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Grockadoc said:
IF, and this is all hypothetical of course, a trolley was missing, it could have been assumed it just fell out as the aft door was opened. And if it was assumed as such, it could have been deemed inconsequential by the FBI, and as a result, not released to the media/public, or even reported.
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I'm not trying to totally poo poo your suggestion. But it would have been a very bad omission if the FBI hadn't noticed or been made aware a trolley was missing. Equally if one was found to be missing, I can't believe no mention would ever have been made of it.

It is a great left field suggestion though, and if Robert Blevins (author of Into The Blast) should ever return here I'd be interested in hearing his opinion of your trolley theory :thumbsu:
 
Dan Cooper said:
I'm not trying to totally poo poo your suggestion. But it would have been a very bad omission if the FBI hadn't noticed or been made aware a trolley was missing. Equally if one was found to be missing, I can't believe no mention would ever have been made of it.

It is a great left field suggestion though, and if Robert Blevins (author of Into The Blast) should ever return here I'd be interested in hearing his opinion of your trolley theory :thumbsu:
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Yeah I know :thumbsu: I appreciate the feedback. It took them 20 years to release the tie/tie clip, so it wouldn't surprise me if there was a missing items checklist at FBI HQ that hasn't been released.
 
the fly said:
If a trolley (or something similar) had been dropped out of the aft door, and he jumped later, you would expect a second pressure dump.
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Not to mention the noise it would have made. The stairs when open during flight didn't remain in the down position. If a trolley was pushed out it would have made a hell of a clunk down the stairs.
 

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RobertMBlevins said:
Hi, I decided to register and make a comment (or answer questions) on this thread. Yes, I'm the same Robert who co-wrote the book on Christiansen...
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Was hoping we'd get more than 3 posts out of you Robert. I did enjoy your book for what its worth.
 
Dan Cooper said:
Was hoping we'd get more than 3 posts out of you Robert. I did enjoy your book for what its worth.
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Sorry about that. I have been busy working on the investigation into Kenny Christiansen as the possible skyjacker. There have been two developments. First, I have created a confidential 74-page report (with images and documents) that will be submitted in person to the Seattle FBI before the end of July (2015). Second, I recently traveled far into the Olympic Mountains of Washington State, mostly for privacy, and created a video laying out the evidence against Christiansen. That video is shown below. You can also download a condensed version of the evidence on the DB Cooper Info Page at Adventure Books of Seattle dot com. The preview image you see for the video is a post-production photo of yours truly with Scott Rolle, Buddy Levy, and Christine McKinley from the History Channel program, Brad Meltzer's Decoded.

Video:
 
Dan Cooper said:
I'm not trying to totally poo poo your suggestion. But it would have been a very bad omission if the FBI hadn't noticed or been made aware a trolley was missing. Equally if one was found to be missing, I can't believe no mention would ever have been made of it.

It is a great left field suggestion though, and if Robert Blevins (author of Into The Blast) should ever return here I'd be interested in hearing his opinion of your trolley theory :thumbsu:
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Yeah,its a good mystery and story to be retold=D.B.Cooper.
But in all these so called "good books" and doco's,they dont go to a real expert and find out what kind of shoes should be worn for this jump{lace up boots the prefered option}as the wrong footwear gets ripped off your feet on leaving the plane,and then the stroll through the scrub wouldnt do much for the feet either.
BTW.the first 5 minutes of the video posted by the author were exhilerating.
 
van peebles said:
Yeah,its a good mystery and story to be retold=D.B.Cooper.
But in all these so called "good books" and doco's,they dont go to a real expert and find out what kind of shoes should be worn for this jump{lace up boots the prefered option}as the wrong footwear gets ripped off your feet on leaving the plane,and then the stroll through the scrub wouldnt do much for the feet either.
BTW.the first 5 minutes of the video posted by the author were exhilerating.
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Thank you. The book came out in December 2010. That was more than four years ago. And I know there are mistakes in it here and there and it doesn't present the best picture of the case against Christiansen. I have admitted that publicly quite a few times.

What really broke the case for us (we think) is when Bernie Geestman ('Mike Watson' in the book) appears on History Channel. He didn't bother to tell his family down in the Bonney Lake/Sumner, WA area that he was even going on television. So...some members of his family (since they knew Christiansen) caught the show when it first aired in January 2011. Geestman's niece, who has several children of her own now, was 13 years old at the time of the hijacking. She is the daughter of witness 'Dawn J,' (Dawn J. Androsko of Fox Island, WA...Bernie's sister)

She sees the show with some of her kids. She tells them Bernie is full of it because she knows that Bernie and Kenny were together the entire week of the hijacking. And not only that...but she tells them she walked in on Kenny Christiansen shortly before the hijacking and saw him wrapping red electrical tape around filled quarter-sized coin rolls, and then taping wires to these rolls. She says he was taping two of the coin rolls together at a time, to make one longer one.

Then...the family starts following the case. They watch the show again. They order the book. They order Geoff Gray's book Skyjack. About a year later, they contact me by email. They say they want to know more, and they want to see what I have. Eventually, I met with them at the Dairy Freeze restaurant down in Sumner, WA. I brought our initial report on Christiansen and Geestman. It was somewhat shorter than the one we're giving to the FBI next week. I listened to her story. At the time of the hiijacking, she and her three siblings, and her mother Dawn were living with the Geestmans' in Bonney Lake. This is because her mother Dawn was recently divorced and had nowhere to go, so she brought the family out from Minnesota and moved in with her brother.

