Crows press conference 3:30PM AEST

[Timmy from Thomastown]

My favorite bit was when Burton explained how they got good things out of Collective Minds.

He then uses doing the "present stance" in front of 3 Million people at the AFL grand final as his example.

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It just gets worse.

As if the stance wasnt laughable enough, we now find out it wasnt even the players idea but instead a product of a corporate consultant? Thats humiliating!!!!

 

[STFU Donnie]

You'd think they'd at least get their story straight before fronting a press conference no one expected or asked for.

As for the line: "there was... a talking stick", **** me. Amazing.

Is that anything like the talking flute from H.R. Pufnstuf?

 

[Jughead77]

Exclusive footage of the crows press conference..

 

[Malifice]

It beggars belief that a professional sporting club would entrust their players to a 'mind training' company that have no clinical psychiatrists or psychologists, no empirical data to support anything they do and are basically run via sheer quackery.

I mean its run by a dude who has no qualifications outside of an MBA and the fact he ran around Burning man, or did hallucinogens in the Amazon.

Like; the dude in your HR department has actual psychology qualifications (likely a tertiary degree). They're figuring out personality types and so forth. The Army have actual psychologists and actual psychiatrists, interviewing you, and doing psych profiles and so forth. Actual proffesionals who know what they are doing.

This 'company' are putting people on a bus in the outback, making them beat drums and brainwashing them. It barely qualifies as pseudo-science. In fact it doesnt even go that far.

Its akin to replacing your medical team with holistic faith healers waving crystals all over them, or instead of having actual certified and credible sports science people, you have some shonky idiot making them all drink tiger penis, bovine colostrum, vitamin B blends and thymoisin beta fou..

Oh wait.

 

[Bojangles17]

How did this decision warrant a presser , talk about grandstanding

 

[juss]

Burton says Collective minds says similar program is run in schools around Australia.

 

[PAFC_1870]

Burton says Collective minds says similar program is run in schools around Australia.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

"These guys are not psychologists, they're mental skills coaches."

Neither, he is a wannabe cult leader.

Burton still hasn't worked that out!

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

Has there been a bigger overall fall from grace from playing in a Grand Final in the previous year?

 

[Off The Couch]

My favorite bit was when Burton explained how they got good things out of Collective Minds.

He then uses doing the "present stance" in front of 3 Million people at the AFL grand final as his example.

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Nothing screams “team” like standing a metre apart

 

[Bad Horse]

It beggars belief that a professional sporting club would entrust their players to a 'mind training' company that have no clinical psychiatrists or psychologists, no empirical data to support anything they do and are basically run via sheer quackery.

I mean its run by a dude who has no qualifications outside of an MBA and the fact he ran around Burning man, or did hallucinogens in the Amazon.

Like; the dude in your HR department has actual psychology qualifications (likely a tertiary degree). They're figuring out personality types and so forth. The Army have actual psychologists and actual psychiatrists, interviewing you, and doing psych profiles and so forth. Actual proffesionals who know what they are doing.

This 'company' are putting people on a bus in the outback, making them beat drums and brainwashing them. It barely qualifies as pseudo-science. In fact it doesnt even go that far.

Its akin to replacing your medical team with holistic faith healers waving crystals all over them, or instead of having actual certified and credible sports science people, you have some shonky idiot making them all drink tiger penis, bovine colostrum, vitamin B blends and thymoisin beta fou..

Oh wait.

Exclusive footage of Adelaide's new medical team in action...

 

[Young Gun #6]

How the tables have turned.

Adelaide are absolute joke right now on and off the field.

 

[Off The Couch]

So both Dermie and Johnson can’t understand why Adelaide have said anything

Neroli then fainted with horror after Dermie mentioned what they did to Johnny platten on a camp and Johnno said all sorts of stuff happen on camp

Basically Adelaide have folded to public pressure

 

[twiggy4PM]

Has there been a bigger overall fall from grace from playing in a Grand Final in the previous year?

