Crows supporters ..now abandoning THAT conglomerate ,for another AFL club

[Port Adelaide 1870]

I wonder how long it will be before the Crows fans begin abandoning the conglomerate state side AFL club the CROWS.... As Port start winning this year we will begin to get enquiries from people only ever seen at non Port SANFL grounds prior to the Crows joining the AFL and current Crows watchers.

Hey , the excuses will run from.." Oh , I only ever wanted to watch the AFL " to

" I never really barracked for Glenelg, thats why we became season ticket holders of the Crows and My Dad never really barracked for Glenelg and neither did his nor my uncle or mum "


" We never were Norwood Supporters and ,Darn ,the Crows are playing at times we ..Just cant get to...but Port, well we've ALWAYS begrudgingly liked them...and GUESS WHAT ! their playing times coincide with our ability to get to the AFL footy, Oh well looks like we'll Just have to abandon the Crows and take up Port memberships "

Here they come !!!!!!!!!!

PA1870

 

[Dan26]

God you're a w***er. You really have no idea. Just let people support their teams, will you.

 

[Crow54]

Sorry mate, no matter how bad the Crows go, I will never, ever, EVER barrack for Port Power. Not in a million years. Not if they were the only team in the competition. lol. I think I'd almost rather barrack for Collingwood.

 

[blackdiamond]

Crow54!

Thats the attitude, we don't want you anyway!

------------------
Port Adelaide Forever

 

[sabre_ac]

Originally posted by Port Adelaide 1870:
I wonder how long it will be before the Crows fans begin abandoning the conglomerate state side AFL club the CROWS.... As Port start winning this year we will begin to get enquiries from people only ever seen at non Port SANFL grounds prior to the Crows joining the AFL and current Crows watchers.

Hey , the excuses will run from.." Oh , I only ever wanted to watch the AFL " to

" I never really barracked for Glenelg, thats why we became season ticket holders of the Crows and My Dad never really barracked for Glenelg and neither did his nor my uncle or mum "


" We never were Norwood Supporters and ,Darn ,the Crows are playing at times we ..Just cant get to...but Port, well we've ALWAYS begrudgingly liked them...and GUESS WHAT ! their playing times coincide with our ability to get to the AFL footy, Oh well looks like we'll Just have to abandon the Crows and take up Port memberships "

Here they come !!!!!!!!!!

PA1870

Sounds like a few eagles supporters i know.

 

[Port Adelaide 1870]

Originally posted by Dan24:
God you're a w***er. You really have no idea. Just let people support their teams, will you.

Young Dan, the font of all wisdom, Telling me I have no idea..Oh Really !
We should call you bren gun or Gattling or Thompson because all you do is repeat all day.

You are a BOY..You know FU*K all . you know Melbourne suburban footy.
What I write is what has happened in Adelaide..You are a presuptious fool , you know nothing about Football in Adelaide and the way it was ABANDONED in south australia, because Port Adelaide simply dominated every aspect of it in Adelaide, the supporters of all the other Adelaide clubs abandoned them to follow...WHATEVER was put before them....They are the same people requesting Port be delisted from the AFL so another generic club can be formed in Adelaide for them to follow in the weeks that the Crows dont play in Adelaide.. You Di*khead they will follow ANY ( bar Port ) team that is put before them..at the moment it happens to be the Crows..If the SANFL tomorrow closed down the Crows and brought in a brand new club called the Adelaide AArdvarks and said......Here boy ..Here boy...here is the NEW Adelaide based AFL team..all those pathetic lemmings would say..." OOOaaawwh O.K. we'll follow the AArdvarks now "

So if there are two generic clubs in Adelaide, they will be supported by the lemmings each week..it is not a club thing Dan..it is an Anti Victorian AND anti Port thing..

You see it is not a club playing Essendon in the Lemmings eyes it is S.A. playing a club side..

In Ports case and all our supporters..it is club versus club. Except against the Crows where it is Port Adelaide versus the rest of South Australia...

Son...you are the one with no idea

PA1870

 

[Port Adelaide 1870]

Originally posted by Crow54:
Sorry mate, no matter how bad the Crows go, I will never, ever, EVER barrack for Port Power.

Neither will I or anybody that barracks for Port..There isnt any such team called "Port Power"

PA1870

 

[Crows.ok]

PA 1870 (actually 1997 in this comp, but whatever),

Nope. No way will this supporter ever go for Port.

