Crows reserve side

[cammo84]

If anything, this would INCREASE interest in the SANFL.

Yes, increase interest in the two AFL-reserves teams. It will also decrease interest in the other sides, who will then struggle to stay afloat with their reduced supporter base.

What is the problem with the current system? Is it because our listed SANFL players arent being played in the roles their AFL clubs would like them to be played?

 

[brucetiki]

I am dead against a Crows reserves side in the SANFL. It would dilute the SANFL competition, and the competition would be a much lower standard as a result.

Reserves sides were tried and failed miserably in the WAFL, and feeder sides in the VFL have all but destroyed that competition. The SANFL needs to learn from these two situations and give a resounding NO to any Crows (or Port for that matter) reserves side.

 

[macca23]

Triggy hasn't said he actually wants a reserve side in the SANFL on an unqualified basis.

His comment was that IF Port are allowed to have a reserves team in the SANFL ie all of Port Adelaide's AFL players when not chosen for the AFL play for the Port Magpies, then, and only then, does he want the Crows to have exactly the same rights as Port Adelaide would via a Crows reserves side.

I can't see Port Adelaide ever being given the right to have what would be a genuine reserves side in the SANFL, in which case Triggy has no desire for us to have a Crows reserve side.

Triggy is totally right to take the attitude he has taken IMO, and by doing so he has ensured that whatever slim chance a Port reserves side ever had of coming to fruition has totally been eliminated.

 

[raboyle]

As a fanatical SANFL supporter, any entry by the AFC into the state league won't be supported by me, or by many other SANFL fans. In fact, dare I say that not even the Crows fans will care? I don't think a lot of Crows fans give a damn about the SANFL or would be caught dead at one of its suburban grounds.

The SANFL may have been forgotten by many, but not dead by a longshot. 36000 people at a Grand Final can't be wrong.

 

[CarnCrows]

Merits aside to me this just sounds like a tactical move to torpedo the Port merger.

FWIW I'm against it and I don't accept the SANFL already died line as valid. Yes it did alter in 91 but it maintained its fundamental character as a relevantly even league. Either or both of the AFL sides having "reserves" would kill this.

My first thoughts was that this was a subtle way of putting pressure on the whole Power-Magpies merge. Not that we have a vote, but this may increase the sceptism of the other clubs.

 

[RoosterLad]

If anything, this would INCREASE interest in the SANFL.

No it wouldn't.

People would only care about it to see their little crow players running around.

I can't believe this is being discussed again and the OP is a disgrace.

It would completely ruin the comp and I could no longer support the Crows if it did happen.

 

[Chief Crow]

No it wouldn't.

People would only care about it to see their little crow players running around.

I can't believe this is being discussed again and the OP is a disgrace.

It would completely ruin the comp and I could no longer support the Crows if it did happen.

You my friend are a tool. Just because I like the idea of it doesn't make me a disgrace. Thats my opinion so grow up.
I only brought it up because Triggy mentioned it.

 

[Firewalker]

Triggy hasn't said he actually wants a reserve side in the SANFL on an unqualified basis.

His comment was that IF Port are allowed to have a reserves team in the SANFL ie all of Port Adelaide's AFL players when not chosen for the AFL play for the Port Magpies, then, and only then, does he want the Crows to have exactly the same rights as Port Adelaide would via a Crows reserves side.

Not to upset any of the South Adelaide Supporters but how about the 'South Adelaide Crows' similar design to the VFL as a feeder club with all the crows reserve players in that team with the rest of it being made up of the best South Adelaide players (if you can find any it's like looking for a needle in a hay stack)

 

[Crow-mo]

If anything, this would INCREASE interest in the SANFL.

agreed. plus there is no way a team of 17/18 year olds would dominate against mature, seasoned opposition - so there wouldn't be any skewed competitive element either.

I'd always be interested to see which players (being played in their proper positions) were showing the goods.

 

[Vader]

Not to upset any of the South Adelaide Supporters but how about the 'South Adelaide Crows' similar design to the VFL as a feeder club with all the crows reserve players in that team with the rest of it being made up of the best South Adelaide players (if you can find any it's like looking for a needle in a hay stack)

Tried & failed in the WAFL. Well on the way to destroying the VFL completely. No thanks - bad concept.

