Crows supporters ..now abandoning THAT conglomerate ,for another AFL club

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Lemmmings ,
Please tell me where you can vote your "Club" board in or out ?

You cant as it is not a "Club" it is a business conglomerate manufactured to cash in on the Lemming mentality of non Port people...it worked.

The Business is devised to provide the highest level of football executive to loyal SANFL football club board members.. the fear when Port went for the AFL bid was not "shall we stop them", but "What is going to happen to our position in the community if Port get in" It was self serving as well.

The lemmings at football park are like worker bees or ants mindlessly turning up to whatever the SANFL had devised for them, they all abandoned their own clubs AFL causes
because they just didnt have enough lead in their pencils.......no balls, follow the
" New Thang " the " Happenan thang "

Port supporters would never abandon their club that is why the REST of SOUTH AUSTRALIA HAD to band togethor to put a team in...It has taken 9 other south Australian football clubs and their abandoners to come up with one club.

PA1870

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Originally posted by Port Adelaide 1870:
I wonder how long it will be before the Crows fans begin abandoning the conglomerate state side AFL club the CROWS.... As Port start winning this year we will begin to get enquiries from people only ever seen at non Port SANFL grounds prior to the Crows joining the AFL and current Crows watchers.

Hey , the excuses will run from.." Oh , I only ever wanted to watch the AFL " to

" I never really barracked for Glenelg, thats why we became season ticket holders of the Crows and My Dad never really barracked for Glenelg and neither did his nor my uncle or mum "


" We never were Norwood Supporters and ,Darn ,the Crows are playing at times we ..Just cant get to...but Port, well we've ALWAYS begrudgingly liked them...and GUESS WHAT ! their playing times coincide with our ability to get to the AFL footy, Oh well looks like we'll Just have to abandon the Crows and take up Port memberships "

Here they come !!!!!!!!!!

PA1870
You are joking! Tell me you are joking.
Just remember, the Crows have a waiting list and Port have plenty of empty seats. That wont change, not this season.

I will have no problems watching the Crows this year and you can watch your February Champions.


Seeing you dont make excuses surely this wont warrant a response from you.
 

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PA1870,

You are biased. I am neutral. Take it from a neutral person......you are wrong.

Read Crows.ok post again. It is magnificent. It is all true. No one has abandoned their club. What a load of crap! Absolute crap. When the Crows were formed in 1991, they were representing ADELAIDE. All South Australians were welcome to join them, including Port supporters if they wanted to. Every single Crows supporter would ALSO support a SANFL team. Hell I support Werribee in the VFL and Essendon in the AFL.

Adelaide aren't really a conglomerate. They are just a footy club representing a bigger area (Adelaide) than Port, who just represent a part of Adelaide. The Adelaide Crows are just a bigger version, on a bigger scale.

CrowsOK nailed it on the head, when he said that Port were being selfish. How stupid to think that a one team town, would work if that one team was Port Adelaide. If there was going to be one team, it would be logical, if that one team could be suported by ALL South Australians. South Australians could support their SANFL club (eg Port, Norwood, Glenlelg etc) and they would support the Crows in the AFL.

It would be stupid, arrogant, and moronic to have Port Adelaide as the first AFL team in 1990. From a marketing point of view it makes no sense.

CrowsOk, just ignore this dill. He is the most biased and arrogant piece of Port Adelaide garbage I have ever seen. I don't hate Port, because I have never cared about them. But I'm beginning to hate them now, only because of him. It makes it even more fun when they lose regularly, which they have done since 1997.

Oh, PA1870, apparently, I'm not allowed to have an opinion on this (even though my view is more credible as a neutral observer) because I am a Victorian




