Crows Trade Thread

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by ant
Stiffy, you make it sound like I bag all our young players!

Well not all of them but most of them. You look for negatives in most of our youngsters

I still think Hentschel is a VERY good player in the making. If he can have a full pre-season and put on some muscle he will get a few games under his belt in 2004

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by ant
Reidy, Ayresy and Co, don't be afraid to trade! Any good offers, jump at them!

Ant I tend to agree, but perhaps for different reasons to you. We may get an offer for 1 of these players that is too good to refuse & allow us to either pick up another quality player we need (eg. ruckman) or an early pick. We should not completely close our minds. I have serious doubts about Bock being a KPP, so I would trade him as we have plenty of his (flanker) type. Hentschel & Rutten on the hand would need a very good offer ... but anything is possible. We should not trade both though.

** waits for abuse **

 

[ant]

It's all about improving the list, in both the short-term and long-term. If we can do that by trading any of these players, we should.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by ant
It's all about improving the list, in both the short-term and long-term. If we can do that by trading any of these players, we should.

I agree & that may mean trading a valuable player, who has more perceived value at another club.

 

[Stiffy_18]

If we trade Hentschel I burn down AFC

It would have to be a bloody good deal for us to trade these blokes as this years draft is VERY thin on talls and by all reports so its the next year's draft.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
If we trade Hentschel I burn down AFC

It would have to be a bloody good deal for us to trade these blokes as this years draft is VERY thin on talls and by all reports so its the next year's draft.

I agree with you Stiffy, which is why I said it would have to be a very good deal. What if we were offered a top-5 pick (bloody unlikely I know)?

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
I agree with you Stiffy, which is why I said it would have to be a very good deal. What if we were offered a top-5 pick (bloody unlikely I know)?

If it was that pick you would take it but that deal is as real as fake t|ts

KEEP HENTSCHEL

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
If it was that pick you would take it but that deal is as real as fake t|ts

KEEP HENTSCHEL

Stranger things have happened.

What if the Dees miss out on Holland & are looking for a good young KPP offer us their #5 pick for Hentschel & Doughty/Bode?

Sure, it isn't very likely to happen, but who was to say that the Saints would go after Brooks in a big way last year.

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
If we trade Hentschel I burn down AFC

It would have to be a bloody good deal for us to trade these blokes as this years draft is VERY thin on talls and by all reports so its the next year's draft.

I'm with you on Hentschel, Stiffy - after all we are the 2 members of the official "I believe in Hentschel club"

Any offer for Rutten and Bock that significantly improved our list or draft position would seriously have to be considered IMO. But only one of them, not both.

Because of the lack of talls in the draft, we just might get over value for them.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Stranger things have happened.

What if the Dees miss out on Holland & are looking for a good young KPP offer us their #5 pick for Hentschel & Doughty/Bode?

Sure, it isn't very likely to happen, but who was to say that the Saints would go after Brooks in a big way last year.

Dude, I can tell you straight away that Demons would rather give Richmond Pick 20 for Holland than give us Pick 5 for Hentschel + Bode/Doughty.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by macca23
I'm with you on Hentschel, Stiffy - after all we are the 2 members of the official "I believe in Hentschel club"

Any offer for Rutten and Bock that significantly improved our list or draft position would seriously have to be considered IMO. But only one of them, not both.

Because of the lack of talls in the draft, we just might get over value for them.

I knew you would come to my rescue. I have been a lone hand in this battle

I agree with you. I wouldn't trade Hentschel but I would consider offers for the other 2. But even then it would have to be a very good deal for us.

Lets face it we need tals and there is no point in trading our talls if we cannot get better talls in return.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Dude, I can tell you straight away that Demons would rather give Richmond Pick 20 for Holland than give us Pick 5 for Hentschel + Bode/Doughty.

Stiffy, yes I realise that this trade is very, very unlikely to ever happen, but just giving you an (albeit unrealistic) example of where we may get an offer that is too good to refuse for one of our younger players. We shouldn't close our door to any possibility.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Stiffy, yes I realise that this trade is very, very unlikely to ever happen, but just giving you an (albeit unrealistic) example of where we may get an offer that is too good to refuse for one of our younger players. We shouldn't close our door to any possibility.

No question I would consider it

and I would trade Hentschel in that deal

 

[macca23]

I have to say this though. I really wish that they would pull their fingers out and get the major trades done.

If they don't I can see them lingering right to the death knock on Friday, which will prevent a myriad of smaller trades taking place - and it's in this category that the smart teams can pick up a bargain.

That would really sh*t me if that happened.

 

[Jerome]

Originally posted by macca23
I have to say this though. I really wish that they would pull their fingers out and get the major trades done.

If they don't I can see them lingering right to the death knock on Friday, which will prevent a myriad of smaller trades taking place - and it's in this category that the smart teams can pick up a bargain.

That would really sh*t me if that happened.

I agree and the fact that the Crows staff have come back to SA could be a bit of a worry. I would have stayed in Melbourne no matter what, so that if something comes up we are onto it ASAP.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by macca23
I have to say this though. I really wish that they would pull their fingers out and get the major trades done.

If they don't I can see them lingering right to the death knock on Friday, which will prevent a myriad of smaller trades taking place - and it's in this category that the smart teams can pick up a bargain.

That would really sh*t me if that happened.

Thats my worry. These big trades will drag out and we will miss out.

Its a bit unusual that no delas have been done in first 2 days. Hopefully someone gets the bloody ball rolling tommorrow

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Jerome
I agree and the fact that the Crows staff have come back to SA could be a bit of a worry. I would have stayed in Melbourne no matter what, so that if something comes up we are onto it ASAP.