 

[Mego Red]

No it wouldn't.

People would only care about it to see their little crow players running around.

I can't believe this is being discussed again and the OP is a disgrace.

It would completely ruin the comp and I could no longer support the Crows if it did happen.

Ridiculous overstatement.

Maybe 30% of football supporters in SA have an interest in the SANFL. The rest follow the AFL exclusively.

A Crows reserve team would attract the interest of those supporters back to the SANFL.

If you really like your SANFL team, you'll keep supporting them, and maybe just have a pang of guilt when they play the Crows reserves. The reserves team will actually bring 15,000 more supporters to the SANFL.

And maybe we can get some value for the money we've been pouring into the SANFL over the years ...

 

[Punchy Bassett]

The fact is Port won't be allowed to merge with the Maggies if it involves the pies becoming Ports reserves side. The SANFL teams wont agree to it. So therefore by extention, the Crows wont have a reserves side either. Its not going to happen.



The set up we have atm is the perfect set up imo.

Pretty much agree with this, Triggy only mentioned this to keep Port in check, cause lets face it no one trusts them at all, they have previous form in deceiving the SA footy public.

 

[Alex99]

The fact is Port won't be allowed to merge with the Maggies if it involves the pies becoming Ports reserves side. The SANFL teams wont agree to it. So therefore by extention, the Crows wont have a reserves side either. Its not going to happen.



The set up we have atm is the perfect set up imo.

It’s far from perfect. It’s perfect for the SANFL clubs who want both there cake and being able to eat it but it’s far from being a perfect model for the Adelaide Football Club.

Steven Trigg said in the Crows may seek reserves side article “This football club worked really hard in trying to get a reserves side [in 1991]… but through the late-90s we probably backed away from that because we learned to live with the system,” learning to live with something isn’t a perfect situation, it’s simply means; they got sick of banging their heads against the wall.

I agree with you that it will never happen but it’s not perfect. It’s perfect for people who don’t care about the Adelaide Football Club or just see them as an income stream but it’s NOT PERFECT.

 

[Mego Red]

It’s far from perfect. It’s perfect for the SANFL clubs who want both there cake and being able to eat it but it’s far from being a perfect model for the Adelaide Football Club.

Steven Trigg said in the Crows may seek reserves side article “This football club worked really hard in trying to get a reserves side [in 1991]… but through the late-90s we probably backed away from that because we learned to live with the system,” learning to live with something isn’t a perfect situation, it’s simply means; they got sick of banging their heads against the wall.

I agree with you that it will never happen but it’s not perfect. It’s perfect for people who don’t care about the Adelaide Football Club or just see them as an income stream but it’s NOT PERFECT.

I want to say that I completely agree with this.

 

[Papa G]

You guys are kidding yourselves if you don't think the AFC would jump at the chance to have their own reserves team as opposed to farming players out to 9 different clubs.

 

[screech]

I think the bigger issue here is not reserves sides (as I see that unlikely, at least in the near future), but the fact that Port Power will now control 2 senior sides + an U/18 side + U/16 and under development sides. What is there to stop them promoting themselves as the same club to all the best kids in the state (and the country for that matter) and setting up a development club for the AFL team (hiding players from the draft etc).
Even without it being a reserves as such, the ability to have 120+ of potentially the best talent available to develop under their structure is a massive advantage compared to what the Crows have.

 

[sigur]

Just a point on the SANFL being 'dead'.It gets almost no media coverage, but the SANFL attendance last year was 330K - that's about 50% more than the WAFL, and (not that it's a fair comparison) about 60K more than the Power's home games. It aint dead.

Back on topic - I can't see a valid argument for a separate reserves squad. Some argue that the players should be played in their 'crows' position instead of where ever the SANFL coach seems them as most useful. If you've got more than 4 fit ruckmen then you're going to have to play the excess guys out of position anyway. An 18 year old ruck is going to get crunched against SANFL league rucks, would develop far better in the SANFL reserves.

 

[TheMelbourneCrow]

Non SANFL supporters view.

Yes a reserves side would be good for the crows.
BAD for the SANFL.

