Daisy - off topic

[MR]

The sides that have had prolonged periods of success in recent times haven't gone and chased big $$$ players . West Coast , Briabane , Geelong and even back to Hawthorn .
The reason why not to go after a big name isn't based on whether we have a player good enough and likely to bet be as good , it's about what it costs to get them . Getting a daisy Thomas would mean the lose of a couple like Conca , O'hanlon , Ellis .
No thanks we have the outside game breakers and unfortunately at the moment they are being used inside and being sat by the opposition .
I agree we need to generate more pace around the midfield , however IMO it will came at the expense of players like Tuck , Jackson , Grigg being replaced by the Vlaustin, Arnott , Williams , O'hanlon types and we might see it by seasons end .

If losing Conca/Ellis (Not so much O'Hanlon) was the price for obtaining Thomas, then I would be against it. However, as none of us are in a position to judge our salary cap issues, we can't go off making assumptions like that. There have been cases where bringing in a big fish hasn't brought about a salary mess. I doubt Essendon are going to have to kick off Heppell, Kavanagh, Carlisle etc for bringing in Goddard. They calculated the reward and risk of bringing Brendan into the club and they pulled a big fish successfully.

The sad truth, is that we do not have any outside line-breakers other than Deledio. Edwards is quick, but he hardly uses his pace to break lines. Martin sometimes incorporates it into his game, but you couldn't call it a feature. Tuck and Jackson are inside players. Thus when there time is up, they will be replaced by inside players, not line-breakers. The players you have mentioned are all inside types, other than O'Hanlon, who by all means is NOT a line-breaker. They aren't the ones who we will use to inject pace into our team.

The club has said for a while that they are building up a war chest and will target a big fish. For me we have two needs, a CHF (Not convinced by Vickery yet.) and a fast outside midfielder. We have decent young depth for that key-forward role in Elton, Griff and Astbury, so there isn't much worry there. The problem is that outside midfielder, and Thomas would be that perfect fit. He's an athlete, can play outside and also win his ball. He has X Factor and game-winning ability and can have a huge impact up forward.

 

[mcuzzy]

Would love to have Daisy but I'm sure that there are others I'd rather have that would cost much less

 

[cairo tiger]

not needed.

 

[Mr Magic]

Would love to have Daisy but I'm sure that there are others I'd rather have that would cost much less

The cost is the other players we cannot chase for later that will be better and more suitable age and production wise for us when our window starts to open up. In three years Thomas best years probably behind him, that is simply no good for us!

 

[_Wang_]

Daisy wouldn't make GWS top 18 going forward

Dude, can you share that ice pipe with me.. Lmao

 

[_RT_]

Just been looking at the list and if we were going to target someone of a big name nature then I'd rather us go for Mark LeCras. Doubt he would leave but he would be a fairly handy goal kicking HFF/midfielder rotating with the likes of Martin Deledio & Cotchin.

 

[Danog]

Won't be us.

 

[_RT_]

The cost is the other players we cannot chase for later that will be better and more suitable age and production wise for us when our window starts to open up. In three years Thomas best years probably behind him, that is simply no good for us!

Using your theory of when our window will open up the players that will be a better age for us haven't even started high school yet.

 

[RichoLedio]

I'm all for chasing Thomas within reason, seems a lot of people have forgotten just how good this bloke is since he's been struggling with injury recently

 

[Joker91]

Daisy wouldn't make GWS top 18 going forward

Shit call. There was a period in 2011 where he was close to the best player in the league. When fully fit he is in Collingwoods top 5 players.

In saying that, I don't want us paying overs. If he leaves Collingwood it will be for more money then we will be offering.

 

[Dragonss]

Lids is better than Thomas , whilst Edwards is that close to if not his equal . Whilst O'hanlon appears the next in line . You don't build a dynasty by bringing over priced players .

not equal that's for sure. he's certainly better than Grigg that's for sure. i remember a while back when Daisy outran Edwards along the wing from their defensive 50 to the forward 50

 

[Tigersman]

Would rather see a key forward if we are chasing big fish. Mids are easier to find. That said, Thomas' best is elite. He was below that last year and has had an interrupted preseason this time around. Another mediocre season and he may not command the huge price tag his best footy deserves. Someone could get him for a decent price if the stars align.

 

[tunksy]

lets give knights a go first

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

If losing Conca/Ellis (Not so much O'Hanlon) was the price for obtaining Thomas, then I would be against it. However, as none of us are in a position to judge our salary cap issues, we can't go off making assumptions like that. There have been cases where bringing in a big fish hasn't brought about a salary mess. I doubt Essendon are going to have to kick off Heppell, Kavanagh, Carlisle etc for bringing in Goddard. They calculated the reward and risk of bringing Brendan into the club and they pulled a big fish successfully.

