D4 D4 2010

[vafaeye]

There is a bit of what you can do i can do (better) - but in reality it';s great to see Div 4 getting some coverage.

Well Andrew we are all looking forward to the official response about
Mr G. Does he still have the private mirror & shower in the rooms?
Please tell us all more than, "It is an inside club case!" Interesting to see if he is on the teamsheet for the next few weeks OR will the club be as weak as usual?

THE EYE

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[vafaeye]

No.10 has a history for these type of incidents going back to when manningham were called Bulleen, he has returned after a couple of years in other leagues.
So they know exactly what he is like so don't feel sorry for Manningham, the ammos should be notified so they can eradicate these acts of thuggery.
Hope no players were seriously hurt.

Well Andrew we are all looking forward to the official response about
Mr G. Does he still have the private mirror & shower in the rooms?
Please tell us all more than, "It is an inside club case!" Interesting to see if he is on the teamsheet for the next few weeks OR will the club be as weak as usual?

THE EYE

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[TheAnalyser]

if it was as bad as all are sayin, the club should put in a report to the ammos. think everyones past the days of behind the play crap.

As a neutral supporter watching this game I was absolutely disgusted by the performance of #10. He clearly went "the fist" as soon as Mt. Lilydale got the upper hand in the game. It's disappointing that he was allowed to continue to play after such blatent misconduct. In my opinion, and from what I've read, the opinion of quite a few others, this kind of behaviour should not be accepted in any form of football. His shameful display has clearly hurt Manningham's reputation, which is disapppointing to a club who has clearly tried to improve. Unfortunately the umpires were "blindsighted" and couldn't take any action, and from my view it appeared that #10's actions were unsupported by his team-mates. It was a disgrace by Manningham that he continued to play the game as he only hurt their cause further. I truly hope the league and the club take some action before he ruins any chance of the clubs success...

 

[plugger28]

Ok. I'll bite.

VAFA Eye must be my mum - she is the only person to call me Andrew. I'll make sure to buy you a good present in a couple of weeks. So stop hiding behind your alias and tell us who you are and what you want for mothers day!

The Cobras played poorly - in fact they were not allowed to play well. Mt lilydale played really well - there pressure was great. But they are no angels. They have improved from last year and truly deserve their place on top of the ladder.

I am also wrapped to say that the response of the Mt Lilydale players (and the cobras as well) to our raffle was great. Im not sure how much we raised for Tags - but it was great to get the support for our first home game.

The one other comment I will make is about my role on a match day.

"Throughout the game foxtel....but obviously number 10 played for a specific reason as the coach and president did nothing to address this thug, yep they took no action so it was a tactical."

Other than doing some goal umpiring, organising, scoreboard, interchange steward, and a bit of handyman work - the last thing I need to do is interfere in the coaching of the team. So I am confused about what I could do during a match as was commented. I know there were a few comments from the Mt Lilydale coaches/bench about me - that's fine. Im a (very) big boy and can handle any crap you want to throw at me - but be realistic. I can't coach the team as well - it's just not my job.

 

[The Don]

Other than doing some goal umpiring, organising, scoreboard, interchange steward, and a bit of handyman work - the last thing I need to do is interfere in the coaching of the team. So I am confused about what I could do during a match as was commented. I know there were a few comments from the Mt Lilydale coaches/bench about me - that's fine. Im a (very) big boy and can handle any crap you want to throw at me - but be realistic. I can't coach the team as well - it's just not my job.

Your right you are not responsible for the game thats the coach's responsibility. He really let your club and his players down by not taking number 10 off after the first incident and he should not have come back onto the ground after the second. To leave him on after the third was bordering on a joke except players well being was being jepodised. His teammates were clearly embarrassed by number 10's actions.
The question for you plugger is what action your club- players, coaches and committee are going to take. At worst he should be asked to leave the club if thats not what you want your club to represent, at a minimum he should be internally suspended for at least a month, told that behaviour is not acceptable and if it happens again he will be asked to leave the club. If your club takes no action then you have endorsed his behaviour and you are all guilty by inaction. Footy has gone beyond thugs playing this game. We all have to go to work on a Monday with bills etc to pay the last thing anyone wants is a broken jaw from a cheap shot behind play.