If only the SANFL had 10 teams, you could have 5 teams aligned to the crows and 5 to port. That way our players have a little more bonding with each other.
Based on the current 9 teams tho, to make things fairer to the SANFL clubs, align 5 to the crows and 4 with port. I say 5 with the crows because we all know our tallent is a s**t load better.

Speaking of which I want to see a hypothetical Crows Vs Ports Reserves match. Assuming a list is 44 players, the top 15 players (as per games) are not eligable to play in the match.

 

[Alex99]

I think the bigger issue here is not reserves sides (as I see that unlikely, at least in the near future), but the fact that Port Power will now control 2 senior sides + an U/18 side + U/16 and under development sides. What is there to stop them promoting themselves as the same club to all the best kids in the state (and the country for that matter) and setting up a development club for the AFL team (hiding players from the draft etc).
Even without it being a reserves as such, the ability to have 120+ of potentially the best talent available to develop under their structure is a massive advantage compared to what the Crows have.

Because those kids will still have to be drafted and it’s a clubs responsibility to know who is and who isn’t the most talented kids.

Sometime, somewhere that talented kid, who is being hidden, will have to play football. If he doesn’t play football between the age of 15 and 17 – his skills won’t develop. If football clubs don’t do their due diligence by investigating these kids, they don’t deserve them.

Saying, what’s stopping Port Adelaide from doing it now by hiding Jimmy X in some country team on the York Peninsular?

 

[Alex99]

You guys are kidding yourselves if you don't think the AFC would jump at the chance to have their own reserves team as opposed to farming players out to 9 different clubs.

Correct weight, all clear.

 

[cmndstab]

Triggy hasn't said he actually wants a reserve side in the SANFL on an unqualified basis.

His comment was that IF Port are allowed to have a reserves team in the SANFL ie all of Port Adelaide's AFL players when not chosen for the AFL play for the Port Magpies, then, and only then, does he want the Crows to have exactly the same rights as Port Adelaide would via a Crows reserves side.

I can't see Port Adelaide ever being given the right to have what would be a genuine reserves side in the SANFL, in which case Triggy has no desire for us to have a Crows reserve side.

Triggy is totally right to take the attitude he has taken IMO, and by doing so he has ensured that whatever slim chance a Port reserves side ever had of coming to fruition has totally been eliminated.

This is a good post, and you may very well be on the money. I'm still divided on whether or not I'd like a Crows reserve side in the SANFL, but one thing I can definitely say is that I don't want Port to get one and us not to. Trigg would have the same point of view, I imagine.

 

[Punchy Bassett]

This is a good post, and you may very well be on the money. I'm still divided on whether or not I'd like a Crows reserve side in the SANFL, but one thing I can definitely say is that I don't want Port to get one and us not to. Trigg would have the same point of view, I imagine.

This is exactlty the point, Triggy's not saying we want one no questions asked, all he is making sure is someone down the road doesn't get something we don't. Especially seeing we have propped them and SA footy up for the last few years now.

 

[Huntercrow]

Macca23 Spot on!!

Trigg is playing his cards shrewdly to make sure the PAFC do not gain too much sympathy from the SANFL Clubs (who now understand that one of their "cash cows" are in trouble).
I think he is just reminding the SANFL that there are 2 AFL clubs in SA and what happens here could set a precedent.

 

[jo172]

You guys are kidding yourselves if you don't think the AFC would jump at the chance to have their own reserves team as opposed to farming players out to 9 different clubs.

Whose suggested differently?

Some people here just care about the health of football in this state on a broader scale then just the fortunes of their AFL club.

You've consistantly failed to understand this that Crows supporters would rather football live than the Crows, whereas it seems people like you would be happy for the sport of football to no longer exist so long as the Port Adelaide Power continued as an entity.

 

[Firewalker]

Tried & failed in the WAFL. Well on the way to destroying the VFL completely. No thanks - bad concept.

The art of sarcasm is a bit lost on you Vader , it was really just a cheap shot at South Adelaide (have a few contacts whom have worked & played there and one who is still playing there & their joint is run pretty badly, if they weren't so far away from Port or Sturt they would've merged with one of them ages ago)