Crows reserve side

[aneale]

Where do you get this drivel? The Magpies are on their knees, they have stated without the Power merger they'll either be dead now or in 2 years time. If these so called "Port" supporters can't see that the PAFC's involvement is crucial they are not only as dumb as dog shit, they are welcome to go watch Port Districts and start calling them the "real" Port.

Well the reality is that should happen. The Power can't afford to keep the SANFL Club running in its entirety, they could barely afford it before the AFL incarnate they have never been financial. A pub in desperate need of a makeover (and lets ask Collingwood about the risks of such ventures) and some pokies are not going to last long in given the debt already in place.

Saving Port from financial ruin and then cutting them loose or making them pseudo Power will not ingratiate them to many. Maybe they will go watch Port Districts, but that is kind of the point isn't it. Any AFL 'reserves' team in the SANFL will have an impact on all clubs and its fans and not as you foolishly inferred that only those of the other 8 teams who only care about whipping the prison bars by 10 goals regardless of the player inside it.

 

[Papa G]

Well the reality is that should happen. The Power can't afford to keep the SANFL Club running in its entirety, they could barely afford it before the AFL incarnate they have never been financial. A pub in desperate need of a makeover (and lets ask Collingwood about the risks of such ventures) and some pokies are not going to last long in given the debt already in place.

Saving Port from financial ruin and then cutting them loose or making them pseudo Power will not ingratiate them to many. Maybe they will go watch Port Districts, but that is kind of the point isn't it. Any AFL 'reserves' team in the SANFL will have an impact on all clubs and its fans and not as you foolishly inferred that only those of the other 8 teams who only care about whipping the prison bars by 10 goals regardless of the player inside it.

To be honest, I can't see the point of this merger, especially if we are not going to get the benefits of actually having a reserves team. The Prince of Wales is a bit of a dero pub in a not particularly great spot. I really can't see it being a cash cow no matter how they tart it up. I have been a PAFC supporter since the late 1970's and to me the best outcome, in light of their being no onfield benefits, is for the Magpies to be put to bed.

 

[Punchy Bassett]

To be honest, I can't see the point of this merger, especially if we are not going to get the benefits of actually having a reserves team. The Prince of Wales is a bit of a dero pub in a not particularly great spot. I really can't see it being a cash cow no matter how they tart it up. I have been a PAFC supporter since the late 1970's and to me the best outcome, in light of their being no onfield benefits, is for the Magpies to be put to bed.

Ah but isn't one of the aims to get a pokie place for the Power pokie machines to go thus removing them from the Port club to make it more family friendly. Sure I heard Haysman say that somewhere.

 

[aneale]

To be honest, I can't see the point of this merger, especially if we are not going to get the benefits of actually having a reserves team. The Prince of Wales is a bit of a dero pub in a not particularly great spot. I really can't see it being a cash cow no matter how they tart it up. I have been a PAFC supporter since the late 1970's and to me the best outcome, in light of their being no onfield benefits, is for the Magpies to be put to bed.

couldnt agree more. it's also the only way to ultimately end the the 'history/identity' debate, if not in the near future but for the future generations who would never know of the 'other' Port.

 

[aneale]

Ah but isn't one of the aims to get a pokie place for the Power pokie machines to go thus removing them from the Port club to make it more family friendly. Sure I heard Haysman say that somewhere.

that probably depends on how many the PoW already has, if any, and how many are at the Port Club. The most a venue like that can have is 40, if the PoW has that or near it they mightn't be able to take them. Port may need to look elsewhere or sell them off, which would be better.

 

[Alex99]

To be honest, I can't see the point of this merger, especially if we are not going to get the benefits of actually having a reserves team. The Prince of Wales is a bit of a dero pub in a not particularly great spot. I really can't see it being a cash cow no matter how they tart it up. I have been a PAFC supporter since the late 1970's and to me the best outcome, in light of their being no onfield benefits, is for the Magpies to be put to bed.

Without the reserves side, does the Port Adelaide Power board want this merger to go ahead?

Just a conspiracy theory, has the idea of the Crows reserves side been brought up to spook the other SANFL club into voting ‘no’?