I await with interest your reply plugger and the actions your club take.

On another note well done on the pre game silence and last post. Really well done its a pity that your players action over shadowed this.

 

[boonanzaIV]

As a neutral supporter watching this game I was absolutely disgusted by the performance of #10. He clearly went "the fist" as soon as Mt. Lilydale got the upper hand in the game. It's disappointing that he was allowed to continue to play after such blatent misconduct. In my opinion, and from what I've read, the opinion of quite a few others, this kind of behaviour should not be accepted in any form of football. His shameful display has clearly hurt Manningham's reputation, which is disapppointing to a club who has clearly tried to improve. Unfortunately the umpires were "blindsighted" and couldn't take any action, and from my view it appeared that #10's actions were unsupported by his team-mates. It was a disgrace by Manningham that he continued to play the game as he only hurt their cause further. I truly hope the league and the club take some action before he ruins any chance of the clubs success...

Unsure of the rules in the Ammos but in leagues I've played in the past, officials, players, goal and boundary umpires, spectators could all file complaints and the league would have to investigate. If these actions were witnessed by so many then surely action will be taken and this player is looking at an extensive stint on the sidelines, that's if the club don't enforce that anyway.

 

[melbdocker]

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Throughout the game foxtel....but obviously number 10 played for a specific reason as the coach and president did nothing to address this thug, yep they took no action so it was a tactical. As for the umpires well they are only human and don't have eyes in the back of the heads or so they say!!
At least as a club we stayed back and purchased raffle tickets for Tags and his family, drank a few beers and jimmys then went and had xrays.

would just like to thank you all for this its very much appreciated

 

[The Don]

Hey Melbdocker am i right in saying your on the committee at Manningham?

Would really like to hear your opinion on saturdays game and number 10's actions.

 

[melbdocker]

Hey Melbdocker am i right in saying your on the committee at Manningham?

Would really like to hear your opinion on saturdays game and number 10's actions.

nah mate sorry i'm not on the committee.

i wasnt actually there on sat so i didnt get to see it, this is the first i have heard about it. I'm sure if it was a bad as everyone is saying there will be an investigation and it will all get sorted.

just to defend plugger a bit if something happend on the field (and i say if purely because i have no real idea what happend) there is no way he could interfear with the coaches during the game, and if he did he wouldnt have a coach for very long.

 

[vafaeye]

Ok. I'll bite.

VAFA Eye must be my mum - she is the only person to call me Andrew. I'll make sure to buy you a good present in a couple of weeks. So stop hiding behind your alias and tell us who you are and what you want for mothers day!

The Cobras played poorly - in fact they were not allowed to play well. Mt lilydale played really well - there pressure was great. But they are no angels. They have improved from last year and truly deserve their place on top of the ladder.

I am also wrapped to say that the response of the Mt Lilydale players (and the cobras as well) to our raffle was great. Im not sure how much we raised for Tags - but it was great to get the support for our first home game.

The one other comment I will make is about my role on a match day.

"Throughout the game foxtel....but obviously number 10 played for a specific reason as the coach and president did nothing to address this thug, yep they took no action so it was a tactical."

Other than doing some goal umpiring, organising, scoreboard, interchange steward, and a bit of handyman work - the last thing I need to do is interfere in the coaching of the team. So I am confused about what I could do during a match as was commented. I know there were a few comments from the Mt Lilydale coaches/bench about me - that's fine. Im a (very) big boy and can handle any crap you want to throw at me - but be realistic. I can't coach the team as well - it's just not my job.

Andrew:
Leadership is about taking responsibility. From what I saw there was ample opportunity for half/3/4 time input. I was not near the Mt Lilydale bench when the comments were made.

As with THE DON, I concur your response says nothing about 'The Mirror" and what you intend to do. Do nothing & you & your club will sink to a NEW LOW!
The critical issue is what you stand for. If Mr G is on the team sheet next week we will all know how you lead!!!

THE EYE
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[bigbadvojo]

the guy from mt lilydale (number 17?) who was headbutted would have won best actor at the academy awards and scored a perfect 10 in the 3m springboard. there was nothing in it. I didn't see the other incidents involving number 10 from manningham so can't comment.

the same guy from ML who was headbutted dived and milked free kicks on numerous occasions during the game.