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While I appreciate the neautral comments, you don't know the facts. The club which went behaind the backs of the SANFL and stabbed every other club in the back was Norwood. Certain members of the AFL commission leaked Norwood's negotiations in order to force their hand. Port entered at theat point, after it was completely out. Not every SANFL club was opposed to Port. Norwood, naturally, kept very quiet. Port had at least 40% of the curent market and 75% of all SANFL football supporters went to Port matches. Port were well qulaified to be the first SA Club in. Crows supporters did not support their SANFL team - SANFL memberships plummented, except at Port, and Port's % of memberships, already 40%, increased even more. Since then , support for the Crows has gradually declined, wile the claim 60% of the public football suporter market, they muster barely 10% more members than Port. Their attendances were at an all time low last season, part of a trend that has seen 2000 less attend each year since 1998. In spite of the hype about Port's attendances, they have not changed at all as a % of all football attendances in SA. As for the other parts of this argument, I don't care, I just like facts introduced occasionally.
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Originally posted by Mudholian:
While I appreciate the neautral comments, you don't know the facts. The club which went behaind the backs of the SANFL and stabbed every other club in the back was Norwood. Certain members of the AFL commission leaked Norwood's negotiations in order to force their hand. Port entered at theat point, after it was completely out. Not every SANFL club was opposed to Port. Norwood, naturally, kept very quiet. Port had at least 40% of the curent market and 75% of all SANFL football supporters went to Port matches. Port were well qulaified to be the first SA Club in. Crows supporters did not support their SANFL team - SANFL memberships plummented, except at Port, and Port's % of memberships, already 40%, increased even more. Since then , support for the Crows has gradually declined, wile the claim 60% of the public football suporter market, they muster barely 10% more members than Port. Their attendances were at an all time low last season, part of a trend that has seen 2000 less attend each year since 1998. In spite of the hype about Port's attendances, they have not changed at all as a % of all football attendances in SA. As for the other parts of this argument, I don't care, I just like facts introduced occasionally.
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Port don't have anywhere near 40% of the SA market. More like 25% to 33%. The Crows support outnumbers the Port support by three to one or more.

Crows have sold out Footy Park to maximum capacity from day 1. Next year, Footy Park capacity will increase by 7000. Of that increase, 2000 must be made available to general admission, leaving 5000 extra seats available for memberships & season tickets.

Crows have already sold out that extra 5000 to their waiting list (starting with the 2002 season). An increase of 5000 on 40000 is about a 12% increase. Clearly this is limited by the available capacity and not the level of Crows support.

If you like facts to be introduced, why not introduce them? But stick to facts, not some vague fantasy about a decline in Crows support, when it has just gone UP by 12%, and constrained at that.
 
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Originally posted by Dan24:
PA1870,

You are biased. I am neutral. Take it from a neutral person......you are wrong.

Read Crows.ok post again. It is magnificent. It is all true. No one has abandoned their club. What a load of crap! Absolute crap. When the Crows were formed in 1991, they were representing ADELAIDE. All South Australians were welcome to join them, including Port supporters if they wanted to. Every single Crows supporter would ALSO support a SANFL team. Hell I support Werribee in the VFL and Essendon in the AFL.

Adelaide aren't really a conglomerate. They are just a footy club representing a bigger area (Adelaide) than Port, who just represent a part of Adelaide. The Adelaide Crows are just a bigger version, on a bigger scale.

CrowsOK nailed it on the head, when he said that Port were being selfish. How stupid to think that a one team town, would work if that one team was Port Adelaide. If there was going to be one team, it would be logical, if that one team could be suported by ALL South Australians. South Australians could support their SANFL club (eg Port, Norwood, Glenlelg etc) and they would support the Crows in the AFL.

It would be stupid, arrogant, and moronic to have Port Adelaide as the first AFL team in 1990. From a marketing point of view it makes no sense.

CrowsOk, just ignore this dill. He is the most biased and arrogant piece of Port Adelaide garbage I have ever seen. I don't hate Port, because I have never cared about them. But I'm beginning to hate them now, only because of him. It makes it even more fun when they lose regularly, which they have done since 1997.

Oh, PA1870, apparently, I'm not allowed to have an opinion on this (even though my view is more credible as a neutral observer) because I am a Victorian


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Dan 24,

Your arrogance is so blindingly overwhelmhing that you cannot see past the blinkers on your head.
It is because of the onesided, opiniated, chauvenistic,biase, such as constantly portrayed by you that a SA versus Victoria rivalry eventuated.

Positions were being made in the then VFL for SA based clubs. The VFL had invited Port and Norwood as early as 1984.

Port ON invitation had harboured that desire for some time. The VFL WANTED PORT.

