Strategy Curtin's role in 2025?

[1990crow]

Welcome back Sanders.

What?

 

[Mr_Moogle]

What?

Just a joke. The exit clause was one of Sanders theories. He thought Nicks was going to get sacked at the end of last year because there would be some kind of exit clause.

I may be wrong but I think 12 months of Nicks's remaining two years shouldn't come off our soft cap if he gets sacked early. We probably don't need a clause now anyway. It would be nice but it's not like our hands are tied.

 

[1990crow]

Just a joke. The exit clause was one of Sanders theories. He thought Nicks was going to get sacked at the end of last year because there would be some kind of exit clause.

I may be wrong but I think 12 months of Nicks's remaining two years shouldn't come off our soft cap if he gets sacked early. We probably don't need a clause now anyway. It would be nice but it's not like our hands are tied.

I think there's an AFL wide rule around 6 month pay outs for the last year of a contract but I could be wrong.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

I think there's an AFL wide rule around 6 month pay outs for the last year of a contract but I could be wrong.

I thought it was 12. Hmmm. That does make it shitty if we want to hire from outside and Davis isn't the guy.

 

[1990crow]

I thought it was 12. Hmmm. That does make it shitty if we want to hire from outside and Davis isn't the guy.

Google suggests it changed from 6 months to 12 months about 2 years ago.

 

[FR0GGY]

Google suggests it changed from 6 months to 12 months about 2 years ago.

*Mathew Nicks likes this

 

[AFC979810]

The only positive is that as a club we have a way of not sacking coaches, but instead they decide to leave. Ayres, Craig, Pyke.... and hopefully we can add one more to this list.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I am worried about Curtin. Most gun players don't sit on the fringes of the team in their second year unless they are kpp.

And Curtin obviously isn't a kpp.

He's only played 1 year of football.

Looks a huge talent & bit early to get worried.

It's not like he is giving McAsey vibes.

 

[Mutineer]

There really aren't a lot of examples of players with a similar physical profile to Curtin you can use as a comparison. Just Cripps and Bont really. Players his size mostly play key position roles and take a while to develop, and you can look through recent drafts at guys his height who went as high picks and see mostly they don't have a big impact for a couple of years.

For taller guys who do play midfield you've got some lower picks like Dawson who only played 5 games in his first 3 seasons. Curtin being a high draft pick is a somewhat different case but again, he's 197cm, and played his pre-draft football as a KPD.

That Hawks tall mid isn't too shabby either.

 

[Coopers]

The only positive is that as a club we have a way of not sacking coaches, but instead they decide to leave. Ayres, Craig, Pyke.... and hopefully we can add one more to this list.

I'm fairly sure that in all of those cases the club is letting/encouraging them to resign on their own terms, so we don't have to go through the whole media circus of sacking a coach.

 

[AFC979810]

I'm fairly sure that in all of those cases the club is letting/encouraging them to resign on their own terms, so we don't have to go through the whole media circus of sacking a coach.

Thats the point and what I am hoping happens for Nicksy.

 

[AFC979810]

That Hawks tall mid isn't too shabby either.

Nash is the closest build wise to Curtin of players that play midfield. Tough to compare him though because he is an Irish recruit - so did he take an extra long time to develop because of that. He was drafted in 2016 and got his first real taste of midfield in late 2021.

Curtin is gonna take time.

 

[Cleric]

Yesterday's game showed what I was worried about with Curtin.
With an undefined role that leaves him making little impact he is likely to get dropped sooner rather than later, especially if the club needs to bring in a small defender like Bond for a team with more small forwards.

I fear he is going to stagnate.

 

[Rix31]

Hopefully he gets more chances in the middle over the next couple of weeks. Should help him find the ball a bit more. It will be hard playing fourth fiddle behind fog, thilthorpe and tex.

He is the one I'm most excited for though. Broke a tackle and took a nice grab yesterday.

 

[Cleric]

Hopefully he gets more chances in the middle over the next couple of weeks. Should help him find the ball a bit more. It will be hard playing fourth fiddle behind fog, thilthorpe and tex.

He is the one I'm most excited for though. Broke a tackle and took a nice grab yesterday.

I don't see a spot for him in the midfield, and at this point in his development he would be a step back when we have Dawson, Soligo, Draper, Rankine, Peatling and co going through there.

