Crows plan Walker talks!

[Vader]

Thinking about this.. I heard it on Trade Week Radio, also:

OUT:

Goodwin (Vetran)
McLeod (Vetran)
Edwards (Vetran)
Bock
Burton (Vetran)
Hentschel
Griffin
Jacky

Whilst Goodwin, McLeod, Edwards and Burton were veteran's, 3/4 of their wages would be pretty significant (4 veterans means 1/4 of their salary is outside of the cap not 1/2). Bock's wage would have been okay, Jacky's was massive.

My guess; $2m out.

Edwards & Burton were never on the veterans list, only McLeod & Goodwin. So.. 50% of McLeod & Goodwin's salary were outside the cap, but 100% of Edwards' & Burton's were included.

I'm fairly sure that Tippett's contract would have included a fairly significant boost in 2011, with the club almost certain that the veterans would have been gone. Combine that with Thompson & Knights both getting increases and Jacobs signing on for a fairly large slice of pie and the gap is almost completely covered.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

We are living in fantasy land if we think we can fit all of our players in the salary cap, especially with GWS throwing money around left, right and centre.
The upside is if we lose Walker we should be able to keep Paddy, Sloane, Knights, Tip and McKernan. If Walker signs we definately lose one from the group I have mentioned. Even without the GC and GWS it would have been near on impossible to keep all of our young gun non-SA kids. I suppose at least we would have received fair compensation. A low 2nd or 3rd rounder for a talent like Walker is a disgrace.

 

[relapse]

Exactly right ST. I understand the mentality of those saying they'd prefer Walker, but saying Tippett will be a 'servicable player' like relapse is ridiculous. Has the potential to be anything when he gets everything in order. Right now it still is just potential, but he has shown a damn lot to suggest he could be great.

Maybe using the term serviceable might be understating Tippett's ability, but I am concerned that Tippett after having an outstanding 2009 seems to be struggling somewhat since gaining closer attention from opposition clubs and his kicking for goal still remains a concern.

Considering how much he is now being paid, I find it interesting that we are still relying on his potential. How long does he have to "get everything in order"? He's 24 this year and entering into the prime of his career. To put it in perspective Buddy is only 6 months older and has been dominating the AFL since he was 21, time is rapidly running out for him to take the next step and to actually become the star forward that we have been touting him as.

Tippett will be a good player for us, but whether in retrospect he is worth the lofty contract and whether he is a future star forward of the comp, I still think the jury is well and truly out on this.
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[footy4ever]

I am concerned that Tippett after having an outstanding 2009 seems to be struggling somewhat since gaining closer attention from opposition clubs and his kicking for goal still remains a concern.

Every time he went near the ball today he had opposition - one right up his clacker and one sandwiching from the front, with a crumber on the ground. He takes 3 players on, and yet we were unable to expose the holes that would leave elsewhere. There needs to be a rethink about our forward movement and structure.

 

[JP Sauce]

We must have some cap room left, how could we possibly be paying this team the same amount as Collingwood?

 

[relapse]

Every time he went near the ball today he had opposition - one right up his clacker and one sandwiching from the front, with a crumber on the ground. He takes 3 players on, and yet we were unable to expose the holes that would leave elsewhere. There needs to be a rethink about our forward movement and structure.

There's no doubt that we need to be smarter with our ball use going forward, no point with long bombs to Tippett if he has 2-3 players trying to spoil. The more we spread around our forward entries the less pressure there will be on Tippett when the ball does actually go to him.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Maybe using the term serviceable might be understating Tippett's ability, but I am concerned that Tippett after having an outstanding 2009 seems to be struggling somewhat since gaining closer attention from opposition clubs and his kicking for goal still remains a concern.

Considering how much he is now being paid, I find it interesting that we are still relying on his potential. How long does he have to "get everything in order"? He's 24 this year and entering into the prime of his career. To put it in perspective Buddy is only 6 months older and has been dominating the AFL since he was 21, time is rapidly running out for him to take the next step and to actually become the star forward that we have been touting him as.