The SANFL was a strong competition, public polls right up until the formation of the Crows had shown repeatedly that SA did not want a club admitted into the VFL at the expense of the SANFL. The SANFL continued to act on its public opinion and marketing polls.

The only exception to these polls were the Port Adelaide Football club. and that in itself was a major concern to the SANFL.

The football administrations, hierachies and the networks of those entities of Nine clubs, plus the administration of the SANFL, all their football associates, business, corporate and social could easily be usurped by one club....This is the whole background crux to a picture you cannot, will not are not able to see, because in your eyes the Crows are just a club formed to be put in the AFL...they were not.they were a vehicle devised to protect the interest of the above mentioned, well marketed and riding on the public moods hate for Port.

In SA we had an air of non difference to the VFL, talk and negotiations were there, but the public continued to register their disaproval of a SA entry into the VFL.

This has nothing to do with you barracking for werribee, the supporters in SA were following, supporting barracking for the principal clubs in the principal competition in SA as they had for generations the mindset is different to follwing a second tier Vic comp like the VFA/L, their was no need by the SANFL to join a Victorian based state comp or indeed and extended VFL comp.

Slowly, numbers of members and supporters of the other 9 SANFL clubs began to dwindle.

Not Port Adelaide ,however, the members at Port began to increase, Port had to fight harder than ever to maintain its playing lists against pressure from ALL VFL clubs and yet still continued to turn out great players. The pressure was beginning to take its toll though.

Not withstanding the general mood in SA i.e. They werent prepared to Support a SA entry into the VFL.

Port Adelaide, in response to Norwoods clandestine meetings...made its move.

Remembering their was no desire from other SA fans to follow an entity in the VFL as nothing existed, whatever loyalties the SA fans had were left with their own clubs
So there was no empathy to a non existant entity.

Port as the strongest most supported, successful club and required by the VFL...then AFL, had the support of its members and of the VFL then AFL administration.

This was not about a "team for all south Australians", this was about club football
as much as Essendon are not a "team for all Victorians"

Port made its move...A SA footy going public were outraged, all of a sudden , people that had no desire to support a team in the ( now AFL ) according to morgan Gallup and other polls commissioned by the SANFL took an interest in preventing Port from joining the AFL...

The rallying point to draw peoples life time associations to SANFL league football clubs away ,had come, nothing could give the SANFL and indeed the AFL the ability to
make people abandon life time associations..their principal, business, corporate, private and social connections to their football clubs like this....

this is not arrogance..it is what happened , it is reality.

The SANFL was a wasteland overnight...people werent barracking for the Crows, they were barracking for the propaganda machine that united them for the first time in their lives...against Port.....

They had beaten Port, in Numbers, in the Courts, in the unification of SA footy followers and in the entry into the new AFL.

But their life time team associations to SANFL clubs were now gone..
The mounds at Glenelg had between 800 and 2,000 at SANFL games...where once
10,000 to 25,000 would roar for the Tigers.

Norwoods terraces were holding 1.500 to 5,000 people where once capacity 20,000 crowds were the Norm.

Sturt were no longer drawing crowds the average between 1,200 and 3,000
where they could draw 35,000 between Port and themselves or 30,000 between them and Norwood at Footy park or Adelaide oval.

They had been abandoned..
And as you say people still barrack for their SANFL teams Dan..they do, but they dont turn up, there arent the corporate sponsors anymore, the clubs struggle, to a large degree , the size of these clubs was comparable to VFL clubs prior to the AFL, the AFL clubs now are light years from what they were then, they are now slick corporate machines, in those days the VFL were just larger footy clubs than SANFL clubs, but not all....Now SANFL is like the VFA.

That is what it is all about Dan...not bad stuff about the Crows...but the death of a friend.


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Dan 24,

You have always made it your job to set about riddiculing me, then if that failed abusing me..I must admit of late have taken to giving the abuse back...and I must say its like standing on the hill at the footy..I derive some pleasure from it when it is due.

I cannot however understand how you continually berate my point of view, when it is merely opinion, though based on very close to the bone associations with the SANFL...not just Port.

Dan, I am and have given some insights into the SANFL and Port over time..much comes from my close associatons to both..

I appreciate you are knowledgable, there are times when you speak from a perspective of distance...