 

[MrBarry]

Yesterday's game showed what I was worried about with Curtin.
With an undefined role that leaves him making little impact he is likely to get dropped sooner rather than later, especially if the club needs to bring in a small defender like Bond for a team with more small forwards.

I fear he is going to stagnate.

Did a couple of really nice things yesterday. When walker leaves, which will be essentially end of this year, he takes his spot. As a result of that we need to fast track him as much as possible.

 

[Golumless]

Did a couple of really nice things yesterday. When walker leaves, which will be essentially end of this year, he takes his spot. As a result of that we need to fast track him as much as possible.

At that point though the best move would just be to treat Curtin as sunk cost, and trade whilst he still has value to a Western Australian team -- especially with expansion drafts on the horizon. Once you're on a third tall development track, you're starting to specialise away from a midfield role, and Adelaide does not need much in the third tall role. Just someone who is happy to sit here on a low salary and be a decoy for TT and Fog.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Did a couple of really nice things yesterday. When walker leaves, which will be essentially end of this year, he takes his spot. As a result of that we need to fast track him as much as possible.

He did plenty of gut running yesterday. We can use him in the Lynch type role between HF & wing. Then deeper when Tex isn't playing.

He's very classy. We just need to get games into him & he will find the ball more.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

At that point though the best move would just be to treat Curtin as sunk cost, and trade whilst he still has value to a Western Australian team -- especially with expansion drafts on the horizon. Once you're on a third tall development track, you're starting to specialise away from a midfield role, and Adelaide does not need much in the third tall role. Just someone who is happy to sit here on a low salary and be a decoy for TT and Fog.

Curtin a sunk cost?

Come on, he's only just starting his 2nd season after 1st one was injury interrupted.

Geez, a little patience!

 

[Golumless]

Curtin a sunk cost?

Come on, he's only just starting his 2nd season after 1st one was injury interrupted.

Geez, a little patience!

Curtin is a sunk cost if - and only if - we are going to use him as a third tall.

That sunk cost has nothing to do with Curtin as a player, and entirety to do with Adelaide's list. After all, we've invested heavily into a Thilthorpe/Fogarty pairing, and have no room for a third tall to do anything more than be a big body and decoy. Equally, once you're on a third tall track, you're not developing into a midfielder. This weird hybrid-role at least keeps midfield/wing alive and whilst that's alive, Curtin is valuable enough to us to be worth paying to keep him.

If we view Curtin as Tex's replacement, the single best thing we can do is trade him whilst he has some semblance of value. Third tall here is going to kill that pretty damn quickly.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Curtin is a sunk cost if - and only if - we are going to use him as a third tall.

That sunk cost has nothing to do with Curtin as a player, it's to do with Adelaide's list.

Was Lynch a sunk cost?

I'm comfortable with him being a very handy 3rd tall behind Thilthorpe & Fogarty.

 

[MrBarry]

Curtin is a sunk cost if - and only if - we are going to use him as a third tall.

That sunk cost has nothing to do with Curtin as a player, and entirety to do with Adelaide's list. After all, we've invested heavily into a Thilthorpe/Fogarty pairing, and have no room for a third tall to do anything more than be a big body and decoy. Equally, once you're on a third tall track, you're not developing into a midfielder. This weird hybrid-role at least keeps midfield/wing alive and whilst that's alive, Curtin is valuable enough to us to be worth paying to keep him.

If we view Curtin as Tex's replacement, the single best thing we can do is trade him to West Coast and reroll for a midfielder.

You need 3 quality talls to win a premiership in the forward line imo. We also have the added benefit in that he can also do damage in other parts of the ground.

Absurd to rule him out as sunk cost

 

[baldandbroke]

Curtin a sunk cost?

Come on, he's only just starting his 2nd season after 1st one was injury interrupted.

Geez, a little patience!

Big guys take longer.

 

[FR0GGY]

Big guys take longer.

 

[CDC60]

Curtin is not Tex's replacement. He's Jordan Dawson Mark 2. JD thinks that and it's pretty obvious that he'll be a big bodied midfielder. He's powerful, explosive and has a killer left foot. Wouldn't be shocked if he's a future captain. This thread reminds me of discussions 15 years ago, around whether Tex would make it at AFL level, when it was obvious he was a rare talent with leadership capabilities