About a year later (April 72) was when Kenny lent her the $5,000 to buy a house. Then the family moved out from the Geestmans' into their own home in Buckley, WA. I have sat and listened to this woman's story, and frankly, I believe her. She is a fairly ordinary sort and even though I encouraged the whole family to just go public, they still haven't done it. She says this:

"We'd rather wait until he (Geestman) is dead before saying anything..."

I told her the FBI might not accept that answer. She says she will talk to them if they come calling. I even did a sort of 'test' on them. I told them that maybe they should just call People Magazine and sell their story. They have not done so to date. Some of them seem embarrassed by the whole thing.

There is another site where a lot of discussion goes on about the case, and you can also download a condensed version of the evidence against Kenny, Margie and Bernie Geestman. It's here.
 
RobertMBlevins said:
I went to the Seattle FBI today to deliver the evidentiary package on Christiansen and the Geestmans'. It is here:

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Many thanks. Appreciate your contribution.
 
RobertMBlevins said:
I went to the Seattle FBI today to deliver the evidentiary package on Christiansen and the Geestmans'. It is here:
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Watched your doco and have started to take an interest in this case as a result.
Very well presented and you put forward compelling evidence. The picture comparison if very damning for me.
I often wonder if the authorities sometimes don't want to solve these crimes because the mystery surrounding them often is a bigger story than the finding guilty in someone that has already passed away.
Thanks for your contribution and for getting me interested in this story.
Please keep posting any further updates!
 
FBI not wanting to solve the Cooper case? That's been hinted about before, sure. And I have questioned Special Agent Fred Gutt (Seattle) about it. This is what he said: There is no longer a budget to investigate the Cooper case. That's the first thing. He said the Bureau still receives occasional tips on the case, which they look at and file away. They even have a case agent assigned in Seattle. The last time I heard it was still Curtis Eng, and before him it was Larry Carr. Carr was the guy who went on the radio and said the banks gave up the search for the ransom bills within 3-6 months after the hijacking. You can find that interview recorded still...at Wikipedia DB Cooper...just look for Carr's name at the bottom of the page under 'External Links'. Special Agent Curtis Eng is the case agent now, sure...but he has other responsibilities that outweigh a forty-plus year old case. One time I made a joke that anyone in the Seattle FBI office who gets assigned to the Cooper case must wonder what he did to deserve such a fate. Because in Cooperland, nuts sometimes do come out of the woodwork even today.

No, they would like to solve the case all right. And they don't just close cases because they don't solve them. For example, the Jimmy Hoffa case is Federal and it happened a bit before DB Cooper, and it is still open, too. But the FBI, without a budget to work the case anymore, is waiting for that smoking gun to drop into their laps before they will do anything further. All these people trying to get them to look at this uncle, or that nephew, or A Guy I Knew Who Looked Like Cooper...etc.
 

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Some interesting theories. I hadn't come across Kenny Christiansen before and he certainly has many attributes which would stand him in good stead as a suspect. Knowledge and ability.

Not too concerned with witness descriptions as they have found to be flawed over and over. I wonder if anyone showed photos of KC to the cabin staff ( if they were/are still alive). The idea of discounting KC because he had hazel eyes and the witnesses said his eyes were brown is laughable. Hazel is one eye colour that is changeable due to lighting etc.

I like the Reno idea and the trolley. But ultimately we are left with a statement which is either true or false. Did the FBI have enough time to notate the bills handed over? ie were the ''marked bills'' really marked?

If they were then with no recovery the Mt St Helena theory looks good. Imagine archaeologists in the 40th century dig up bones and detritus from a suitcase and parachute.
 
I just wish in a case like this after all these years we offer immunity to anyone involved - just to find out who it was. Silly I know.
 
Now, Charles Wesmoreland can rest in peace....

Love the D.B Cooper story. Has been a long time wish of mine to win lotto, retire young-ish, spend time investigating the case & then do a whole lot of hiking! Amazing that there has only been a few pieces of evidence recovered, whilst they can't recreate the weather conditions exactly you'd think they would have a good idea of a radius in which he would have landed. That tells me I think they know he landed & got away, rather than didn't survive the landing or the chute didn't open

Whoever he was, bravo
 

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ossie_21 said:
you'd think they would have a good idea of a radius in which he would have landed.
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Unfortunately the eruption of Mt St Helen's destroyed the area, although it was over 8 years later. The terrain in that entire area is incredibly dense, and many people think they were looking in the wrong area from the start
 
Based on the idea that you don't wash neck-ties often

The scientists, working for a group called Citizen Sleuths, said they have been analyzing particles found on a clip-on necktie that Cooper left on his seat — 18E — before jumping out of the plane.

To the naked eye, the piece of fabric was a nondescript black tie from J.C. Penney. But to the modern-day scientists, the tie was an “incredibly fortunate” piece of evidence in the investigation.

“A tie is one of the only articles of clothing that isn’t washed on a regular basis,” reads a section on the Citizen Sleuths website devoted solely to the tie. “It picks up dirt and grime just like any other piece of clothing, but that accumulation never truly gets ‘reset’ in the washing machine. Each of those particles comes from something and somewhere and can tell a story if the proper instruments like electron microscopes are used.”

Using a powerful electron microscope, the scientists say they have identified more than 100,000 particles of “rare earth elements” on the tie, including Cerium, Strontium sulfide and pure titanium, according to the Associated Press. Of those, titanium was the most notable.

Interesting variation. Now scroll through thousands and thousands of employee records and see who did not return to work or had a week or more off in that time period.
 

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