Much like Americans telling us about why we shouldnt cull Kangaroos...Noble and in many cases well researched advice and protest....but not really understanding all the details.

Your posts are at most enlightening at worst abusive....... thats footy.

What I write is not meant to incite, though sometimes I do RESPOND to do so.

Most of what I am sharing is based on intimate first hand knowledge of the entire SANFL, ,Port ,AFL situation..

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PA1870 - you appear to be the most arrogant, egotistical, conceited, megalomaniac to post on this Board. You must just love reading your own words. The stuff you gush forth is absolute crap. You have twisted words and arguments to suit your own point of view, whether it is factual or not. Never let the true facts get in the way of your opinion.

If anyone bothered to read half the stuff
you post, I wouldn't blame them for not liking South Australians.
 

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Originally posted by Crow54:
PA1870 - you appear to be the most arrogant, egotistical, conceited, megalomaniac to post on this Board. You must just love reading your own words. The stuff you gush forth is absolute crap. You have twisted words and arguments to suit your own point of view, whether it is factual or not. Never let the true facts get in the way of your opinion.

If anyone bothered to read half the stuff
you post, I wouldn't blame them for not liking South Australians.

No I dont accept what you have said, however I respect your right to put your view across.
I as I have already said am Not making what I have said up, nor am I twisting any arguments, nor am I baiting for argument. It is remarkable that you are abusing me for sharing insights into close connections I have.

I am truly surprised that the revelations that I have shared have brought forth the vehemence from such as yourself.

Crows 54..I am not Grandstanding here, just merely sharing information, from that to what you have described me as is simply unbelievable. Why are you accusing me of those things ?

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Crows 54,

Rather than set the boots in...Perhaps try and back up your reasoning, show me the twisted truths, twisted facts and lack of them to suit my argument...I know what I say is emotive..

I dont back away from that, but I dont pussyfoot around with politically correct euphemisms just to suit .

I am lucky enough to have been VERY close to the scene, prior during and some time after all this happened, many just dont know or think they know...it is amazing to listen to People speak in public about " What Happened ". with the whole Crows, Port thing, knowing how silly some of the ideas and arguments are.

Im not saying Im smarter than anyone at all.. or Righteous, people can have their opinions, I am not going to be quiet just because Fifty people tell me something is Black, when the manufacturer who I just have left that made the product told me it was white............ I amJust , once again sharing some very close to home information...

Crow 54....If I spilled the beans on all that I knew You would be absolutely shocked.
The info youve got so far is tip of the iceberg.

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Originally posted by Crow54:
PA1870 - you appear to be the most arrogant, egotistical, conceited, megalomaniac to post on this Board. You must just love reading your own words. The stuff you gush forth is absolute crap. You have twisted words and arguments to suit your own point of view, whether it is factual or not. Never let the true facts get in the way of your opinion.

If anyone bothered to read half the stuff
you post, I wouldn't blame them for not liking South Australians.
Substitute "Essendon supporters" for "South Australians" and you describe Dan24 to a T.
 

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PA1870
In your zeal to make a case for Port PA1870 the following areas are where you seem to have been a little colourful in painting the picture:

"In SA we had an air of non difference to the VFL, talk and negotiations were there, but the public continued to register their disaproval of a SA entry into the VFL."

and

"Positions were being made in the then VFL for SA based clubs. The VFL had invited Port and Norwood as early as 1984."

This is a different slant, and while its not exactly wrong I don't believe it gives an entirely accurate impression. Port & Norwood may have been offered a place in the VFL in 1984, but that offer was rejected (or perhaps vetoed by SANFL) because it would effectively terminate the local SANFL competition. The ongoing VFL/SANFL negotiations continued past 1984 on the basis of putting a composite side into VFL. They were not then about putting Port (or even Norwood) into the VFL. The vast majority of the SA footy public disapproved of SA entry into VFL at the expense of SANFL. They did not disapprove of a new composite side going into VFL. SANFL were offering this to AFL, but could not agree on terms.

There is evidence to support that the ongoing negotiations were not for a SANFL club, but rather for a composite side, to enter into VFL ... the SANFL had registered the name 'Adelaide Football Club' for quite some years prior to 1990.