Tippett will be a good player for us, but whether in retrospect he is worth the lofty contract and whether he is a future star forward of the comp, I still think the jury is well and truly out on this.
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Buddy has been playing footy since he was knee high to a grass hopper. Tippett started playing footy less than 2 years before he was drafted. He is still pretty raw but even as a raw product, he is a match up night mare for every team in the competition.

Lets not judge him on today. He is clearly underdone and lacking in match fitness (eg timing was terrible and skills well below the par)

 

[Freomaniac]

Walker had scholarship offers to Collingwood and Sydney, he turned them down and saught out Adelaide

he will not leave, he risked playing alltogether to get here, now that he is here, he will not leave.

I think it'll be
95% no one
2% Rutten (aging, and the Giants may want a rock in defence)
2% Armstrong (Sheedy loves aboriginies, and Armstrong is from NSW, he'll be spoken too, question is, does GWS want him enough to offer him a contract)
1% other

Hes a chance.

You need to realise that Gold Coast spent the whole season trying to chase Kurt Tippet but they Poached Nathan Bock.

Walkers name is Always mentioned as a GWS target. If I was GWS, If theres one uncontracted player I would definately want despite his Age It would be Johncock. Its weird that GWS are not interested in him.

even though hes 28, I would chuck a 2,3 maybe 4 year contract to help develop the young guys under him.

Its good to get some good young 21-25 year olds preferably. But If there are some good 28-31 year olds out there, some are good for a 2 year contract while the youth are developing.

GWS are going hard to Get either pearce or Ali Carlile from Port.

 

[crowman_23]

Maybe using the term serviceable might be understating Tippett's ability, but I am concerned that Tippett after having an outstanding 2009 seems to be struggling somewhat since gaining closer attention from opposition clubs and his kicking for goal still remains a concern.

Considering how much he is now being paid, I find it interesting that we are still relying on his potential. How long does he have to "get everything in order"? He's 24 this year and entering into the prime of his career. To put it in perspective Buddy is only 6 months older and has been dominating the AFL since he was 21, time is rapidly running out for him to take the next step and to actually become the star forward that we have been touting him as.

Tippett will be a good player for us, but whether in retrospect he is worth the lofty contract and whether he is a future star forward of the comp, I still think the jury is well and truly out on this.
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I agree with what you have said really, I think it was the servicable part that jumped out at me immediately.

I don't seem him hitting his straps like the general draftee, partly because of his background, but also partly because of his size. His ability in tha air on the ground is fantastic, but it will take a lot of work to get it all right.

I also think we probably have 'overpaid' him to keep the GC away. But when it comes to turning in to the key forward we think he can be, A LOT has to do with our forward 50 entries. The idea of banging it in on his head on 2 or 3 on 1's all the time is ridiculous. He always gives a contest, which is great, but it's time to start having the forward line move around and create more options.

Walker obviously has the smarts and footy brain to do it, but periods where Tippett had led he has been quite successful. While he competes extremely well in pack mark situations, they will always still arrive, he needs to move around a lot more, and then I think that matched with his pack marking, and the smarts of Walker, is when we will truly have a functioning and reliable forward line. Having said that the midfielders/half forwards need to look and bring the ball in a lot more effectively.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

We must have some cap room left, how could we possibly be paying this team the same amount as Collingwood?

It's a good point.

On the Tippett v Walker debate, let's cut to the chase. You have $500,000 to spend and you need a tall forward, who do you choose?

 

[King Elvis]

Honestly don't know.

I'd like to say Walker, but Tippett is a whole different beast; give him a couple of weeks to get back into the groove - he's almost impossible to defend on when he is.

 

[SellarStardom]

Honestly don't know.

I'd like to say Walker, but Tippett is a whole different beast; give him a couple of weeks to get back into the groove - he's almost impossible to defend on when he is.

