Crows plan Walker talks!

[Vader]

If it's any consolation, Melbourne are worried about losing Scully to GWS for exactly the same reasons:
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/melbourne-forced-to-sweat-on-the-future-of-no1-draft-pick-tom-scully-as-he-delays-contract-talks/story-e6frf33l-1225999368877

It's worth noting that GWS have 2 years in which to sign uncontracted players. So.. assuming Tex re-signs with us, who comes out of contract in 2012 that we need to worry about?

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

It's worth noting that GWS have 2 years in which to sign uncontracted players. So.. assuming Tex re-signs with us, who comes out of contract in 2012 that we need to worry about?

With all due respect to everyone else on the list. Dangerfield , Walker and Tippett are the only one we would miss long term if they left. Everyone else is easily replaceable.

If they leave for 2013 - Thompson will be 30 and only have 2 maybe 3 good years left, yes it will hurt but no critical to out long term future and Johncock and Rutten will be the same.

If Walker re-signs with the club, in essence everyone else is easily replaceable as both Tippett and Dangerfield come out of contract end of 2013 or 2014 i beleive.

 

[icrow32]

With all due respect to everyone else on the list. Dangerfield , Walker and Tippett are the only one we would miss long term if they left. Everyone else is easily replaceable.

If they leave for 2013 - Thompson will be 30 and only have 2 maybe 3 good years left, yes it will hurt but no critical to out long term future and Johncock and Rutten will be the same.

If Walker re-signs with the club, in essence everyone else is easily replaceable as both Tippett and Dangerfield come out of contract end of 2013 or 2014 i beleive.

I think Danger comes out of contract at the end of 2012. Some brainiac at the AFc decided to give him a 2 year deal at the end of last year. Surely a 3+year deal is the way to go with a player as talented as Danger.

Is it just me or do the AFC seem to not give out 3 + year contracts or is it the players only wanting short term contracts?

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

I think Danger comes out of contract at the end of 2012. Some brainiac at the AFc decided to give him a 2 year deal at the end of last year. Surely a 3+year deal is the way to go with a player as talented as Danger.

Is it just me or do the AFC seem to not give out 3 + year contracts or is it the players only wanting short term contracts?

I guess that was good forward planning on the AFC part. Let sign them and get over the first hurdle only to sign him for a time when we come up against a second one.The only thing would be, the players have shown no interest in moving to the new franchises, therefore GWS wasn't a concern.

 

[KingJames23]

With all due respect to everyone else on the list. Dangerfield , Walker and Tippett are the only one we would miss long term if they left. Everyone else is easily replaceable.

If they leave for 2013 - Thompson will be 30 and only have 2 maybe 3 good years left, yes it will hurt but no critical to out long term future and Johncock and Rutten will be the same.

If Walker re-signs with the club, in essence everyone else is easily replaceable as both Tippett and Dangerfield come out of contract end of 2013 or 2014 i beleive.

You say these 3 because you assume they will become elite players, when thats not necessarily the case. You need to assess who would be irreplaceable in 6 months time - since this is when they could potentially leave the team. Ablett is missed long term because he is elite. Swan would be missed if he went to GWS. That's the sort of talent you just cant replace easily. At the end of 2011, Walker might have 70 goals to his name. Danger might become a star. Then it would be a significant loss.

I think we'd miss guys like thompson or johncock a lot more. They are both crucial players in our side and both in their primes. Losing tippett would hurt, because 202cm players dont grow on trees. The other 2 guys would be a loss based on their current playing standard, but I dont think the biggest loss out of our team.

 

[Vader]

I think Danger comes out of contract at the end of 2012. Some brainiac at the AFc decided to give him a 2 year deal at the end of last year. Surely a 3+year deal is the way to go with a player as talented as Danger.

Is it just me or do the AFC seem to not give out 3 + year contracts or is it the players only wanting short term contracts?

Fairly sure they wanted to sign him for longer, but Danger's manager said no - for the same reason that Walker is putting things off to the end of this year.

 

[afc1991]

I think Danger comes out of contract at the end of 2012. Some brainiac at the AFc decided to give him a 2 year deal at the end of last year. Surely a 3+year deal is the way to go with a player as talented as Danger.

Is it just me or do the AFC seem to not give out 3 + year contracts or is it the players only wanting short term contracts?

Every manager and his dog would be advising their clients to not sign beyond the expansion years. Even if such players have every intention of staying.

 

[Paladin]

I think Danger comes out of contract at the end of 2012. Some brainiac at the AFc decided to give him a 2 year deal at the end of last year. Surely a 3+year deal is the way to go with a player as talented as Danger.

Is it just me or do the AFC seem to not give out 3 + year contracts or is it the players only wanting short term contracts?

No, the AFC wanted to sign Tip and Danger for longer, they said so at at time. The players/managers wanted shorter deals, gunning for more cash in the next deal no doubt.

 

[StickerMan]

Put it this way, you are a 20 year old KPP who has shown enormous potential but has not delivered on that potential in the past couple of seasons.

Your club is desperate to sign you up, as by signing you up now they can offer you a deal based on your current output.

You think to yourself, I know I can deliver more this season and if I have a breakout year, I will raise my stakes a little.

Also, with GWS coming in to the comp, this will also raise my contract a little more.

Yes, I am taking a risk that I don't get injured etc, but I am going to back myself in to perform and force the club to reward me with a better contract.

I know what I would do.

 

[Crow-mo]

Your club is desperate to sign you up, as by signing you up now they can offer you a deal based on your current output.

but that's not really true though.