Good win on Saturday, BTW, well done. You are still a hell of a long way from any meaningful success in the AFL, though. No way is anyone non-Port ever going to follow your club though, particularly over just one preseason game in February! You must be smoking something a bit too strong for you there, PA 1870.

 

[Dan26]

No, it's YOU that have no idea.

Adelaide joined the national comp in 1991. OBVIOUSLY nearly all South Australians started to support them. Obviously. They were a one team town representing the great city of Adelaide. They drew support from ALL SANFL clubs including Port Adelaide

There have been Port Magpies supporters on this very web-site who barracked for the Crows, when they came in. In fact, I've got a footy book here at home called "THE CLUBS". It covers the history of all VFL/AFL clubs sinmce 1897. Adelaides prolougue is written by a Port Magpies supporter who goes for the Crows. Why wouldn't he go for the Crows? When they joined in 1991, he barracked for Port in the SANFL and the Crows in the AFL. Fair enough too. Two separate comps, he can barrack for whoever he wants.

Your comments are childish. Adelaide Crows fans, in my opinion, are among the most loyal you will find. They have MASSIVE membership, they always sell out footy park, and their supporters are prepared to travel. The colour and passion of Crows supporters made the 1997 and 1998 Grand Final magnificent spectacles. Crows fans are among the most passionate in the AFL. The noise they make, even at away games, often puts other fans to shame.

They have been around for 10 years now and are forging their own history. To call them a conglomerate is not true. They are a new club in their own right. They do not "represent" the SANFL clubs. Where does it say that they do? Does it say in the AFC constitution that they represent the SANFL clubs? They represent THEMSELVES. Any SANFL supporters can support the Crows if they choose.....it's up to them. Sure, they had a big advantage drawing on ALL of S.A with their support but so what? Good luck to them.

You are obviously deeply hurt by the Crows two flags in 1997-98. When Port joined in 1997, there were bets that they would win a flag before the Crows. then, before you knew it, the Crows had won one.......and then they won another!! All of a sudden Port was shattered. Adelaide won a final in their 3rd season. It is Ports 5th season, and so far you have proven to be nothing but a poor imitation of the Adelaide Crows. You havn't even come close to any success.

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[Crow54]

Originally posted by Port Adelaide 1870:
Young Dan, the font of all wisdom, Telling me I have no idea..Oh Really !
We should call you bren gun or Gattling or Thompson because all you do is repeat all day... blah blah blah....

PA1870

PA1870 - this message is way below your usual standard, in fact, it doesn't sound like you at all. Has someone stolen your password and taken over your computer??? I used to enjoy your posts, even though you're from the "other side of the tracks" but this is a very sad post.

BTW, I know you guys don't like being called Port Power, which is the only reason I keep saying it, lol. How childish of me, but good fun.

 

[Bloodstained Angel]

Dan24

With respect - there are some aspects of South Australian football you would never read in a history book or find in a statistical table.

Again, respectively, you know absolutely JACK SHIT about SA footy, so, keep out of it because seriously mate you are in way over your head on this one.

Those who know would appreciate exactly what PA1870 is getting at - its not a question of who won what flag whenever or who has the most impressive record, the Crows will alwys be seen by a Port fan as nothing more than a hastily cobbled together 'composite' side based around Norwood and Glenelg, a kind of establishmentarian knee-jerk reaction to Ports' , er, audacious bid to to join the VFL in 1990.

PA1870 has a point, no matter how chauvenistically he may like to put it, he is having a dig at the Crows crowd in a way a Victorian like you couldn't even begin to comprehend.

 

[Dan26]

BSA,

Oh pipe down. No football matter is over my head. I know exactly what I am talking about.

I know that Crows fans aren't going to desert their team. I'm not an idiot. Whether people "see" them as a conglomerate or not, and whether they "are" is besdie the point. The Adelaide Crows are just a footy club that got formed. They represent Adelaide. When Port were formed in 1870, they represented Port Adelaide. Adelaide are realy just a larger more modern version, than Port....... just on a bigger scale.

If this PA1870 idiot think that Crows supporters, who have barracked for their club for 10 years (and are among the most passionate and loyal supporters in the game) are just going to start barracking for Port, then he is an idiot.

