Originally posted by ptw:
a few points if I may.....
1. Careful Titan...you have no idea what you are talking about.
2. I have been a Port supporter all my life, and I followed the Crows from 1991 to 1996 (my heart just wasn't in it once I knew Port were coming in).
3. Dan.... what happened in 1990 (at least to Port fans) is what it is all about. The ultimate 'us against them'.
4. PA1870...I think the prospect of droves of Crow fans coming over to Port is a tad optimistic. They generally hate our guts mate !!!!
5. I agree with Westy....the current arrangement (conglomerate + established club) is the best solution in the circumstances. Everyone has a club (if you can call the crows that...sorry) and yet you have a meaningful rivalry as well.
6. Personally I think what Port did in 1990 was wrong...but that is another story.
7. Dan....You know as much about SA footy as I do about VFL footy....what you can read in a book. Not much really....if you wearn't there.
thanks !!!
ptw
ptw,
In all seariousness, I wouldnt expect Crows supporters to jump onto Port. ( Did I say Droves ? ) I never really have. I just find the way their supporters abandoned their clubs wholesale to support any mish -mash put before them....just to play in the AFL..and my thrust is
Crows supporters would follow any mish-mash put to them if the SANFL for any hypothetical reason closed them ( the Crows ) down....their ( the Crows Supporters ) record is club abandonement...
Thats all on that one.
2. Had the Norwood Port scenario occured from day one as the VFL wanted, we would have had a superb football rivalry in Adelaide...based on over 125 years of history..
Now ..all we have is a manufactured scene......One that the rest of SA can say that Port are a traditionless club...mainly because their Football business is only 10 years old.
So what we have is not a traditional rivalry in SA... We have a State team versus Port Adelaide.
3. Those 10 - 11 - 12 - 13 - 14 year olds that were about when the Crows were admitted have grown used to them and love them. So they defend them with a passion now.. The Business is not a club , members have NO say in voting rights
it is just a marketing and business vehicle for the SANFL old boys, that happens to have a Football team attatched.... That is how it is.....
As some have said ..it doesnt matter.. the Fans dont know that stuff and they dont care, they just go to watch the footy loyally. That says a lot doesnt it.
I also think that what Port did in 1990 was wrong....No mention is ever made on the VFL's part in that whole deal.
The Victorians wouldnt have had a SA club in the VFL and Australia would not have had a club in the National comp had Port not made their audacious bid.
Read the Crows locker , How the Crows were formed section.....You will see that the formation of the Crows would not have happened for many years if not for Port.
The SANFL tells us 1993 in the web site, but many here knew only if the AFL put before the SANFL only what the SANFL wanted.. there was talk of 2003 if the AFL didnt meet the SANFL's demands.
Finally...If we werent to give The AFL S.A.s two most traditional clubs..Port and Norwood..anything less would have been innappropriate.
The concept of a mish-mash conglomerate for "All South Australians " was the best option...
Dan24, the Crows DO represent the remaining SANFL clubs, that is the whole concept of the Crows, they have the state colours and The Crows is a derivative of "Crow eaters " the state teams name.
Port Adelaide ....is Port Adelaide..one club..one supporter base...just like..Carlton, Collingwood, Essendon...etc. ............No abandonement always Port.
PA1870