Port in 2008. 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2012 springs to mind.

 

[Gavin Excell]

"Mindfulness " is the biggest BS drummed up by two bit, 20 cent, fly by night shysters designed to fleece $$$ from the gullible.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Press conference to clear the air.and move on

Went well

 

[Andrew Mc]

So both Dermie and Johnson can’t understand why Adelaide have said anything

Neroli then fainted with horror after Dermie mentioned what they did to Johnny platten on a camp and Johnno said all sorts of stuff happen on camp

Basically Adelaide have folded to public pressure

Agree with Dermie and Johnson - it's not anything many clubs would have done, both this year, and in the past. No clue why it would be discussed in public, let alone as a press conference in round 14.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Burton seems like a real tosser.

Yep

Classic big fish small town

I like how he got affronted at questions

 

[Sir_Loin]

How can a club implode like this in the space of 9 months. Seriously you couldn’t do this if you tried. Unbelievable.

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

How can a club implode like this in the space of 9 months. Seriously you couldn’t do this if you tried. Unbelievable.

The cult of Riccuito + Chapman.

 

[Cobbler]

How can a club implode like this in the space of 9 months. Seriously you couldn’t do this if you tried. Unbelievable.

We tried hard a few weeks ago. The Lyon stuff, Brad Hill stuff, Yarran suicide... was a tough couple of weeks.

This Adelaide stuff however makes Lyon and the drama of our club seem like a parking ticket v a full on train wreck.

 

[Bam_Bam_Aus]

Was hoping Tex was going to stand down as Captain.

...because it affects you how?

 

[Bam_Bam_Aus]

The camp just seems like macho nonsense. Richmond is not perfect but when Hardwick recognized the need to change, he did things like being more open to the players, encouraging players to have coffee with a teammate they'd never talked to much before, open up about their private lives if they wanted to. It's how the players found out Brandon Ellis grew up in public housing flats, not because he was forced to in some bizarre military psychology training exercise, but because the club treated the players like adults and encouraged them to open up about themselves. It drew the players together more. People talk about millenials being soft but the camp shenanigans just seem dumb and I doubt any generation would get much out of them. I know that seems like softy feely crap but everyone wants to enjoy the club and their mates and I doubt collective minds was doing that.

This press conference raised more questions than it answered. One question which is yet to be answered is how an off-field setup which is capable of bringing a side to a grand final can misread its own players so badly. Who's the "guru" they started to listen to who promised them that they'd definitely win the premiership next year if they did all this army stuff? Or was this an insight that came from within the club itself? Please sack that person before they make another boneheaded move regarding player welfare.

Army stuff??? That bullshit does not go on in the Army mate.

And it's clear that Burton was the one pushing CM.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

I hope the Vic footy media keep hammering the Crows. Adelaide's footy department is run by absolute clowns and you can't rely on the SA footy media to actually bother pointing that out.

 

[HTPunter]

It beggars belief that a professional sporting club would entrust their players to a 'mind training' company that have no clinical psychiatrists or psychologists, no empirical data to support anything they do and are basically run via sheer quackery.

I mean its run by a dude who has no qualifications outside of an MBA and the fact he ran around Burning man, or did hallucinogens in the Amazon.

Like; the dude in your HR department has actual psychology qualifications (likely a tertiary degree). They're figuring out personality types and so forth. The Army have actual psychologists and actual psychiatrists, interviewing you, and doing psych profiles and so forth. Actual proffesionals who know what they are doing.

This 'company' are putting people on a bus in the outback, making them beat drums and brainwashing them. It barely qualifies as pseudo-science. In fact it doesnt even go that far.

Its akin to replacing your medical team with holistic faith healers waving crystals all over them, or instead of having actual certified and credible sports science people, you have some shonky idiot making them all drink tiger penis, bovine colostrum, vitamin B blends and thymoisin beta fou..

Oh wait.

And yet half of the average footy fans on here will cry out that it's just 'players are soft' and they need to go on these ridiculous camps to 'toughen up'.