"Port as the strongest most supported, successful club and required by the VFL...then AFL, had the support of its members and of the VFL then AFL administration."

and

"Port ON invitation had harboured that desire for some time. The VFL WANTED PORT."

This is not quite the whole story. Port did have ambitions, and they had the apparent "support" of the VFL turned AFL administration in 1989. This was apparently so only in order to force the hand of SANFL. This conclusion is supported by subsequent events, since as soon as the SANFL offered its composite side on AFL terms, as the negotiations had been trying to arrange, AFL dropped the Port proposal. So much for VFL/AFL 'wanting' Port.

I'm not claiming to be privvy to inside information here, or anything. Its just that it is very difficult to put any other interpetation on the actual events.

Port were used as a negotiating lever, a puppet. Port fell hook, line and sinker for this ruse because they were so selfish they could not see how they were being used.
 

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I said before that I did not agree with what Port did in 1990....well....

There are a few things which really give me the willies about the current set up.

1. The father son rule does not apply to Port.

2. Official AFL statistics include the VFL.

3. S.A. has no zone...so even though we have teams, we still cannot keep the talent in the state.

4. Both the Crows and Port had to pay a licence fee to join. The AFL wanted the bloody teams in and then made us pay.

We can do nothing about these things as they were a condition of our licence.

Is this good for S.A. football ? No. It is fine for the Crows...not actually too bad for Port (hey...at least we are in not like Norwood), but generally a bad deal for S.A. footy.

How could things have been different ?

The only way was for the SANFL to negotiate its way into the comp. Hold out until the VFL agreed to some or all of the terms.

By Port (and Norwood) breaking solidarity, it took away any prospect of the SANFL negotiating a deal which was good for SA footy. It was an interesting dynamic...the longer the SANFL held out the more pressure it put on the VFL...which in turn meant the VFL mounted more pressure on SANFL clubs to join in their own right. This tension obviously broke in 1990.

As for WA, well they were just hopeless. in 1986 the WAFL and the SANFL could have negotiated for the entry of 4 teams into the VFL and had some real power. The WAFL just sold their own competition for 2 shiney balls and a packet of string.

At the end of the day, if Norwood were about to join then I can understand why Port did what it did (hey solidarity was gone anyway) but we still would have maximised our position negotiating as one.

CrowsOK...don't get lulled into a false sense of security. Port's 1990 bid needed 10 fo the 14 VFL clubs to vote for it...we got 9, with Collingwood (who actually supported the bid) voting against on the basis of colours and emblem. If there were not the injunctions then Port could have agreed to play as the bananas in pyjamas and got in (although that woiuld have cause a problem with North !!)

Does anyone know the other 4 VFL clubs which voted against Port ?

ptw

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Originally posted by Dan24:

Your comments are childish. Adelaide Crows fans, in my opinion, are among the most loyal you will find. They have MASSIVE membership, they always sell out footy park, and their supporters are prepared to travel. The colour and passion of Crows supporters made the 1997 and 1998 Grand Final magnificent spectacles. Crows fans are among the most passionate in the AFL. The noise they make, even at away games, often puts other fans to shame.

They have been around for 10 years now and are forging their own history. To call them a conglomerate is not true. They are a new club in their own right. They do not "represent" the SANFL clubs. Where does it say that they do? Does it say in the AFC constitution that they represent the SANFL clubs? They represent THEMSELVES. Any SANFL supporters can support the Crows if they choose.....it's up to them. Sure, they had a big advantage drawing on ALL of S.A with their support but so what? Good luck to them.

Its obvious by the above that you have absolutly no idea at all!!! A sell out at Football Park before recent renovations was around 46,000...that has only been reached two or three times in AFL games there (93 v Collingwood, Showdown 1 and Showdown 2) from memory. Crows average attendance is just under 39,000 from research i did last year...the crows attendance in the last two years have been down 15% on the 98 average (funny that dont you think) So one of your main points is shot out of the water there already...get your facts straight before sprouting something like "they sellout every week" if they did all crows games would be shown live here inadelaide...only one crows game has been shown live ever...i think it was 98 v North Melbourne. They have plenty of fans...around 800,000 to be approximate...and they are the most fickle whinging complaining backstabbing supporters who will find. Back in the Shaw days they used to spit on the players going thru the race, they were abusive, very abusive at after match functions involving players...ive got video tape evidence of this as well. In the good old Robert Shaw days. They hate Gary Ayres...they are also the most quiet supporters ive seen. Richmond is by far the loudest...Crows by far the quitest...when a team needs you most, when you start drifting behind in a game, they sit in their chairs and sulk and dont say a word, blame the umpires, blame the coach. Youll never hear a peep from a crow when they are falling behind, they only ever cheer when they are in front. The crows are a conglomerate of all the SANFL clubs...and is owned by teh SANFL...hence the SANFLS decision to sack certain members of the crows board just to get a certain well known entity in SA into the board. Also funny that most of these supporters started about 1 day after them winning the 97 flag hey!!
 