This would then give the Port Adelaide Power board an out without looking like the bad guy – if they came out and said, hell no, this merger doesn’t do us any favours so may Port Adelaide Magpies supporters will go nuts and won’t be happy. However if the Port Adelaide Magpies just died and everyone knew everyone tried their best to save the club – the diehard Magpies supporters who don’t support the Power may cross over.

And let’s be real, why would the Crows board care if they were hated by the Port Adelaide supporters and took the so called bullet. Also form my understanding Mark Haysman and Steven Trigg are pretty tight.

 

[Papa G]

Without the reserves side, does the Port Adelaide Power board want this merger to go ahead?

Just a conspiracy theory, has the idea of the Crows reserves side been brought up to spook the other SANFL club into voting ‘no’?

This would then give the Port Adelaide Power board an out without looking like the bad guy – if they came out and said, hell no, this merger doesn’t do us any favours so may Port Adelaide Magpies supporters will go nuts and won’t be happy. However if the Port Adelaide Magpies just died and everyone knew everyone tried their best to save the club – the diehard Magpies supporters who don’t support the Power may cross over.

And let’s be real, why would the Crows board care if they were hated by the Port Adelaide supporters and took the so called bullet. Also form my understanding Mark Haysman and Steven Trigg are pretty tight.

It seems the re worked proposal doesn't have the Magpies as the reserves team, so you'd think that theory is incorrect. Although I did hear from a very good source about a year ago that Haysman's 2 main aims were to get rid of Choco and also to get rid of the Magpies. He has been unsuccessful so far in one of those pursuits, will he ultimately be successful in the other?

 

[shinsoffury]

Not sure if it has been discussed but I actually think there is an inherent benefit in having your players spread out through the SANFL. Sure there's the problem of clubs playing them out of desired position but these guys are coming up against quality footballers, hardened experienced footballers, and they are learning great qualities in their SANFL teams. Sure the average SANFL players may not have the same skill or athleticism as the AFL players but are you telling me that an 18 y.o. stringbean kid isn't learning about toughness, courage, respect, commitment, winning mentallity (in a good team) or guts/hardwork (in a struggling team)? Surely they are exposed to much more by the time they play AFL first team footy than if they had played in a reserves type setup? Thats my opinion anyway... don't fix what aint broke. Go the crows and go the bays.

 

[Alex99]

It seems the re worked proposal doesn't have the Magpies as the reserves team, so you'd think that theory is incorrect. Although I did hear from a very good source about a year ago that Haysman's 2 main aims were to get rid of Choco and also to get rid of the Magpies. He has been unsuccessful so far in one of those pursuits, will he ultimately be successful in the other?

That was my point. Originally, when this idea was first floated the idea was viable because it had a reserves side linked to it. Now without the reserves side, the idea doesn’t have as much if any appeal. If the Port Adelaide board came out and said “we don’t want to do this anymore” they will end up looking bad, however if the Crows took the bullet and killed any chance at the deal getting approved - the AFC look bad, the Power look good, well to your supporters anyway.

 

[Papa G]

That was my point. Originally, when this idea was first floated the idea was viable because it had a reserves side linked to it. Now without the reserves side, the idea doesn’t have as much if any appeal. If the Port Adelaide board came out and said “we don’t want to do this anymore” they will end up looking bad, however if the Crows took the bullet and killed any chance at the deal getting approved - the AFC look bad, the Power look good, well to your supporters anyway.

In Crowboy Capel's article in the Tiser today Haysman indicates that it's now or never. Vote Yes on Tuesday or the plan is buried. Is this a tactical ultimatum from Haysman to ensure the other clubs vote no?

 

[Alex99]

In Crowboy Capel's article in the Tiser today Haysman indicates that it's now or never. Vote Yes on Tuesday or the plan is buried. Is this a tactical ultimatum from Haysman to ensure the other clubs vote no?

I did say it was simply a conspiracy theory.

However, once you vote ‘Yes’ to anything, you cannot go back and have a do over – it’s done, the vote is final. However if someone is not 100% sure about something they are voting for, they will try and stall for more time by postponing the vote by casting a ‘NO’ to allow for more time (and yes I have read that article)

Once the merger is ratified with a Yes vote, there is no going back. If the SANFL clubs are not 100% convinced that they have all the facts, I suspect they will vote NO.

