a flag. If Bass takes an average squad into the top three and loses the GF isn't that the last thing the Crows need?

A FEW GOOD MEN is making a rather clever observation here. Us Sack Craig Crowd constantly point at Neil's inability to win a premiership in 7 years, but we fawn all over Bassett.

AFGM points out here that Bass actually faltered (eventually) in the finals last season as well, which is exactly what Craig gets criticised for.

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When Malcolm Blight came to Adelaide he had won nearly 60% of "minor round" matches over 7 seasons but had never won the big one.

When we sack Craigy at the end of the year perhaps we should look for a coach with similar credentials to Blighty

And here again A Few Good Men (who I'm fast gaining respect for) has again made a clever observation.

He points out that Blight was a coach with nearly a 60% winning percentage who hadn't cracked it for a flag in 7 years of coaching. Then of course he took over at the AFC and won two flags.

Do we know anyone like that? AFGM asks, tongue in cheek. Maybe we should appoint them. Nearly 60% winning record? Seven years of coaching? Hasn't cracked it for a flag yet?

Anyone?

Hang on... how about Neil?

AFGM has rather cleverly pointed out that the Messiah Blighty of 1996 and Pariah Craig of 2011 actually carry a few similarities.

These posts from AFGM were quite clever, poked fun at some foibles of the anti-Craig argument and made same key points in quite a subtle way. This 'soft touch' posting seems to have gone over your head. Some of us on the other hand saw what he was alluding to, whereas it seems some have taken his posts at face value. Hence:

However, you're missing some of the warped logic the pro-Craig crowd are desperately trying to latch on to.

Which is that Blight was flagless when we hired him. Neil is flagless.

Therefore Blight = Craig and we should keep him.

Which is a vastly simplified, though ultimately accurate, summary of AFGM's posts. These 'abysmal' standards you are referring to are in actual fact just a sign that you aren't able to keep up with the tone or content of the conversation.

 

[relapse]

Arguments along the lines that Malthouse received a lot of time at Collingwood to deliver a grand final, so therefore Craig should at the Crows, are always doomed to fail. By that logic, absolutely anyone should be given lots of time. What needs to be asked if, why was Malthouse given so long, and does Craig have those attributes?


I've been a big Craig supporter, but he's no Mick Malthouse. Most other past coaches in the league were not given so long without delivering premierships. To claim that this is because all the other teams were short-sighted and only Collingwood had the foresight to keep their coach on until he won the big one is a very difficult position to defend.


If somebody can put forward a convincing argument that Craig has the attributes to rebuild a squad into premiership contenders, then I'm happy with him staying on as coach. If the club has good reason to believe it, I'm happy enough to put my faith into their judgement. Otherwise, we need to find someone else.

Agree 100 percent

Anyone trying to compare Malthouse to Craig is drawing a very long bow.

When you have a resume including 5 grand finals and 2 premierships obviously you can be afforded time. Neil has acheived no more than people like Grant Thomas and Chris Connelly who were both sacked despite achieving the same level of success as Craig

 

[Allefgib]

Sigh.

Are you not following? I'll spell it out with small words.



A FEW GOOD MEN is making a rather clever observation here. Us Sack Craig Crowd constantly point at Neil's inability to win a premiership in 7 years, but we fawn all over Bassett.

AFGM points out here that Bass actually faltered (eventually) in the finals last season as well, which is exactly what Craig gets criticised for.


And here again A Few Good Men (who I'm fast gaining respect for) has again made a clever observation.

He points out that Blight was a coach with nearly a 60% winning percentage who hadn't cracked it for a flag in 7 years of coaching. Then of course he took over at the AFC and won two flags.

Do we know anyone like that? AFGM asks, tongue in cheek. Maybe we should appoint them. Nearly 60% winning record? Seven years of coaching? Hasn't cracked it for a flag yet?

Anyone?

Hang on... how about Neil?

AFGM has rather cleverly pointed out that the Messiah Blighty of 1996 and Pariah Craig of 2011 actually carry a few similarities.

These posts from AFGM were quite clever, poked fun at some foibles of the anti-Craig argument and made same key points in quite a subtle way. This 'soft touch' posting seems to have gone over your head. Some of us on the other hand saw what he was alluding to, whereas it seems some have taken his posts at face value. Hence:



Which is a vastly simplified, though ultimately accurate, summary of AFGM's posts. These 'abysmal' standards you are referring to are in actual fact just a sign that you aren't able to keep up with the tone or content of the conversation.

damn you carl.. i was rushing in from the bus to post on this.

'No boys... don't fall for it... don't fall for it.. don't fall for it... ahh.... ****.'

 

[birdmanptr]

Agree 100 percent

Anyone trying to compare Malthouse to Craig is drawing a very long bow.

When you have a resume including 5 grand finals and 2 premierships obviously you can be afforded time. Neil has acheived no more than people like Grant Thomas and Chris Connelly who were both sacked despite achieving the same level of success as Craig

I was comparing the team situation of Collingwood and us,not performing how it should be even West Coast last year.

 

[Elite Crow]

Rowey on 5AA has an update. His mail which comes from a close friend of the Walkers from Broken Hill, claims no one from the GWS has spoken to Walker, his management or any family member. Walker is keen to stay here. But Essendon are reportedly very interested and have been in contact.

If true very interesting.

 

[jenny61_99]

And very remiss of GWS if that is the case???

 

[srv23]

Rowey on 5AA has an update. His mail which comes from a close friend of the Walkers from Broken Hill, claims no one from the GWS has spoken to Walker, his management or any family member. Walker is keen to stay here. But Essendon are reportedly very interested and have been in contact.

If true very interesting.

If true, and GWS is not keen and Walker wants to stay, surely he will stay. Unlikely Essendon would be able to put a "too good to be true" financial offer that is that much higher than ours.

 

[Chief Crow]

And very remiss of GWS if that is the case???

Not if they are chasing / got someone else from us.

 

[jenny61_99]

Not if they are chasing / got someone else from us.

I'm happy it's not Tex if that's true.

 

[Bovo]

He said, she said, I said, we said.

Until he has a contract which is signed, sealed, and delivered then this is all hear say.

The reality is this. We have had a schit team this year, and he has found it difficult to keep his place in the side. I daresay that Walker would not be in GWS's top 5 targets, thats for sure.

 

[A FEW GOOD MEN]

If true, and GWS is not keen and Walker wants to stay, surely he will stay. Unlikely Essendon would be able to put a "too good to be true" financial offer that is that much higher than ours.

If Essendon wants Taylor, how will they arrange this? Either they make a sensational trade offer to us or he can threaten to go in the pre-season draft.

The problem for Melbourne clubs this year is that the Melbourne clubs will be well down the batting order for the pre-season draft. There's a good chance we will get our first pick prior to any Melbourne club so if GWS, Gold Coast, Brisbane and Port don't take him (as if) then we will have a pick before Essendon and can claim him back. The same applies to the Carlton space travellers who think they will pick up Talia for a packet of chewing gum.

Regarding GWS, I find it hard to believe that they will try to build a forward line around a tall forward that doesn't take contested marks. On the other hand if he played for Geelong he would be kicking a lot of goals. Who would Essendon offer us for TW? Now Menzel may make us sit up and pay attention.

 

[Bovo]

Who would Essendon offer us for TW? Now Menzel may make us sit up and pay attention.

You mean who would we take? You gotta look at a player like Monfries??