Crows plan Walker talks!

[CaptainDangerfield]

I'm a big Tippett fan but I would give up his salary in a heartbeat if it meant keeping Walker. At best, Tippett will be a very good player whereas Walker will be a superstar.

BTW as for Biglands, he commentates like he plays, shithouse.

 

[Crow-mo]

Thats it. The whole deal with the Tribe, the checkside thing with Smarty and the increased media exposure for Tex this year....well, it doesnt seem like we would be thrusting him into the limelight if we thought he would be effing off at the end of the year. Unless we though it would have some bearing on our compensation somehow.

didn't we push bock out into the media spotlight to give an interview and flush him out? try and put pressure on him?

he just read from the GC script. as he should.

 

[cammo6556]

didn't we push bock out into the media spotlight to give an interview and flush him out? try and put pressure on him?

he just read from the GC script. as he should.

if thats true you have a better memory than I... or the media didnt reach melbourne. either way. still seems a strange way of going about it (the videos and such) but i guess we have to assume the club know what they are doing.

 

[Geoffa32]

I wonder if Tails14 lurks on BF.

 

[relapse]

I'm a big Tippett fan but I would give up his salary in a heartbeat if it meant keeping Walker. At best, Tippett will be a very good player whereas Walker will be a superstar.

BTW as for Biglands, he commentates like he plays, shithouse.

I agree

Tippett will be a very servicable player for us, but I really believe that Walker will be a superstar, I just hope that if he loves the club that he will want to stay and be remembered as one of the great crows players of all time.You'll get money at GWS, but not much else.

 

[1990crow]

I wonder if Tails14 lurks on BF.

Lol.. I'd be betting on whatever information he gives us . I can't see him leaving, it's his dream to play for the Crows I'm sorry but I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Tippett is capable of being the best forward in the AFL (if he gets his kicking to level it was at the end of 09 again).

Lets not slight him.

 

[crowman_23]

Tippett is capable of being the best forward in the AFL (if he gets his kicking to level it was at the end of 09 again).

Lets not slight him.

Exactly right ST. I understand the mentality of those saying they'd prefer Walker, but saying Tippett will be a 'servicable player' like relapse is ridiculous. Has the potential to be anything when he gets everything in order. Right now it still is just potential, but he has shown a damn lot to suggest he could be great.

 

[Crow-mo]

lets not hope we have to rely on bushleague bullshit like love of the club.

hopefully we can put a compelling case to him that stands on its own merit

 

[StonesThrow]

hopefully we can put a compelling case to him that stands on its own merit

such as? lol

you have: money (most compelling to a youngster such as Taylor and something we can't come close to matching), loyalty and location/living conditions.

I dunno depends on the guys character. He might be the type who thinks "i can still have a good life on this money, stay with my mates and play for the team i love". Or he could be one who thinks "gee this money will really set me up in life, how could i turn it down?".

I'm only a few years older than Walker so I can say that big money would be a massive drawcard. Footy only lasts so long. But at the end of the day who really knows how close he has gotten with his teamates or the love for the club/city ect. Wait and see.

 

[crowralph]

problem we have is that we appear to have a pretty good young list. hopefully taylor re-signs, but a month after he has there'll be another name in lights that none of us want to lease and we'll be at it again. unlike gc, i don't think many clubs are going to miss losing a player to gws. firstly, it's how sheedy operates, he's always been a bit of a recycler. secondly, if gc continues to get spanked week in week out, then you'd be crazy to repeat their model. thirdly, gws have 2 years to get their guys.

so we find an extra $200k a season to keep walker, then another $150k to keep the next player they're after. pretty soon your out of cap space and can't even afford to pay players what they're worth. so you run the risk of losing the next player to gws anyway and maybe a couple to other clubs who simply want their fair whack.

i'm resigned to losing someone, it's just a matter of who and when.

 

[FR0GGY]

One possibility that hasn't really been discussed but proberbly should given our club, is a long term injury. How could it play out? If he got a long term injury.
If he had signed would he come out and announce? Would the GWS offer less would we offer less. Could it work in our favour? Hopefully for him and us supporters from a playing perspective, he doesn't get injured

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

problem we have is that we appear to have a pretty good young list. hopefully taylor re-signs, but a month after he has there'll be another name in lights that none of us want to lease and we'll be at it again. unlike gc, i don't think many clubs are going to miss losing a player to gws. firstly, it's how sheedy operates, he's always been a bit of a recycler. secondly, if gc continues to get spanked week in week out, then you'd be crazy to repeat their model. thirdly, gws have 2 years to get their guys.

so we find an extra $200k a season to keep walker, then another $150k to keep the next player they're after. pretty soon your out of cap space and can't even afford to pay players what they're worth. so you run the risk of losing the next player to gws anyway and maybe a couple to other clubs who simply want their fair whack.

i'm resigned to losing someone, it's just a matter of who and when.

You're right. Unless you're winning flags it is difficult to hang on to everyone.