By giving the SANFL clubs that ultimatum (now or never) and somewhere in the back of Haysman mine he knows they may have some doubt – could he be hoping for a NO vote.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Steven Trigg said in the Crows may seek reserves side article “This football club worked really hard in trying to get a reserves side [in 1991]… but through the late-90s we probably backed away from that because we learned to live with the system,” learning to live with something isn’t a perfect situation, it’s simply means; they got sick of banging their heads against the wall.

No, what happened is that we won two flags. All of a sudden getting a reserves team didn't seem so important as we'd proved to ourselves that it wasn't a fundamental requirement for us to be successful in the AFL. So we lost interest.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

A Crows reserves team would barely attract a single supporter. Everyone either supports a different SANFL club or, if they don't, then they are only interested in AFL so won't go to SANFL games anyway.

Basically the "crowd" you'd get would be the same one that turns up to Crows trainings.

The best thing about the current system is that the AFC can pick its teams on a Thursday night and then all the blokes left out of the 22 are in the hands of others. We don't have to coach them, look after them, provide medical support, run water, find extra kids to make up the 22... nothing. All we have to do is worry about our AFL game. And the players still get to play every week in the best state league in the nation. What a perfect set up.

Sure it would be nice to play them exactly where we want but this is a minor quibble and not worth the upheavel and extra hassle a reserves team would cause. We can't look at the crop of young players we've got coming through now and say that the SANFL system has failed them.

Let the Power be anchored with an SANFL team if they want to.

 

[Papa G]

No, what happened is that we won two flags. All of a sudden getting a reserves team didn't seem so important as we'd proved to ourselves that it wasn't a fundamental requirement for us to be successful in the AFL. So we lost interest.

But 12 unfruitful seasons later......

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

But 12 unfruitful seasons later......

Let's give it a 13th, just to make sure.

 

[amer]

No it wouldn't.

People would only care about it to see their little crow players running around.

I can't believe this is being discussed again and the OP is a disgrace.

It would completely ruin the comp and I could no longer support the Crows if it did happen.

If that's the case you should give up your season ticket and get out now, this sort of "support" isn't wanted and there are plenty of genuine fans on the waiting list that would make better use of that ticket.

 

[RoosterLad]

If that's the case you should give up your season ticket and get out now, this sort of "support" isn't wanted and there are plenty of genuine fans on the waiting list that would make better use of that ticket.

Wow thanks for that princess.

I could also argue that those who want the SANFL to pretty much die aren't real supporters either so maybe we can swap tickets or somethin ya?

 

[Alex99]

Wow thanks for that princess.

I could also argue that those who want the SANFL to pretty much die aren't real supporters either so maybe we can swap tickets or somethin ya?

So because someone wants the best for the Adelaide Football Club (and don’t forget this is the Adelaide Crows Big Footy page, not the SANFL page), automatically means they want the SANFL to die?

Your number one (let be real, it is) priority in football terms is the North Adelaide Football Club – it’s not the other way round regarding the Adelaide Crows. Without putting words in Amer mouth, hers is the Adelaide Crows.

 

[weneverland]

In Crowboy Capel's article in the Tiser today Haysman indicates that it's now or never. Vote Yes on Tuesday or the plan is buried. Is this a tactical ultimatum from Haysman to ensure the other clubs vote no?

The Power are not a charitable organisation. I believe the Power are backing this merger proposal for completely self centred reasons. Firstly they want to get rid of the ambiguity of having two Port clubs and secondly they want the pub. If the proposal is rejected the Magpies may very well have to sell the pub to get some operating cash. Without the pub the Power are not interested in the Magpies. Haysman's announcement was not entirely tactical he was serious.

 

[Alex99]

The only thing I am really envious of the Port Adelaide supporters who go for the Power is the fact that a larger percentage of their support base are pulling in the one direction; ours on the other hand have so many different motives for who they support.

I get the impression so many supporters simply see the Adelaide Crows as just an AFL side that plays every week and not really a club. They see their SANFL side as a club because in this situation the best thing for the Adelaide Crows to have is a reserves side and control the destiny of their own players. But as we all know, it won’t happen.