 

[StickerMan]

To an extent it is, and there projected view of his improvement.

If Tex thinks he can improve this view, through his 2011 performance, then he will hold off to get a better deal.

It is a gamble, but if this is the case, one I am happy to wait for as it means he is backing himself in to perform well.

 

[Crow-mo]

To an extent it is, and there projected view of his improvement.

exactly and that's my point. it still comes down the calibre of player we think he could be.

potential will drive his next contract regardless of how well he does this year.

 

[WALL-e]

But you'd agree a good year will only increase his barganing power?

 

[StickerMan]

exactly and that's my point. it still comes down the calibre of player we think he could be.

potential will drive his next contract regardless of how well he does this year.

So, if the Club sees his potential as being a 50 goal a year forward, he is offered X amount over two years.

Let's say for example's sake, that in 2011, he comes out, dominates, and kicks 100 goals (as awesome as that would be, is a little unrealistic, I know but you get my point), you don't think the offer would change from February to September?

 

[Freddy Bassett]

So, if the Club sees his potential as being a 50 goal a year forward, he is offered X amount over two years.

Let's say for example's sake, that in 2011, he comes out, dominates, and kicks 100 goals (as awesome as that would be, is a little unrealistic, I know but you get my point), you don't think the offer would change from February to September?

He would double what was on offer if he had a Franklin 2007 year!

 

[RealSlimShady]

Walker had scholarship offers to Collingwood and Sydney, he turned them down and saught out Adelaide

he will not leave, he risked playing alltogether to get here, now that he is here, he will not leave.

I dont see how that is any reason for him to stay. He has been poorly managed by the club in regards to match time and being dumped every second week. These incidents would factor more into his decision making along with the $$$ than what happened before he came to the club. I for one wouldnt blame him leaving and would wish him well.

 

[RealSlimShady]

Losing tippett would hurt, because 202cm players dont grow on trees.

OUTSTANDING 202cm players dont grow on trees

 

[StickerMan]

He would double what was on offer if he had a Franklin 2007 year!

Exactly. I think what Tex is doing, is backing himself in to have a cracker of a year and then also use GWS to negotiate a better deal at the end of the year.

 

[Freddy Bassett]

Exactly. I think what Tex is doing, is backing himself in to have a cracker of a year and then also use GWS to negotiate a better deal at the end of the year.

And if he didnt he would be a turkey. This is his oppurtuntiy to set himself up for life.... He will stay IMO but he will use GWS to inflate his price. Pretty obvious stuff really....
It is easy for everyone to say just give him a 5 year $800000k a season contract. And do the same for Tippett, Danger and whoever else has a good year in 2011. It would be the quickest way to sink the club. We would be offering just over the odds at this stage. His management would obviously be wanting more, hoping he puts in some huge performances to justify an increased offer from Adelaide but also to stir up GWS.
As much as we love Walker he could still miss out on being the star we expect him to become. A big 5 year contract for a player who doesnt fulfill his potential cripples a club. Just think of the Holland brothers at Hawthorn and Richmond!

Put it like this, losing Walker to GWS would hurt less than signing him to a 5yr $800000k contact and he turns out ordinary!

 

[Elite Crow]

FB who is suggesting $800 and 5 years? A tad exaggerated.

 

[Crow-mo]

he'd need to do something way out of line with expectations to change things by much

 

[cmndstab]

he'd need to do something way out of line with expectations to change things by much

Out of interest CM, since you think his value will not be inflated by the end of the season, do you think the reason he hasn't been signed up already is because he is thinking seriously about leaving, or do you think it is simply incompetence/arrogance from the club by not offering him an appropriately large contract yet?

 

[StickerMan]

Out of interest CM, since you think his value will not be inflated by the end of the season, do you think the reason he hasn't been signed up already is because he is thinking seriously about leaving, or do you think it is simply incompetence/arrogance from the club by not offering him an appropriately large contract yet?

Putting all your Taylor-Walker-fanboi-Crowcoloured-glasses aside, based on his current output do you think he really deserves a 'large contract?'

I personally think he does, based on what I have seen and what he is capable of, but there have been a lot of teenagers show potential over the journey whereby they drop off and turn out to be average players.

I think Tex will be a ten-year player and has the potential for awesomeness, but even the most one-eyed fanboi would think he deserves $800K over five years.... (for example).

Just out of interest what do you think the Club would have offered so far, and what do you think he deserves (without taking into account salary caps etc)?

 

[Crow-mo]

Out of interest CM, since you think his value will not be inflated by the end of the season, do you think the reason he hasn't been signed up already is because he is thinking seriously about leaving, or do you think it is simply incompetence/arrogance from the club by not offering him an appropriately large contract yet?

I've already outlined what i think the 3 variables of the decision tree are.

if i were to guess interpolating all that we know, that we haven't put an acceptable offer in front of him. and that we are a team you probably have to screw hard to get your fair due.

none of this implies if he wants to stay or go, but I think we are putting our head in the lions mouth my flirting with GWS like this.

he might be planning to stay, but the closer you get to having options the closer you get to considering them.

I guess low ball, but its only a guess

 

[Freddy Bassett]

FB who is suggesting $800 and 5 years? A tad exaggerated.

No doubt. It just humours me that everytime this topic comes up with whichever player, some peoples attitude of throw the big cash at them, disregarding that we play under a salarycap. Like the Mcdermott attitude of we should of offered Pavlich, Hall, Fevola a massive contract they couldnt resist!