Dude we came back last year at the end of day one. We then hard a conference call with Kangas and Tigers and got the Carey deal stitched up that night and made it official the next morning.

We also stayed in Adelaide for the rest of the week and did Burns trade via phone and fax Machine.

The fact that they came back doesn't worry me one bit

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18

The fact that they came back doesn't worry me one bit

No, their return doesn't worry me either Stiffy.

It's the lack of any bloody action at all that does!!

 

[DaveW]

Originally posted by Jerome
Channel 7 reports that Dogga is up for trade but more interest has been shown to Bock, Hentschel and Rutten.

I would highly doubt we've been offered anything more than peanuts for these three.

Remember they all came via the pre-season or rookie draft. Which I assume means they were overlooked in the 2001 national draft.

They've done nothing in the two years since they would've significantly increased their value.

#5 pick? Get off the drugs, Kane.

And Crow-mosone: Hawthorn gave up a first round pick for an aging ruckman who had had three knee reconstructions. Why then is it so surprising that they'd enquire about an experienced, reliable defender, who is a similar age to what Rehn was, but has a much better history with injuries?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by DaveW
I would highly doubt we've been offered anything more than peanuts for these three.

Remember they all came via the pre-season or rookie draft. Which I assume means they were overlooked in the 2001 national draft.

They've done nothing in the two years since they would've significantly increased their value.

#5 pick? Get off the drugs, Kane.

Dave - Rutten, Hentschel & Bock are likely to command more value than Bode, Doughty, Gallagher & Marsh. The issue I began discussing is that we should keep our options open to trading these guys (not all though), as we may be given an offer to good to refuse (ie. more than they are worth to us).

If you had read all my posts, the #5 pick was just an example for Stiffy (albeit an unrealistic one) to demonstrate that another Brooks like offer could come out of the blue. I certainly wasn't suggesting it would happen (in fact said it was bloody unlikely). I don't need drugs mate as alcohol does me fine!

 

[DaveW]

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Dave - Rutten, Hentschel & Bock are likely to command more value than Bode, Doughty, Gallagher & Marsh.

Bode at least would be ahead of that trio.

Like I said in my other post, why would teams be prepared to use picks on these guys now but not two years ago?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by DaveW
Bode at least would be ahead of that trio.

Like I said in my other post, why would teams be prepared to use picks on these guys now but not two years ago?

IMO, Hentschel & Rutten as young KPP would be worth more in a trade that a midfielder like Bode. I agree with you with Bock though.

 

[Jerome]

from afc.com.au

Crows in holding pattern
Matt Burgan
afl.com.au
2:44:30 PM Wed 15 October, 2003

Adelaide is adopting a wait-and-see approach to this week’s exchange period with the club likely to be involved in trades only when several higher profile players are landed by rival clubs.

Recruiting manager James Fantasia indicated that the Crows would be quieter this year, as compared to 2002 when they landed Wayne Carey, Ronnie Burns and Jason Torney during the trade period.

“We’re pretty relaxed to be honest. We’ve got a few options," Fantasia told afl.com.au on Wednesday.

"There’s a couple of guys that we’ve showed some interest in and we’ve had a few guys show some interest in our blokes, but none of them match up at this stage."

“Like you’ll find with many of these things, other clubs that you’re dealing with are tending to wait because they’re tied up somewhere in these other deals," he said.

"So they try and get their priorities out of the way first. We’re pretty quiet. I’ve done the ring around this morning and it seems like there’s still a few stand-offs.”

“(There’s) some irons in the fire, but they’re back in the picking order of the trading period."

 

[Crow-mosone]

Originally posted by DaveW

And Crow-mosone: Hawthorn gave up a first round pick for an aging ruckman who had had three knee reconstructions. Why then is it so surprising that they'd enquire about an experienced, reliable defender, who is a similar age to what Rehn was, but has a much better history with injuries?

fair question, let me respond:

Rehn was 28 or so, who wanted out. they hoped to turn him into a Salmon like success story, by recruiting a former champion who had grown stale at his own club. Rehn wanted out, and drove that bus. Hawthorn desperately needed a ruckman at that time.

No one is desperate for a 30 year old, who doesn't want to move, plays as a mid sized defender, is worth more to his current club than to any he could be traded for.

Ben Hart means a lot to the AFC, symbolically and as a player. He is happy, doesn't want to move, and is very much needed by his club. Ben Hart is as likely to move as Nathan Buckley. No one has seriously asked about Buckley this trading period either.

Hart will be our first 300 game player.
His age means that he does not improve the prospects for any team, when weighed up against his age.

Wanted players at his age do not get traded, only ones who have gotten stale, asked for too much cash, or worn out their welcome. Schwass, Paul Williams, Paul Salmon, Shaun Rehn all come to mind recently.

A team will not waste it's time asking about clun stalwarts, do you think anyone asked about mcleod or Ricciuto? if a club is fishing, they will assess a club's strengths, see if there is any excess, and make a pitch for someone that the club had not thought of trading, but they might be able to do with out for the right deal. Mal Michael probably fits that criteria, with AFC asking.
usually rejected, but sometimes a surprise happens.

AFC is trying to replace Nigel Smart, is in dispute with Nathan Basset, and generally lacks tall options in defence. Who in their right mind went fishing for a 30 year old, club stalwart who is needed, and doesn't want to move?

answer: no farking one.
Besides John Hook said in the Rawlings deal that, Hawthorn is not interested in bringing in any player over the age of 26, to that football club.

 

[spindoctor]

Hart would never leave. Though I doubt Hawthorn would knock back an offer by the Crows to let him go...Hart is one of the most consistently reliable players in the competition.