Untouchable: Dangerfield, Davis, Johncock, Knights, Sloane, S Thompson, Tippett, Vince, Walker

Ones we can afford to lose: Douglas, Gunston, Henderson, Jacobs, Jaensch, Mackay, Maric, Martin, McKernan, Otten, Porplyzia, Reilly, Rutten, Smith, Tambling, L Thompson, van Berlo

Ones no one would want: Armstrong, Cook, Craig, Doughty, Lyons, Moran, Petrenko, Sellar, Shaw, Stevens, Symes, Talia, Young

You might disagree with my classifications but who cares, the important thing is that the AFC recognises our players in these broad categories and that their pay is reflected accordingly.

 

[Macjoe]

The club has to stop pussyfooting around and find out exactly what Walker wants to get his signature and then come to terms with him and get it done, if we leave it till the end of the year we'll lose him.

Aren't we only paying about 95% of our salary cap so we have room for what we knew would be a tough fight to keep Walker?

Phil Harper was on 5AA yesterday. In response to questions from Rowe and Cornes he said:

• AFC and Walker's management talked - they knew Adelaides offer.
• Walker's management would be negligent if they were not also in touch with GWS.
• Walker's management has said they will not negotiate until later in the year.
• Phil has told the media this before - it hasn't stopped speculation.
• Tex could only say the same, and that wouldn't stop speculation either.
• Adelaide is currently almost at 100% of salary cap - in direct response to a Cornes question he said "... 99.9%...".

Sorry, can't find any link on the 5AA site.

 

[cmndstab]

Yeah, I was going to query the 95% call as well. My understanding was that we're much closer to 100% than that. Whether that's because we're back-ending contracts or not, I'm not sure.

 

[lunacy]

Phil Harper was on 5AA yesterday. In response to questions from Rowe and Cornes he said:

• AFC and Walker's management talked - they knew Adelaides offer.
• Walker's management would be negligent if they were not also in touch with GWS.
• Walker's management has said they will not negotiate until later in the year.
• Phil has told the media this before - it hasn't stopped speculation.
• Tex could only say the same, and that wouldn't stop speculation either.
• Adelaide is currently almost at 100% of salary cap - in direct response to a Cornes question he said "... 99.9%...".

Sorry, can't find any link on the 5AA site.

Well then we're screwed. Obviously (unless they have backended contracts) we won't be able to offer Tex anymore than he's on now . Plus we have guys like Vince, Otten, Davis, Mckernan etc who will be able to demand more as well.

Gees how much did we offer Tambling, Knights, Thompson last year. We have no room yet 80% of our list will be demanding more in coming years and we have no highly paid players leaving to ease the pressure.

Losing someone is now a guarantee . If Walker was offered $700k it seems at best we could only offer something like $200k.

Very disappointing Mr Harper if true . Should have had a lot more forward planning. How the hell do Collingwood manage to keep everyone?

 

[Vader]

Well then we're screwed. Obviously (unless they have backended contracts) we won't be able to offer Tex anymore than he's on now . Plus we have guys like Vince, Otten, Davis, Mckernan etc who will be able to demand more as well.

Gees how much did we offer Tambling, Knights, Thompson last year. We have no room yet 80% of our list will be demanding more in coming years and we have no highly paid players leaving to ease the pressure.

Losing someone is now a guarantee . If Walker was offered $700k it seems at best we could only offer something like $200k.

Very disappointing Mr Harper if true . Should have had a lot more forward planning. How the hell do Collingwood manage to keep everyone?

The current AFLPA Collective Bargaining agreement expires this year. The players are expecting a hefty rise in the salary cap for the next agreement. The AFL are hoping to reap over $1B for the next broadcast rights agreement (which also expires this year) and the players are hoping to claim a large slice of that pie. The AFC will have taken this into account when planning out their player contracts.

Let's not assume that the AFC management are a bunch of idiots. They're highly professional personnel who have a lot of experience in managing the player salaries under the salary cap. They know what they are doing.

FWIW, we'd be less screwed if the contracts were frontended than backended. This would mean that the players are getting more now, but less in future years (when we need to have the money available for the players you mentioned).

I can't see Vince being able to justify another payrise, given how poor his 2010 performances were. Depends on how he goes in 2011 I guess. Even so, I really can't see him getting much more than what he's already on. Otten, Davis & McKernan on the other hand...

As for no players leaving... this is almost certainly Doughty's last year. Mind you, half his salary is outside the cap as he's on the veteran list.

Walker's not worth $700k and I doubt even GWS would be offering him that much. Right now, assuming he kicks 50 goals this year, he'll be worth about $400k (give or take $50k). $700k would place him in the top 20 earners in the league - and he's an awfully long way off justifying that sort of pay rise.

Ah, thanks. That's different to what I heard. In that case they were up against a 1st grade Sydney side and that is different to a 2nd grade composite side as I understood.

You might be thinking about this game, which was played before the start of the MMC:
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/greater-western-sydney-giants-lose-their-first-afl-trial-match-to-an-act-team-in-canberra/story-e6frf33l-1226005035055

 

[afc1991]

Well then we're screwed. Obviously (unless they have backended contracts) we won't be able to offer Tex anymore than he's on now . Plus we have guys like Vince, Otten, Davis, Mckernan etc who will be able to demand more as well.

