List Mgmt. Cutting the list to 35 players

[left at home]

Why not just pay athletes based on how much money they generate?

You know perfectly well that not possible, and never will be in a country with the population we have, not sustainable

 

[Kappa]

You know perfectly well that not possible, and never will be in a country with the population we have, not sustainable

Why not? AFLW should charge for their own TV rights and charge for attendances/membership and all that money should go to the AFLW players at the same % as the male players get

 

[magpies42]

Nah, what the sacrifice, it’s there job.do everyone does what ever it takes, and yes rookies are not paid hugely, but still what 18year old gets paid what they do. If they fail, most move on quickly like others have to do,
And if they don’t make it, at least they have money behind them. Most do not.
As for the market it’s only the great tv deals that the afl got, that has the clubs who would have no money to spend ridiculous amounts on free agents.
No game no market, no silliness in pay.
As for the women’s game, have the market is women, bet they will like it when they are thrown away, and l bet they will make sure their sons play a different sport.
At the end of the day, there are four major winter sports with a small population, it is not sustainable the way it was going.

Just because half the market is female doesn’t mean they prefer to watch AFLW. It’s the same with tennis, both women and men prefer to watch men’s tennis. It’s diabolical that they get paid the same for half the work. Not to mention the quality of the game.

 

[pablo disco bar]

Finally schaz can be cut

 

[sr36]

All the talk of Josh Thomas potentially being cut - he's a regular first 22 team member and reliably gets on the park.
He's not Jordan DeGoey for impact, but he's a pretty reliable crumber and shot for goal.
It's a pretty laughable suggestion to list him as a risk of being cut for mine.

It depends on the how you want to structure your list. I'd be looking at a core of 15 + 10 development + 10 durable versatile role players. He might make it as one of the guys in the last category, but he may miss out.

 

[Albert Parker]

It depends on the how you want to structure your list. I'd be looking at a core of 15 + 10 development + 10 durable versatile role players. He might make it as one of the guys in the last category, but he may miss out.

That's way too speculative a mix in a reduced list scenario. More like your perceived absolute best 25, with 5 development and 5 versatile role players. It's simply a nonsense that in an environment with only 35 on your list that you'd consider leaving off a current best 22 player and someone who has played forward as well as the odd rotation in the midfield. He's also proven durable (48 games in the past 2 seasons), kicked 60 goals in the that time and at 28 years has plenty of football left in him.

 

[sr36]

That's way too speculative a mix in a reduced list scenario. More like your perceived absolute best 25, with 5 development and 5 versatile role players. It's simply a nonsense that in an environment with only 35 on your list that you'd consider leaving off a current best 22 player and someone who has played forward as well as the odd rotation in the midfield. He's also proven durable (48 games in the past 2 seasons), kicked 60 goals in the that time and at 28 years has plenty of football left in him.

Depending on whether you have to keep contractwd blokes, i think it'll be pretty easy to trim to 35 and Thomas will be safe. But if you have to keep contracted blokes, i think you'd be shooting yourself in the foot if you kept a guy like Thomas over a kid like Quaynor, so I don't think a 28 year old role player who was a borderline selection last year would consider himself safe.

 

[jathanas]

AFL planning a long-term overhaul of the game

The AFL is planning a long-term overhaul of the game, and not just for the next two seasons, to deal with “the new economy”.

www.theage.com.au

The AFL is planning a long-term overhaul of the game and not just remedies for the next two seasons as it deals with “the new economy” of football.

The AFL has asked clubs for detailed feedback on the way club structures and pathways could be completely re-set.


On Thursday night the AFL sent a document to all clubs titled “Future AFL Competition”, asking for their views on a range of key areas.

AFL chief executive Gill McLachlan said on Thursday that two working parties were working on football: the first with the mechanics of getting games played again this year; the second with addressing how the game would look in 2021 and 2022.

The document makes clear that the AFL’s plan for the future of football is not limited to short-term measures over the next two years to help deal with lost revenues and higher debt levels in the game but also for a broader sweep of long-term structural changes.

The AFL asks clubs to take a blank-canvas approach to draw up a new football structure within the parameters of a new football economy that takes into account the devastating impact on revenues of the coronavirus.

The term "new economy" is short-hand for cheaper because the game can no longer fund things the way they have done.

The first focus of the plan was to overhaul list sizes. The AFL asks clubs for their preferred list size, what mechanisms they would use for player movement and requests other club innovations on list- size management or composition.

Clubs expect that lists next year will be cut to below 40 and the rookie list is doubtful to be retained, or at least not in its current form.

The issue of list sizes is intrinsically linked to the issue of second-tier competitions and in particular the VFL and how that could operate as a feeder competition in the event that lists were cut and top-up players had to be accessed by clubs.

Clubs have been asked if they could change the structure of football programs to reduce the hours players are needed at clubs.

“What are the minimum weekly hours required to prepare players to play? Does list size impact these outcomes?” the document says.

Part of this is about player mental health and improving work-life balance, but it is also predicated on a cut to the soft cap, meaning a cut in the number of assistant coaches and allied staff. With fewer coaches and a smaller list how long do you need the players for?

There is also doubt on the future of the next generation academies. The AFL asks for club views on the level of club investment in junior talent in the new economy.

They have also been asked for feedback on lifting the draft age and also about making the talent-pathway program an under-19 competition rather than under-18 but with the draft age remaining the same.

With list sizes reduced, fewer players would be likely to be drafted as 18-year-olds in any event.

“What is the best model for a player across school football, community football and talent pathway programs?” the document asks.

The document finishes by asking for industry priorities for the next five to 10 years and asking what the three most important things are for the industry now and over the next five and 10 years.

 

[BEEG]

Will that be 9 from the main list? Not sure how it works will salary caps come down and you need to delist the 9 to come under the cap?

 

[sr36]

Not sure why you need to reduce list sizes - just reduce salaries in all parts of the AFL.

 

[Jen2310]

Not sure why you need to reduce list sizes - just reduce salaries in all parts of the AFL.

nobody on more than 800k.

 

[sr36]

nobody on more than 800k.

That is a cut from where the current top salaries are, but its been a joke for a long time. 800,000 a year for a part time job is absolutely ridiculous money. Its crazy that that us a cut.

I'm actually furious that the AFL is trying to protect the privileged salaries of the select few. Just cut every salary in at least half and keep it that way as long as needed to keep everyone in a job.

 

[Covidwood]

Gun to my head, 35 and no more.

Noble Roughead Howe
Crisp Moore Maynard

Grundy Treloar Adams
Phillips Pendles Mayne

De Goey Mihocek Elliott
Sidebottom Cox Stephenson

Interchange
WHE Thomas C Brown Langdon?


McInnes* Daicos Quaynor Keane T Brown Rantall Cameron Murphy Bianco Ruscoe Wilson Kelly Sier?

A couple of iffies to boot.