 

[My Name Is]

Monash Gryphons-121 defeat South mornington-75.....Sth.M flew out the blocks kicking 6 goals to one in first term, I'm guessing it was a healthy breeze. Monash won the next three quaters to win comfortably.No big suprise.
Box Hill North-107 defeat Eley Park-103.....Eley Park four goals up going into the final term would have been feeling ok, but B.H.Nth kicked 6 goals 7 behinds to storm home. New it would be a close game and congrats to Box Hill North starting thier campaign with a win.
Richmond Centrals-134 defeat Chadstone-11.....One goal for the entire match is shattering, I think we all new who the winner would be but just expected more from an 'improved' Chadstone. Good % booster.
Mt.Lilydale-149 defeat North Brunswick-34......Wow! Great bloody win! Whats going on there North Brunswick?? Seems the mountain Men gave you a good old fashioned wake up call. Mt.Lilydale on top of the ladder with 390% and will be the talk of D4 if they knock over Manningham next weekend.
Swinburne Uni-145 defeat Point Cook-68.....Thought it would be a bit closer. It seems Swinburne have the goods to have a fair crack this year, but as for the hype surrounding Point Cook, well if Box Hill can roll them next week they will be in all sorts!

Nth Brunswick-119 defeat Sth Mornington-76.....Good bounce back from the Brunswick boys. Thought it may be a little closer than 6+ goals. Sth.Mornington 0-3 now, realy better get going the next three weeks.
Eley Park-132 defeat Chadstone-58.....Well its now official; Chadstone will finish bottom of D4 again.
Richmond Central-90 defeat Swinburne Uni-54.....Good display of football I was told with the score line not realy reflecting how tight it was, with both sides displaying strong defence until the Central boys fired up in the last 15 minutes. Well done Richmond 3-0 start and the club must be buzzing a little bit now. Next week will be a big one!
Mt.Lilydale-125 defeat Manningham-53.....Wow, again! Ok I seem to have underestimated the Rams and Will probably tip them every week from here on out after they demolished a disfunctional Manningham. Hosting Richmond next week is huge for a club that has never started 4-0.(I think)
Point Cook-112 defeat Box Hill Nth-101.....Gee they just snuck home! massive sigh of relief heard all throughout the VAFA. B.H.Nth kicking 5goals 6 behinds in the last will be shattered they didnt get the points, but seem an improved outfit from years past.

 

[Sneako]

the guy from mt lilydale (number 17?) who was headbutted would have won best actor at the academy awards and scored a perfect 10 in the 3m springboard. there was nothing in it. I didn't see the other incidents involving number 10 from manningham so can't comment.
the same guy from ML who was headbutted dived and milked free kicks on numerous occasions during the game.

So you've seen one incident in which even you agree the player has headbutted, well you must have been a fair way away as not to hear the crack and see the force in contact. As stated on previous pages this was one of many actions off the ball the player in question tryed to finish someones day on the park and when being encouraged by 'quality supporters to "F#%KING KILL" and "SEND THEM HOME IN AMBULANCES" someone of his mental capabilities will probably listen and follow instruction. This is the only time I will post on the issue!
As for the game I thought Manningham seemed a little slow on the day and maybe just had 'one of those days'! But with some key forward figures and an absolute giant of a man in the ruck they will be playing finals this season I have no doubt. The pre-game anzac tribute was great and I'm sure all at Mt.Lilydale wish Tags the best and a speedy recovery. Good luck for the season.

 

[bigbadvojo]

So you've seen one incident in which even you agree the player has headbutted, well you must have been a fair way away as not to hear the crack and see the force in contact. As stated on previous pages this was one of many actions off the ball the player in question tryed to finish someones day on the park and when being encouraged by 'quality supporters to "F#%KING KILL" and "SEND THEM HOME IN AMBULANCES" someone of his mental capabilities will probably listen and follow instruction. This is the only time I will post on the issue!
As for the game I thought Manningham seemed a little slow on the day and maybe just had 'one of those days'! But with some key forward figures and an absolute giant of a man in the ruck they will be playing finals this season I have no doubt. The pre-game anzac tribute was great and I'm sure all at Mt.Lilydale wish Tags the best and a speedy recovery. Good luck for the season.