I can name the exact number of premeirships that every SANFL club has won, great past players etc etc so don't EVER say I don't know what I'm taking about. If it's about footy (any footy), then I know. It's like me saying you can only comment on the Swans.

I'm aware of the politics and controversy that went into the forming of the Crows. But I also know, that footy fans don't care about that. They just wanted their own team. Once South Australians got their own team, they couldn't get enough and nearly all South Australians got behind the team. INCLUDING PORT SUPPORTERS.

There might have been some Port supporters who were "waiting" for Port to enter the AFL, because I've heard of some and I know at least one personally. But I also know at least two people personally (and about 3 on this site) that were/are Magpies supporters, yet started barracking for the Crows when they entered the AFL.

Don't give this moron any ammumition. He's a dead-set tosser. I suppose I'm not "allowed" to comment on anything outside Victoria now

 

[Bloodstained Angel]

Danny

It just proves my point when you come out and say that footy fans in SA don't care about what went on in 1990.

Its the central, core issue of the whole debate, and it really forms the whole thrust of what PA170 is on about.

Look - I agree the guy is a complete tosser - typical Port Adeaide really, but you continually miss the point of what he is getting at, and, because you don't know much about SA footy that is hardly surprising really.

Congrads on 2500 BTW

cheers

 

[Port Adelaide 1870]

Originally posted by Bloodstained Angel:


Look - I agree the guy is a complete tosser - typical Port Adeaide really,

Thanks BSA, Always ready with an appropriate compliment !!

Now talking about tossers

Danny boy, Tell me all about the SANFL and the history of the Crows and Ports effect on their formation....

and also name the three score or possibly more of Port Adelaide supporters that
began to follow the newly formed conglomerate the Crows instead of Port.

Hey BSA will tell you...most 99% of Port supporters supported Port, not other clubs
regardless of the competition.

That is why Danny Boy ...Port were able to get into the AFL...because they had a large loyal supporter base...of course a handful were going to go and support another well marketed concoction for the AFL.

Dan24 ...Get a manager and stop handling yourself.

PA1870

 

[Westy Boy]

Before i start ... I KNOW JACK SHIT ABOUT SA FOOTY!

BUT...

From an outsiders point of view, ignorant of the politics involved etc, I just think that forming the Crows was most common sensical approach to expanding the AFL into SA.

It's 1990. Considering the AFL is looking at getting the most supporters in SA involved in a national competition, which team would be more appropriate to admit into the competition?:
A)
A team formed (who gives a shit if they're a conglomerate??) to represent the whole city/state in the AFL.... to which SANFL clubs supporters had no prior bias/ill feeling towards ... hence ensuring a huge following.... and a team which anyone could follow...

B)
A team with a 130 year history .... which rival SANFL clubs supporters loathe .... of whom most would never bring themselves to follow.... effectively "locking out"a large portion of the footy following public in SA from a team to support in the AFL...

Can I ask you a hypothetical question PA1870?? ..... yes? .... good.

Say there was no SA team in the AFL. The AFL says that it will admit ONE club, and only ONE, without a hope for another from SA for the next 100 years. They choose Norwood.

Will you ever follow them, considering that it will be the only chance to see an SA team in the AFL? Would you feel cheated that they chose Norwood (a team you would never follow), and that you don't have a team to follow in the AFL?

That's how most of the SA public would have felt should Port have been admitted in 1990, instead of the Crows. Put yourself in their shoes.

 

[Victoria Sucks]

Answer me this mr 1870 how many member does port have? 15-20 LOL

 

[ptw]

a few points if I may.....

1. Careful Titan...you have no idea what you are talking about.

2. I have been a Port supporter all my life, and I followed the Crows from 1991 to 1996 (my heart just wasn't in it once I knew Port were coming in).

3. Dan.... what happened in 1990 (at least to Port fans) is what it is all about. The ultimate 'us against them'.

4. PA1870...I think the prospect of droves of Crow fans coming over to Port is a tad optimistic. They generally hate our guts mate !!!!

5. I agree with Westy....the current arrangement (conglomerate + established club) is the best solution in the circumstances. Everyone has a club (if you can call the crows that...sorry) and yet you have a meaningful rivalry as well.

6. Personally I think what Port did in 1990 was wrong...but that is another story.

7. Dan....You know as much about SA footy as I do about VFL footy....what you can read in a book. Not much really....if you wearn't there.

thanks !!!


ptw

 

[Port Adelaide 1870]

Originally posted by ptw:
a few points if I may.....