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Originally posted by Bloodstained Angel:
Dan24

With respect - there are some aspects of South Australian football you would never read in a history book or find in a statistical table.

Again, respectively, you know absolutely JACK SHIT about SA footy, so, keep out of it because seriously mate you are in way over your head on this one.

Those who know would appreciate exactly what PA1870 is getting at - its not a question of who won what flag whenever or who has the most impressive record, the Crows will alwys be seen by a Port fan as nothing more than a hastily cobbled together 'composite' side based around Norwood and Glenelg, a kind of establishmentarian knee-jerk reaction to Ports' , er, audacious bid to to join the VFL in 1990.

PA1870 has a point, no matter how chauvenistically he may like to put it, he is having a dig at the Crows crowd in a way a Victorian like you couldn't even begin to comprehend.

Naow here is a man with knowledge. The Adelaide Football Club was actually formed in 1981 believe it or not (thats not a typo, Nineteen EightyOne to be exact) as there was talk then of an adelaide side being placed in the VFL. Its at the beginning of the video 'The Way it Was '81'
But the Adelaide Crows was put togehter in about 2 weeks as Glenelg put a restraing order on Port to speak to AFL clubs toget there consent or support to join. That is why Port fans hate the crows. Crows supporters will support whatever the media feeds them. Its funny how in the weeks following the 1990 announcement of Port joining that all SA fans were against the idea, the media was against it (there was a raucus at Alberton between a few port fans and KG), noone wanted to be in the AFL, Cornes stated he would not have anything to do with the new side as his heart would not be in it....oh how the tide turns...2 months later, the media loves them, suddenly the have 1 million supporters around the state and all is forgotten. PA1870 is right, they are just lemmings...sure there are a few good crows supporters, i know many, but most are just lemmings...will support anything thrown in front of them...they would support another SA side, if the Northern Adelaide Giants were created as a third side, crows fans would suddenly have memberships at two clubs as that is how they are...simple as that
 

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Originally posted by Dan24:
BSA,

Oh pipe down. No football matter is over my head. I know exactly what I am talking about.

I can name the exact number of premeirships that every SANFL club has won, great past players etc etc so don't EVER say I don't know what I'm taking about. If it's about footy (any footy), then I know. It's like me saying you can only comment on the Swans.

I'm aware of the politics and controversy that went into the forming of the Crows. But I also know, that footy fans don't care about that. They just wanted their own team. Once South Australians got their own team, they couldn't get enough and nearly all South Australians got behind the team. INCLUDING PORT SUPPORTERS.


You are an arrogant pompous up yourself asshole arent you..."i know exactly what im talking abuot" you *******.
I can name the exact number of premierships every Melbourne club has won as well and great players at each club...what is your point exactly?
You know NOTHING of the controversy that went on here. The Middle East war was on at the time, yet front page news was that port was going into the afl!!! If you knew anything about what went on, youd know that not one South Australian wanted to join the AFL, not one person in South Australia supported the idea, other SANFL clubs put restraining orders on Port so they couldnt join the AFL. They didnt want their own team, they wanted NO team, they didnt want a part of it. You are right tho...ONCE the media got behind the crows, then suddenly everyone was their biggest fans. Im a port fan, i was young at the time (8 or 9) so i supported the crows, on the basis it was an SA team...i knew nothing of what went on until i looked it up, reviewed lots of media about he subject and made my own mind. The truth is, SA didnt want an SA side, media was against it, the public was against it. KG wouldnt of said "its a very sad day in the history of SA" after ports announcement if he liked the idea would he?? no..he would of said good idea, but lets have a state side instead of just port. So you little arrogant prick, keep in your own backyard and dont try to tell us our own history when you know little about it...i dont tell you about your history, get your facts right before stating ours
 

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Originally posted by Westy Boy:
Before i start ... I KNOW JACK SHIT ABOUT SA FOOTY!