I didn't hear any crack and I was pretty close to it. IMO the headbutt I saw was a luvtap. The guy who was headbutted milked it for all it was worth. I didn't see any of the other incidents that have been mentioned. And this is the first time I have heard that supporters of manningham were carrying on like that.

 

[InFineForm]

Sneako - I've gone to respond to 3-4 things on the last page or so & haven't hit send because I try not to inflame or respond to inflammatory remarks.

However, for you to comment on the Manningham supporters strikes as a bit rich given the conduct over the years of the Lilydale boys (and those without male genitalia). It was spoken of on Saturday (pre any on-field stuff in the senior game) that there will be an off-field incident at some stage with some of the conduct of your supporters. (I have been personally threatened (when officiating) to the point of speaking to senior umpires about abuse directed by both players & off field supporters; so I'm not making baseless accusations. I'm no whinger, so I didn't take any further action.)

Contrary to this, once the final siren sounds there isn't a better group. They always support the host club by hanging around socially.

On the Manningham side, I would be very unhappy with any of our supporter group if they said things like you are suggesting. I like to think that the executive of our club would counsel any individuals that were heard going down this path.

As someone who has umpired, I know how difficult it is to see off-the-ball stuff, so my sympathy is with the umpires. As for in-house actions or lack thereof, there is a coaching panel, there is a leadership group & there is a committee. They all have jobs to do & if there is work to be done to make us a better club, then we'll attempt to do it. What that entails I have no idea as I am not judge, jury or executioner when it comes to judging players actions (or inactions as the case may be).

On the football side, it was a tremendous win in the magoos by the Manningham boys. I don't think too many would have picked us by 100+. On the negative side, Sneako is right, we looked slower & were pretty much systematically picked apart by a better team. With a very new team playing at our home ground we'd have hoped to be better. We'll need to be next come we come up against your boys.

 

[richmond1516]

the guy from mt lilydale (number 17?) who was headbutted would have won best actor at the academy awards and scored a perfect 10 in the 3m springboard. there was nothing in it. I didn't see the other incidents involving number 10 from manningham so can't comment.

the same guy from ML who was headbutted dived and milked free kicks on numerous occasions during the game.

The fact that you think he would have won 'best actor' is completly besides the point and irrelevant. Who are you to judge whether another person is in pain and the extent of that pain?

The point Is number 10 set out to intentionaly
Rough a few guys up because that's all manningham had left, they were playiNg terribly and obviously were frustrated, so last resort is that thugary.

Number 10 started he rough behavour within the first 5 minutes of the game, the people I was standing with were disgusted.

You should be happy of his so called 'oscars performance' and the fact that he was NOT seriously hurt(isn't that the main thing!?)
I was in the crowd and did hear those things being yelled out by manningham supporters and also by the men in the score box. To which a supporter, an ederly lady told them to watch they language as there were kids around. I understand that's part of footy and it's off the field but it's a family game.

 

[Ruck Machine]

Questions for the Mt Lilydale guys. How come no one stepped in and put Manningham #10 down for the count??

 

[Sneako]

Questions for the Mt Lilydale guys. How come no one stepped in and put Manningham #10 down for the count??

HaHa. Fair question R.M, but not all of us are gifted with your talents in the fist department! Just let him know that he had cost his side 4 goals throughout the match and offered some advice on ways in which he might even up the in-balance in his brain!

 

[Tingels24]

I recall Number 10 Going back three weeks ago @ our game being a Ticking Time Bomb ready to go BOOM! By the sounds of it, it sounds like he did go BOOM on Saturday against you guys. Shame it had to involve two guys heads & by the sounds of it others noses & jaws.

 

[plugger28]

It is interesting that so many people wish to hang it on my club. I say "My" not because I feel like I own it - or lead it. I am proud of it, and the rest of the people who make up the Manningham Cobras FC.

My take on it - as I said before, Mt Lilydale were not angels. I would love to hear from the Mt Lilydale players and spectators what they thought sparked these incidents.

As has been stated here - there are mechanisms within the VAFA to sort out these things, and I expect to get a call from HQ this week. That is the extent to which I will act on these incidents.