1. Careful Titan...you have no idea what you are talking about.

2. I have been a Port supporter all my life, and I followed the Crows from 1991 to 1996 (my heart just wasn't in it once I knew Port were coming in).

3. Dan.... what happened in 1990 (at least to Port fans) is what it is all about. The ultimate 'us against them'.

4. PA1870...I think the prospect of droves of Crow fans coming over to Port is a tad optimistic. They generally hate our guts mate !!!!

5. I agree with Westy....the current arrangement (conglomerate + established club) is the best solution in the circumstances. Everyone has a club (if you can call the crows that...sorry) and yet you have a meaningful rivalry as well.

6. Personally I think what Port did in 1990 was wrong...but that is another story.

7. Dan....You know as much about SA footy as I do about VFL footy....what you can read in a book. Not much really....if you wearn't there.

thanks !!!


ptw

ptw,

In all seariousness, I wouldnt expect Crows supporters to jump onto Port. ( Did I say Droves ? ) I never really have. I just find the way their supporters abandoned their clubs wholesale to support any mish -mash put before them....just to play in the AFL..and my thrust is
Crows supporters would follow any mish-mash put to them if the SANFL for any hypothetical reason closed them ( the Crows ) down....their ( the Crows Supporters ) record is club abandonement...
Thats all on that one.


2. Had the Norwood Port scenario occured from day one as the VFL wanted, we would have had a superb football rivalry in Adelaide...based on over 125 years of history..
Now ..all we have is a manufactured scene......One that the rest of SA can say that Port are a traditionless club...mainly because their Football business is only 10 years old.
So what we have is not a traditional rivalry in SA... We have a State team versus Port Adelaide.

3. Those 10 - 11 - 12 - 13 - 14 year olds that were about when the Crows were admitted have grown used to them and love them. So they defend them with a passion now.. The Business is not a club , members have NO say in voting rights
it is just a marketing and business vehicle for the SANFL old boys, that happens to have a Football team attatched.... That is how it is.....

As some have said ..it doesnt matter.. the Fans dont know that stuff and they dont care, they just go to watch the footy loyally. That says a lot doesnt it.

I also think that what Port did in 1990 was wrong....No mention is ever made on the VFL's part in that whole deal.

The Victorians wouldnt have had a SA club in the VFL and Australia would not have had a club in the National comp had Port not made their audacious bid.

Read the Crows locker , How the Crows were formed section.....You will see that the formation of the Crows would not have happened for many years if not for Port.
The SANFL tells us 1993 in the web site, but many here knew only if the AFL put before the SANFL only what the SANFL wanted.. there was talk of 2003 if the AFL didnt meet the SANFL's demands.

Finally...If we werent to give The AFL S.A.s two most traditional clubs..Port and Norwood..anything less would have been innappropriate.

The concept of a mish-mash conglomerate for "All South Australians " was the best option...

Dan24, the Crows DO represent the remaining SANFL clubs, that is the whole concept of the Crows, they have the state colours and The Crows is a derivative of "Crow eaters " the state teams name.

Port Adelaide ....is Port Adelaide..one club..one supporter base...just like..Carlton, Collingwood, Essendon...etc. ............No abandonement always Port.

PA1870

 

[Port Adelaide 1870]

Originally posted by The Titan:
Answer me this mr 1870 how many member does port have? 15-20 LOL

Last season the highest membership in the AFL was
1. The Crows
2. Port Adelaide (I think) with 35,000 or so members

Correct me if I m wrong guys.

Titan...who do you barrack for ?

PA1870

 

[Mudholian]

While I don't want to get onto the Crow supporters, as they are insignificant as far as I'm concerned, it is obvious that some of them would rather downplay Port's win over Essendon than discuss their own Club's loss against Brisbane.
Mud

 

[Port Adelaide 1870]

Originally posted by Crows.ok:
PA 1870 (actually 1997 in this comp, but whatever),

Tell me Crows o.k

Port were established in 1870 in SA and now play in the AFL, they werent established in any comp..they were established as a club in 1870.

Richmond were established in 1882 ( I think )
give or take a year. They didnt join the VFL until 1908, but their est. date is 1882

Collingwood didnt join the VFL until 1897 but their Est. date is 1892.