He's easy to defend against, look at Fremantle. When we deliver it almost methodically as a long bomb and we offer little else in terms of leading or goal kicking options, all opposition teams do is put 2 or 3 up against him. Done Crows loose

 

[King Elvis]

Yea, but if he's double/triple teamed and we just keep bombing it onto his head, it doesn't matter whether it's Walker or Tippett; he's going to struggle.

 

[Vader]

He's easy to defend against, look at Fremantle. When we deliver it almost methodically as a long bomb and we offer little else in terms of leading or goal kicking options, all opposition teams do is put 2 or 3 up against him. Done Crows loose

Is it not a good thing for the Crows to have loose players?

*** Yes, I'm being deliberately obtuse. I get incredibly sick & tired of illiterate people who can't tell the difference between "lose" and "loose".

 

[King Elvis]

Harsh vader.

 

[WALL-e]

It's alright, while Vader appears evil he ultimately redeems himself at the end.

Play ball.

 

[SellarStardom]

Is it not a good thing for the Crows to have loose players?

*** Yes, I'm being deliberately obtuse. I get incredibly sick & tired of illiterate people who can't tell the difference between "lose" and "loose".

Wasn't harsh by Vader.

Illiterate..no, bad spelling demonstration ..yes.

But in reference to the post, it would be great for Adelaide to structure the forward line and plan midfield delivery to maximise loose players. However, Adelaide for the last season or two have demonstrated an inability to look for loose players and instead revert to long kicks to Tippett. We simply seem to lack to drive to push into space on rebounds or stoppage breaks and are so one dimensional in our attack style in annoys the hell out of me.

To be honest if they want to retain the long bomb I would either enforce Jaensch or bring in Milera to stay around the feet of Tippett and Walker. The same problem (long bombs with no crumbing forward and easy exit out of defense for opposition teams) cannot continue if we are to be a top side.

 

[WhySoSerious]

I'd have Walker as one of the last players on the list that I'd like to see go (Probaly Dangerman aside).

The Crows have a lot going in their favour in retaining Walker, yet this one still makes me more nervous than the whole Tippett/GC rumours, despite the fact that Tex has more reason to stay. There's no doubting the kids going to be a gun wherever he goes but I honestly dont think he will get the same opportunities at GWS that he would by staying in Adelaide. He's going to need a good team around him and I hope he keeps a close eye on the GC and the potential struggle they've found themselves in as a new club into the system.

IMO he would seriously have to consider whether he wants to stay with Adelaide and become a potential star player in a great team, or a great player in an average/good team.

 

[Vader]

Harsh vader.

It's a pet peeve of mine.

SellarStardom - please don't take it personally. This is one of the most common spelling mistakes on BigFooty and I believe it's caused by problems with the educational system. It occurs far too frequently to be a "typo". I believe it's because kids these days are taught to spell phonetically, rather than rote learning how to spell words correctly. English is can be a funny language at times... You were just unlucky to cop my response. You're certainly not the only one who makes this mistake and you're probably not even one of the worst offenders.

 

[SugarShane]

It's a pet peeve of mine.

SellarStardom - please don't take it personally. This is one of the most common spelling mistakes on BigFooty and I believe it's caused by problems with the educational system. It occurs far too frequently to be a "typo". I believe it's because kids these days are taught to spell phonetically, rather than rote learning how to spell words correctly. English is can be a funny language at times... You were just unlucky to cop my response. You're certainly not the only one who makes this mistake and you're probably not even one of the worst offenders.

I'm with you here. For such a common word, it's amazing how often it gets spelt wrong. And yet you never see loose spelt as lose.

 

[WALL-e]

Don't loose your shit guys.

 

[SugarShane]

Don't loose your shit guys.

Agree, fibre is an important part of any diet.

 

[JP Sauce]

I could care less about the spelling of loose.





(I hated writing that)

 

[ManInTheArena]

I get incredibly sick & tired of illiterate people who can't tell the difference between "lose" and "loose".

Haha it's funny because it's Vader.

 

[johnnypanther]

Don't loose your shit guys.

I thought that its better for one to loose their shit before they lose it.