I will also re-state, my role is not to be involved on a match day with the coaching staff; not at 1/4 time, half time, or 3/4 time. I wish the coach good luck before the bounce, and shake his hand at the end, win, loose or draw. Selection is a similar issue. I am not involved - I have seen the damage presidents in selection can do, and I intend to have no involvement. I will say that I have made it very clear to the coaches, players and committee what I expect when representing our club - there is a leadership group and a coaching group, and finally a committee who will manage anything that sits outside of my expectations. This is not a one man show - never will be. That said, I am responsible for the club. It is a great honor, one I take very seriously. Therefore VAFAEYE I am confused as to why you would insinuate that I shirk responsibility.

Can I also add that I do not condone any acts of head butting, punching, elbowing, eye-gouging etc by anyone. So I am disappointed that these incidents have occurred. Before you all jump on to say I have whacked you - good luck, best I usually do is squash the odd bloke who I fall on. That and a bit of push and shove - I am guilty of that from time to time, but I am quickly reminded by my kids that it's not the right thing to do.

I can also assure those reading this that we have entered a world of fantasy - some of the comments do not hold true to the facts, most obviously was Number 10 did was on the bench the whole of the first quarter - so how could he have instigated things from the 5 minute mark. I know this - I did, among other things, do the interchange.

Finally - on leadership - I will lead my club how I see fit. It isn't always right, but it rarely ends up on the pages of big footy. If there are people out there who think they can do it better - I welcome you. I know I haven't got all the answers. I can't do it all by my self. I think I have assembled a fantastic team to lead our club. I also think my record is a good one off the field. I am, with the committee, working hard to get on the field right - Saturday proved that there is still a lot of work to be done.

2010 should be an improvement from 2009 for the Cobras. I think we have improved from last year; it is now over to the coaches and players to do the rest.

 

[vafaeye]

It is interesting that so many people wish to hang it on my club. I say "My" not because I feel like I own it - or lead it. I am proud of it, and the rest of the people who make up the Manningham Cobras FC.

My take on it - as I said before, Mt Lilydale were not angels. I would love to hear from the Mt Lilydale players and spectators what they thought sparked these incidents.

As has been stated here - there are mechanisms within the VAFA to sort out these things, and I expect to get a call from HQ this week. That is the extent to which I will act on these incidents.

I will also re-state, my role is not to be involved on a match day with the coaching staff; not at 1/4 time, half time, or 3/4 time. I wish the coach good luck before the bounce, and shake his hand at the end, win, loose or draw. Selection is a similar issue. I am not involved - I have seen the damage presidents in selection can do, and I intend to have no involvement. I will say that I have made it very clear to the coaches, players and committee what I expect when representing our club - there is a leadership group and a coaching group, and finally a committee who will manage anything that sits outside of my expectations. This is not a one man show - never will be. That said, I am responsible for the club. It is a great honor, one I take very seriously. Therefore VAFAEYE I am confused as to why you would insinuate that I shirk responsibility.

Can I also add that I do not condone any acts of head butting, punching, elbowing, eye-gouging etc by anyone. So I am disappointed that these incidents have occurred. Before you all jump on to say I have whacked you - good luck, best I usually do is squash the odd bloke who I fall on. That and a bit of push and shove - I am guilty of that from time to time, but I am quickly reminded by my kids that it's not the right thing to do.

I can also assure those reading this that we have entered a world of fantasy - some of the comments do not hold true to the facts, most obviously was Number 10 did was on the bench the whole of the first quarter - so how could he have instigated things from the 5 minute mark. I know this - I did, among other things, do the interchange.

Finally - on leadership - I will lead my club how I see fit. Sounds like your vote is worth ten on a nine man committee!It isn't always right, but it rarely ends up on the pages of big footy. If there are people out there who think they can do it better - I welcome you. I know I haven't got all the answers. I can't do it all by my self. I think I have assembled a fantastic team to lead our club. I also think my record is a good one off the field. I am, with the committee, working hard to get on the field right - Saturday proved that there is still a lot of work to be done.

2010 should be an improvement from 2009 for the Cobras. I think we have improved from last year; it is now over to the coaches and players to do the rest.