Nth Melb didnt join the VFL until 1925, but their Est date was 1869.

Melbourne didnt join the VFL until 1897 but their Est is 1859.

So what is your point ?

Is it that Port joined the AFL in 1997 ..As we all know, or is it that the Port Adelaide Football club didnt exist until 1997?
I dont get it.

PA1870

 

[Kathys spell check]

Dear Dickheads and assorted bad spellers, please proof read your work before replying
Especially you Dan24, you need to go back to school to learn to spell. It is most noticable after PA1870 has made a post in Dan24s' case, is it because you are so frustrated that you only have one hand to type with as the other one is busy playing with your dick ?

 

[Dan26]

Originally posted by Kathys spell check:
Dear Dickheads and assorted bad spellers, please proof read your work before replying
Especially you Dan24, you need to go back to school to learn to spell. It is most noticable after PA1870 has made a post in Dan24s' case, is it because you are so frustrated that you only have one hand to type with as the other one is busy playing with your dick ?

Welcome, you unregistered ******. I didn't know I was getting marked on this. Is it an essay or something? If I can be bothered doing a spell check, I will. Normally, I can't be bothered.

 

[Crows.ok]

Originally posted by Port Adelaide 1870:

Originally posted by Crows.ok:
PA 1870 (actually 1997 in this comp, but whatever),

Tell me Crows o.k

Port were established in 1870 in SA and now play in the AFL, they werent established in any comp..they were established as a club in 1870.

Richmond were established in 1882 ( I think )
give or take a year. They didnt join the VFL until 1908, but their est. date is 1882

Collingwood didnt join the VFL until 1897 but their Est. date is 1892.

Nth Melb didnt join the VFL until 1925, but their Est date was 1869.

Melbourne didnt join the VFL until 1897 but their Est is 1859.

So what is your point ?

Is it that Port joined the AFL in 1997 ..As we all know, or is it that the Port Adelaide Football club didnt exist until 1997?
I dont get it.

PA1870

Of course you don't get. Thats because you are just a tosser. Read Westy Boy on this thread, who claims to know nothing about footy in SA, yet hits the nail on the head.

We are talking about entry of teams into the AFL. Port & fans in 1990 wanted to get in, to the exclusion of the majority of SA fans. This was THE most selfish dog-in-the-manger behaviour I can think of by fans of any club anywhere. Your lot wanted to cut out every other footy fan in SA from ahving a team to support in the AFL. Your crowd would sell everybody else short.

So, the formation of Crows, far from being controversial, was in fact about 80% of the SA footy public working towards a common cause. And that cause was to keep Port out. To prevent them from hogging the premier footy competition interest for themselves. It was wonderfully unifying, nearly as close as consensus as it is possible to get socially for such a large group.

It had nothing to do with lemmings, or corporate conglomerates, or anything like that. Just a new club created with a common purpose: Save SA footy & STOP Port!!!

In 1997, that purpose was served. May as well let Port into the AFL then, it was a natural rivalry with Adelaides established AFL club.

But you had nothing as an AFL entity until then. By the will of the SA footy public. That is the purpose of mentioning "1997 in this comp".

 

[Port Adelaide 1870]

Originally posted by Crows.ok:
Of course you don't get. Thats because you are just a tosser. Read Westy Boy on this thread, who claims to know nothing about footy in SA, yet hits the nail on the head.

We are talking about entry of teams into the AFL. Port & fans in 1990 wanted to get in, to the exclusion of the majority of SA fans. This was THE most selfish dog-in-the-manger behaviour I can think of by fans of any club anywhere. Your lot wanted to cut out every other footy fan in SA from ahving a team to support in the AFL. Your crowd would sell everybody else short.

So, the formation of Crows, far from being controversial, was in fact about 80% of the SA footy public working towards a common cause. And that cause was to keep Port out. To prevent them from hogging the premier footy competition interest for themselves. It was wonderfully unifying, nearly as close as consensus as it is possible to get socially for such a large group.

It had nothing to do with lemmings, or corporate conglomerates, or anything like that. Just a new club created with a common purpose: Save SA footy & STOP Port!!!

In 1997, that purpose was served. May as well let Port into the AFL then, it was a natural rivalry with Adelaides established AFL club.

But you had nothing as an AFL entity until then. By the will of the SA footy public. That is the purpose of mentioning "1997 in this comp".

Lemming.