BUT...

From an outsiders point of view, ignorant of the politics involved etc, I just think that forming the Crows was most common sensical approach to expanding the AFL into SA.
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as a port fan i agree with you that a composite side was the most logical option, but the AFL stated it wanted port due to its history of success and supporter base.

And a side note, i would never support anyone else other than Port, so iw ould never barrack for norwood
 

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Originally posted by Dan24:
PA1870,

You are biased. I am neutral. Take it from a neutral person......you are wrong.

Read Crows.ok post again. It is magnificent. It is all true. No one has abandoned their club. What a load of crap! Absolute crap. When the Crows were formed in 1991, they were representing ADELAIDE. All South Australians were welcome to join them, including Port supporters if they wanted to. Every single Crows supporter would ALSO support a SANFL team. Hell I support Werribee in the VFL and Essendon in the AFL.

Adelaide aren't really a conglomerate. They are just a footy club representing a bigger area (Adelaide) than Port, who just represent a part of Adelaide. The Adelaide Crows are just a bigger version, on a bigger scale. [This message has been edited by Dan24 (edited 19 February 2001).]
wrong again dan..plenty of crow fans abandoned their sanfl club. They vetoed against port going to the afl to save sa footy, yet when the crows went in, SA footy was up shit creek. Noone went...loyal port and norwood fans still went, sturt were in the middle of their shitness so noone went, you say you support werribee in the VFL, can i ask a fair question? How many werribee games do you goto watch a year??
I see around about 19-20 Port Magpies games. when the crows went in of course everyone had a sanfl club, but they didnt watch...they would only check the paper "oh god north won", if they made the finals they would trudge along...if they didnt, they wouldnt bother. SANFL football crowds have never been big, but the AFL teams have killed it a bit..it is getting stronger, but in the early 90s it was dead.
Adelaide is acted onlike a business...they are basically controlled by Max Basheer and Leigh Whicker...whereas man footy clubs hold AGMs to vote in and out board members...Whicker and Basheer get to decide on crows board members. If you had been here altely...two or three crows board members got axed, three new ones got in, just so that a certain highly stated individual here could get voted into the board...they basically got rid of board members that supported the other guy, and recruite board members that supported the big guy.
 

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I apologise, PA1870, Macca19 takes over your mantle as the most egomaniacal poster here!


Macca19, after whizzing through your numerous posts and sorting wheat from chaff, I would like to pick up on one point: the terms "sell-out" and "maximum attendance" are two different things. At most Crow games the sign "sell-out" appears on the gates. However, that doesn't mean "maximum attendance". For whatever reason, people who have bought a ticket don't show up. BUT "sell-out" means people can't get in, even if there are seats sitting vacant. The reason there aren't "live" TV broadcasts of Crows games (apart from Showdowns) is that the Club is pretty much against them, and often seats sell out later in the week, meaning arrangements can't be made at that stage, to show the game live.
 

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Originally posted by Crows.ok:
Crows have sold out Footy Park to maximum capacity from day 1. Next year, Footy Park capacity will increase by 7000. Of that increase, 2000 must be made available to general admission, leaving 5000 extra seats available for memberships & season tickets.

If you like facts to be introduced, why not introduce them? But stick to facts, not some vague fantasy about a decline in Crows support, when it has just gone UP by 12%, and constrained at that.
You need to live by your own rules. Crows attendances have dropped off quite a fair amount since 1998. Sure all your memberships may be sold to the mx, hence the need for a waiting list, but thats no good if only 75% of them are gonna go is it?? There has only been a few sell outs in history (therefore the games being shown live on tele), i dont remember every crow game being shown live?? do you?? So you bloody should have a waiting list and more supporters than port...if the crows didnt have more supporters than us, id be bloody worried myself as you have 9 SANFL clubs worth of supporters compared to one...so realistically the support is 9 to 1.
But anyway, get YOUR facts right as well!!
 
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