Yes have seen you whack more than your share which is an interesting leadership quality. Cobras should implement a "conduct committee" to deal with onfield issues [mirror - rubbed out 4 times at Kew - once for hitting the opposition coach ... LETS GET SOME GOOD ROLE MODELS INTO THE CLUB FOR 2010???] that are detrimental to the club because it sure sounds like you won't act on anything. Would appear that the only tough decision taken in your time was the 'Wayne O" one. Get the feeling I know the club 'inside out?"

THE EVER PRESENT EYE
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[plugger28]

Get the feeling I know the club 'inside out?"

THE EVER PRESENT EYE

ahhhh. No. The facts are wrong. So it looks like you think you know. Nice try. Points for trying. I know it's useless, but why don't you tell us all who you are. Not real advantage in hiding is there? You like using my name. Can't we know yours???​

 

[bromberg]

yes have seen you whack more than your share which is an interesting leadership quality. Cobras should implement a "conduct committee" to deal with onfield issues [mirror - rubbed out 4 times at kew - once for hitting the opposition coach ... Lets get some good role models into the club for 2010???] that are detrimental to the club because it sure sounds like you won't act on anything. Would appear that the only tough decision taken in your time was the 'wayne o" one. Get the feeling i know the club 'inside out?"

the ever present eye

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a good club gets on the front foot straight away.they dont say i had to do this and had to do that because every president of every sportyin club in australia has got a tough job but that is what they choose to do.if there is a problem and obviously there is,you get onto the front foot and let the other d4 clubs know that there will be a full investigation and that sort of conduct will not be tolerated.if it is reflecting badly on your club it is the presidents responsobility to take immediate action.progressive club my arse

 

[3rd man in]

Sneako - I've gone to respond to 3-4 things on the last page or so & haven't hit send because I try not to inflame or respond to inflammatory remarks.

However, for you to comment on the Manningham supporters strikes as a bit rich given the conduct over the years of the Lilydale boys (and those without male genitalia). It was spoken of on Saturday (pre any on-field stuff in the senior game) that there will be an off-field incident at some stage with some of the conduct of your supporters. (I have been personally threatened (when officiating) to the point of speaking to senior umpires about abuse directed by both players & off field supporters; so I'm not making baseless accusations. I'm no whinger, so I didn't take any further action.)

Contrary to this, once the final siren sounds there isn't a better group. They always support the host club by hanging around socially.

On the Manningham side, I would be very unhappy with any of our supporter group if they said things like you are suggesting. I like to think that the executive of our club would counsel any individuals that were heard going down this path.

As someone who has umpired, I know how difficult it is to see off-the-ball stuff, so my sympathy is with the umpires. As for in-house actions or lack thereof, there is a coaching panel, there is a leadership group & there is a committee. They all have jobs to do & if there is work to be done to make us a better club, then we'll attempt to do it. What that entails I have no idea as I am not judge, jury or executioner when it comes to judging players actions (or inactions as the case may be).

On the football side, it was a tremendous win in the magoos by the Manningham boys. I don't think too many would have picked us by 100+. On the negative side, Sneako is right, we looked slower & were pretty much systematically picked apart by a better team. With a very new team playing at our home ground we'd have hoped to be better. We'll need to be next come we come up against your boys.

did the ammos supply 2 umps? if so wouldnt they have to take some of the responsibility? being as bad as all are saying the umps had to be aware of it. If only one ump was there i can understand why it would be missed.

 

[foxtel]

a good club gets on the front foot straight away.they dont say i had to do this and had to do that because every president of every sportyin club in australia has got a tough job but that is what they choose to do.if there is a problem and obviously there is,you get onto the front foot and let the other d4 clubs know that there will be a full investigation and that sort of conduct will not be tolerated.if it is reflecting badly on your club it is the presidents responsobility to take immediate action.progressive club my arse

If Mt Lilydale don't initiate an investigation into these incidents then they are more guilty than Plugger not taking any action. We all feel that our players are not guilty so let an indepedant tribunal take care of the matter, i for one feel for Plugger it's not easy handing down judgement on one of your own.
Lets talk about the weekends results Point Cooks first win in both 1's and 2's, Nth Bwick bouncing back, Eley Park's good form and the big Waz juggernaught just rolls on should be a great game this weekend against the inform Mt Lilydale.