Gees how much did we offer Tambling, Knights, Thompson last year. We have no room yet 80% of our list will be demanding more in coming years and we have no highly paid players leaving to ease the pressure.

Losing someone is now a guarantee . If Walker was offered $700k it seems at best we could only offer something like $200k.

Very disappointing Mr Harper if true . Should have had a lot more forward planning. How the hell do Collingwood manage to keep everyone?

Well I notice we're still paying Jacky, it wouldnt be much, but its cash for someone not even on the list.

Stevens comes out of contract. I'd be saying, look we cant fit you, we've been overpaying you for years, you need to take the minimum or we have to torney you. Perhaps a similar story for Reilly?

Dogga to retire as vader says.

Its a squeeze, the club will have to be a bit ruthless and get creative I think. Ultimately someone will bolt, just need to keep the best players together for the next 2-5 seasons, and hopefully jag a flag.

 

[afc1991]

Exactly right ST. I understand the mentality of those saying they'd prefer Walker, but saying Tippett will be a 'servicable player' like relapse is ridiculous. Has the potential to be anything when he gets everything in order. Right now it still is just potential, but he has shown a damn lot to suggest he could be great.

I agree, but the thing with Tip is I think we've seen exactly what we are getting, his only upside now is a bit more consistency and better goalkicking. Still makes for an outstanding player.

Funny how we get on and off these tall forwards, at the start of the cup it was who cares about tex, we have smack.

 

[Southerntakeover]

I agree, but the thing with Tip is I think we've seen exactly what we are getting, his only upside now is a bit more consistency and better goalkicking. Still makes for an outstanding player.

Funny how we get on and off these tall forwards, at the start of the cup it was who cares about tex, we have smack.

The upside with Tip is his second half of 09, where he kicked 40 something goals in the last 10 or so games...

Tippett provides something that Walker at this point doesnt. A marking target. Tippett is pretty much the strongest contested marking forward in the league. Walkers kicking goals, and I love it, but do you ever notice just how few of them seem to come from marks?

 

[afc1991]

The upside with Tip is his second half of 09, where he kicked 40 something goals in the last 10 or so games...

Tippett provides something that Walker at this point doesnt. A marking target. Tippett is pretty much the strongest contested marking forward in the league. Walkers kicking goals, and I love it, but do you ever notice just how few of them seem to come from marks?

Yeah dont disagree, and have always said Tex plays more like that opportunist forward we've been lacking than a KPP, so far.

Just saying I think Kurt is more of a known quanitiy. I dont think he's going to add any new strings to his game. Tex on the other hand may take more grabs.

I want them both, the dour competetive athletic Tippett, and the mercurial Tex. Its a good combination and in the long run they should both be better off for having the other in the side.

 

[Southerntakeover]

I dont think Tippett is really that dour. People forget it, but hes not exactly terrible at snapping goals himself. In particular he had quite a nice knack of plucking the ball out of ruck and slamming it through at one point.

I dont disagree with you though, Walker probably has more improvement left in him. Lets just not forget that he'll need alot of that improvement before he matches what Tippett provides. Tippett's kicking is one of the single greatest factors in our clubs success (or not) this year.

 

[Stiffy_18]

I dont think Tippett is really that dour. People forget it, but hes not exactly terrible at snapping goals himself. In particular he had quite a nice knack of plucking the ball out of ruck and slamming it through at one point.

I dont disagree with you though, Walker probably has more improvement left in him. Lets just not forget that he'll need alot of that improvement before he matches what Tippett provides. Tippett's kicking is one of the single greatest factors in our clubs success (or not) this year.

Walker is flash, Tippett is substance! Two very different players and both good in their own right.

Anyone that doubt Tippett's superstar potential doesn't know much about football. He is arguably one of the toughest match ups in the league. When he is on, he is impossible to stop. He looks gangly and not silky smooth but he is our most important player.

If Tippett can improve his kicking for goal, he is 80 goal forward. His marking is easily the best at the Crows and arguably in the AFL (certainly in the top echelon) and his ability below his knees for a player of his size is unreal.

 

[Cap]

so stiffy your a Tippet>Walker type of guy?

I think the substance over flash is a bit harsh personally.

Walker albeit at a lower level (the SANFL) is a proven goal scorer given the opportunity so I don't think he is a just a flash.

 

[Stiffy_18]

so stiffy your a Tippet>Walker type of guy?

I think the substance over flash is a bit harsh personally.

Walker albeit at a lower level (the SANFL) is a proven goal scorer given the opportunity so I don't think he is a just a flash.

Not necessarily!

I like flair but I also appreciate and understand the importance of things that others might consider as dull!

Walker is a genuine talent and a goal kicker even at the AFL level. He can turn the game on its head in a 5 minute span!

I like both guys and I think we need to keep both if we to be as good as I think we can be.

I am not selling Walker short because he does have the potential to be a superstar. I am just disagreeing with those that think that Tippett doesn't have that potential because he has. He might not be the natural footballer that Walker is but he is just as (if not more) of a match winner.