Cummins Overrated?

[Topkent]

What a ridiculous thread. He missed 5 years of ****ing cricket and within 12 months he's already in the top 4 fast bowlers in oz cricket.
This has also been the worst wickets in a home series ever.

 

[Gethelred]

Such a childish response. Can't even debate without throwing a tantrum.

Cherry picking helps no one, but us actual intellectuals don't cherry pick or respond to attention seekers

You've done everything you list in that post in this thread.

Except behave like an intellectual, so there's something I suppose.

 

[Bigelow]

doesn't seem right. Starc gets 1m+ just from his CA deal. Watto makes sense since he was on almost 2m from the IPL.

It was a surprise to read it, in last weekends Fin Reveiw.

 

[Underdog]

I agree with the OP to an extent. He's treated like a superstar, but at the moment he's merely an adequate 3rd choice paceman in the side. I'm sure he's going to improve, but he's not there yet.

 

[Gethelred]

I agree with the OP to an extent. He's treated like a superstar, but at the moment he's merely an adequate 3rd choice paceman in the side. I'm sure he's going to improve, but he's not there yet.

Is he treated like a superstar?

For me, it's his potential that stands out, as he's demonstrated across what limited exposure he's had in tests, ODI's and T20 that he's got more than just pace. He bowls intelligently in ODI's, with slower balls and cutters. This series, he's been a bit one dimensional, but again, he's a third quick.

I'm just not sure why some in here are demanding that he outbowl Starc and Hazlewood.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Is he treated like a superstar?

For me, it's his potential that stands out, as he's demonstrated across what limited exposure he's had in tests, ODI's and T20 that he's got more than just pace. He bowls intelligently in ODI's, with slower balls and cutters. This series, he's been a bit one dimensional, but again, he's a third quick.

I'm just not sure why some in here are demanding that he outbowl Starc and Hazlewood.

So that's why his odi record is near Shane Watson?

 

[Gethelred]

So that's why his odi record is near Shane Watson?

Shane Watson was a great player in ODI's. Not sure what your point is here, or even if you have one.

And I'm going to bring your mind back to something you said earlier in this thread:

Yes, all those tail end wickets are the show of a real quality bowler.

Tailend (#'s 8 to 11) wickets as percentage of total wickets
McGrath - 25%
Marshall - 26%
Cummins - 27%
Hazelwood - 27%
Rabada - 28%
Pollock - 29%
Starc - 29%
Boult - 29%
Hadlee - 29%
Steyn - 31%
Murali - 32%
Wasim Akram - 35%
Warne - 37%

Drunk on self loathing again Brades.

Relevance to the MCG test on which you quoted me? Very childish.

The Passenger was more relevant than you're being here. You had a go at Cummins for the amount of tail enders he gets out, so he refuted that with statistics.

So, to finish, I'm just going to ask you what you asked him: what's the relevance of Shane Watson to what I said?

 

[gbatman]

He's a bit underwhelming but he hasn't had the new ball and the pitches have been hard work for bowlers. He's lacking a bit, for someone who is meant to be quick he's not that quick and doesn't get real vicious bounce that often. Can't comment on his ball movement as no one has. He's been ok. Good with the bat.

He can hopefully get fitter and better as Starc did.

 

[Sanguinarius]

24 year old pace bowler with an injury interrupted career isn't the best bowler in the country?

Huh, who knew...

 

[Pykie]

I would've liked to have seen him with the new ball consistently in Melbourne.

 

[t_94]

Pretty good sign for the future if people are underwhelmed with his performance and he's got 17 wickets at 28. This is only his 10th test and has missed the most of the last 6 years as well.

 

[Donakebab]

 

[Gethelred]

In before Bradesmaen calls it the worst 4 for in history.

 

[Cmarsh]

Not bad for a 3rd seamer.

 

[legend166]

If you need to know whether a young player will have a good career, just check whether Bradesmaen likes them or not. It'll give you your answer.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

He's getting criticised for bowling short all the time but the wickets are so flat they almost force quicks bowlers into it

The bouncer is really the last weapon left.

 

[Gethelred]

He's getting criticised for bowling short all the time but the wickets are so flat they almost force quicks bowlers into it

The bouncer is really the last weapon left.

I don't know.

Perth, the shorter ball was the only weapon available as the full ones went for 4 straight off the bat; you had to bowl a good length or shorter to get anywhere. In Adelaide, the ball hooped when you got the length right, and a cross seam delivery held up a bit in the surface, creating subtle variations in pace. Brisbane was placid, but it's been that way for years and ditto Melbourne, although both captain's reluctance to set attacking fields over defensive ones to try and encourage false shots lead to the draw as much as the pitch did.

Bit of spin out there today, and Anderson was getting the thing to reverse quite sharply late in the day. It's really cause Root's a negative bastard that Anderson/Broad haven't been as effective as they could've been today; overbowled the spinners, instead of operating a spinner and a quick, alternating attacking and defensive fields and attacking and defending at alternates with pace and spin, try and catch the batsman out on a true surface.

Anyway, Cummins bouncer isn't his best ball. The bloke can swing the thing, and he can bowl the cutters that makes Broad a quality bowler; the coaching and the direction ATM is bouncers. Will waste his talent if they don't correct this, and we'll get thumped in SA if we don't change our lengths. Might get a few lucky wickets if the pitches are conducive to fast bowling, but I don't fancy our chances against Rabada and Steyn on a quick deck.

 

[frankrizzo]

He's done a very good job as the third quick, has to be remembered his figures really didn't reflect his bowling early in the series where he and Lyon were clearly the best of the bunch.

 

[Bradesmaen]

If you need to know whether a young player will have a good career, just check whether Bradesmaen likes them or not. It'll give you your answer.

Hows that Mitch Marsh going, or Muirhead, or Boyce?

 

[melanChronic]

He's getting criticised for bowling short all the time but the wickets are so flat they almost force quicks bowlers into it

The bouncer is really the last weapon left.

I agree with you, but it's just so obviously more effective if it isn't bowled 4 or 5 balls out of 6. Maybe surprise a batsman when they have been sweating on their off stump for a few overs? As a stock ball you'll eventually nail the killer one through sheer weight of trying but you'll also go at 5 RPO before you ping em.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I agree with you, but it's just so obviously more effective if it isn't bowled 4 or 5 balls out of 6. Maybe surprise a batsman when they have been sweating on their off stump for a few overs? As a stock ball you'll eventually nail the killer one through sheer weight of trying but you'll also go at 5 RPO before you ping em.

The English tailenders would all like it if they received fewer short balls which I assume is why we're doing it

Sure they've had a couple of partnerships in the last two tests on the most docile of pitches but the damage has been done.

Their tail has been utterly destroyed, humiliated and emasculated this series which went a long way towards winning us the Ashes. Hard to criticise the tactic.

 

[davis_756]

And doesn't live off bananas

Siddle was 10km faster before he went on that stupid banana diet, really killed his career.

 

[Neese]

Bumping this to lol at the OP. Muppet

 

[Gethelred]

Well, this is awkward...

 

[Damon_3388]

Just the leading wicket-taker for either side in an Ashes series. No big deal.