A crow’s reserves side won’t kill the SANFL; it may make it a little bit weaker but kill it – never. The foundation of the competition is too strong and survived players leaving in the 1980s for the richer VFL and then when the Crows and Power entered the AFL in the 90’s but having 2 AFL club as reserves sides playing it, will not kill it.

 

[Papa G]

The Power are not a charitable organisation. I believe the Power are backing this merger proposal for completely self centred reasons. Firstly they want to get rid of the ambiguity of having two Port clubs and secondly they want the pub. If the proposal is rejected the Magpies may very well have to sell the pub to get some operating cash. Without the pub the Power are not interested in the Magpies. Haysman's announcement was not entirely tactical he was serious.

Absolutely. But as Crows98 has pointed, if the deal doesn't go through, the Power can say to disenfranchised Magpie supporters, hey we tried our best, but the rest of the SANFL said no. Its their fault, not ours. The Magpies dying in my opinion and I'm pretty sure Haysman's as well is as good if not better option for the Power, especially since there will be no onfield advantages.

 

[RoosterLad]

So because someone wants the best for the Adelaide Football Club (and don’t forget this is the Adelaide Crows Big Footy page, not the SANFL page), automatically means they want the SANFL to die?

Your number one (let be real, it is) priority in football terms is the North Adelaide Football Club – it’s not the other way round regarding the Adelaide Crows. Without putting words in Amer mouth, hers is the Adelaide Crows.

But is is ok for this amer dude or chick to tell me that I am not a true supporter and should hand my season ticket to someone who "deserves it more"?

Lets face it... North vs Sturt is a match I eagerly anticipate.. North vs Adelaide Crows Reserves.. well that is a load of shit really. That would also see blokes like Matty Wright play against North Adelaide which would be a joke.

 

[birdmanptr]

But 12 unfruitful seasons later......

Spot on the problem is no one has the guts to push it

Sooner some one just says to a SANFL club you are now the Crows reserve side the better stop pussy footing around and make the big call

Port go with Port and we go with who ever does not matter any one at that club not happy See you later both on and off field wont be hard filling the gaps

 

[Alex99]

But is is ok for this amer dude or chick to tell me that I am not a true supporter and should hand my season ticket to someone who "deserves it more"?

You did say something like “I could no longer support the Crows if it did happen”, I think she was simply pointing out your priorities.

Lets face it... North vs Sturt is a match I eagerly anticipate.. North vs Adelaide Crows Reserves.. well that is a load of shit really. That would also see blokes like Matty Wright play against North Adelaide which would be a joke.

North Adelaide VS Sturt – absolutely, I agree with you 100% and if anyone didn’t understand that, they are a dead set moron because that’s what South Australian football has been built on. Port Adelaide Vs Norwood, Glenelg Vs North Adelaide ect, ect – these games have history and tradition and I agree with you that North Adelaide Vs an Adelaide Crows reserves side in 2010 would mean **** all.

However history and tradition has to start somewhere.

The system in South Australia doesn’t support the most important commodity the clubs have, the players. The players are the most important asset this game has, without the players – history and tradition don’t exist. So they need to start treating the player with a bit of respect.

The remaining player are treaded appallingly, there is no system like this anywhere in the world. Left over players shipped off to various sides. It's bullshit. ML Baseball has a farm system but at least they all play for the same club. EPL Soccer, players get loaned out but only for a small amount of time before they are given back to their original club or sold. NBA Basketball, players are sent to a development league but they all play for the same club. AFL player in South Australia are treaded appallingly.

But the point you’re missing is Mathew Wright is not a North Adelaide player any more, he is an Adelaide Crows player. He is paid by the Crows, his insurance and superannuation and everything else he requires is taken care of by the Adelaide Football Club. If he was drafted by anyone else (bar Port of course), he wouldn’t play for North Adelaide, the system is wrong.

 

[brucetiki]

Sooner some one just says to a SANFL club you are now the Crows reserve side the better stop pussy footing around and make the big call

Port go with Port and we go with who ever does not matter any one at that club not happy See you later both on and off field wont be hard filling the gaps

That'll go down well with the SANFL clubs