The sad truth, is that we do not have any outside line-breakers other than Deledio. Edwards is quick, but he hardly uses his pace to break lines. Martin sometimes incorporates it into his game, but you couldn't call it a feature. Tuck and Jackson are inside players. Thus when there time is up, they will be replaced by inside players, not line-breakers. The players you have mentioned are all inside types, other than O'Hanlon, who by all means is NOT a line-breaker. They aren't the ones who we will use to inject pace into our team.

The club has said for a while that they are building up a war chest and will target a big fish. For me we have two needs, a CHF (Not convinced by Vickery yet.) and a fast outside midfielder. We have decent young depth for that key-forward role in Elton, Griff and Astbury, so there isn't much worry there. The problem is that outside midfielder, and Thomas would be that perfect fit. He's an athlete, can play outside and also win his ball. He has X Factor and game-winning ability and can have a huge impact up forward.

Essendon do not have players of the calibre of Cotchin , Martin , Lids or Jack , there is absolutely nothing wrong with our top end , we need to build our 2nd teir and you don't do that by buying in high priced players that have one to two good games a year .
We have Lids , Collingwood currently have a poor mans Lids , Thomas , and our next best player in that role is better than their next best option , you don't need a team full of outside mids , line breakers or game breakers as you describe them .
Currently Lids and Edwards are playing to much inside and not enough outside hence why we don't have the outside run .
They need to be returned to that outside role , but to do that we need to improve the run from those who play inside .
The message out of the club , in dimmas era , has always been that the club would prefer a group effort rather than relying on a few , that won't change and like the talk about Cloke it will prove to be a non event .

 

[Mr Magic]

Dude, can you share that ice pipe with me.. Lmao

In three years time come premiership window time Daisy will be 29 and all GWS 18 well past him, Book it!!

 

[Mr Magic]

Shit call. There was a period in 2011 where he was close to the best player in the league. When fully fit he is in Collingwoods top 5 players.

In saying that, I don't want us paying overs. If he leaves Collingwood it will be for more money then we will be offering.

If we worry about the past Gary Ablett Snr was a great player 20 years ago.

In 3 years time Thomas will be 29. In six years time when we are chasing a premiership he will be 32.

GWS will be in their prime as so will we.

Simply need to keep our focus on winning premierships going forward


In 8 years time when Martin and Cotch are still driving our young team Thomas.... well he probably will not be playing

 

[Mr Magic]

Using your theory of when our window will open up the players that will be a better age for us haven't even started high school yet.

Can you get a comprehensive plan together on how we are going to beat the top teams in the next 2 years for the cup???

That I would like to see, cause talk is just a little cheap!

GWS are out of school so I am struggling to see the relevance!!

 

[Joker91]

If we worry about the past Gary Ablett Snr was a great player 20 years ago.

In 3 years time Thomas will be 29. In six years time when we are chasing a premiership he will be 32.

GWS will be in their prime as so will we.

Simply need to keep our focus on winning premierships going forward


In 8 years time when Martin and Cotch are still driving our young team Thomas.... well he probably will not be playing

Six years? We would want to be challenging for a flag before GC/GWS hit there straps.

If the focus is on "winning premierships going forward" then we need to be as ruthless as we can when it comes to poaching opposition players. Like I said I cant see us getting Daisy but it would be stupid not to have a crack.

 

[courtjester]

We can challenge for the flag this year if we can learn to remain composed when we have the lead and not panic.

 

[MR]

Essendon do not have players of the calibre of Cotchin , Martin , Lids or Jack , there is absolutely nothing wrong with our top end , we need to build our 2nd teir and you don't do that by buying in high priced players that have one to two good games a year .
We have Lids , Collingwood currently have a poor mans Lids , Thomas , and our next best player in that role is better than their next best option , you don't need a team full of outside mids , line breakers or game breakers as you describe them .
Currently Lids and Edwards are playing to much inside and not enough outside hence why we don't have the outside run .
They need to be returned to that outside role , but to do that we need to improve the run from those who play inside .
The message out of the club , in dimmas era , has always been that the club would prefer a group effort rather than relying on a few , that won't change and like the talk about Cloke it will prove to be a non event .

For starters, you are really underrating Thomas. A player doesn't receive AA honours from playing one or two games a year. That's a complete lack of respect for one of the games better players. I believe when both are fit Thomas is Deledio's equal. I agree, we don't need a team full of outside midfielders, but we have the inside players. Cotchin, Tuck, Martin, Conca, Foley and Vlastuin will form the core of a really strong inside midfield. On the outside we currently have Deledio and Edwards. Just the two. Compare that to say, a Collingwood, who in their premiership team had an outside of Thomas, Sidebottom, Pendlebury and Wellingham. Also, I'd much rather Titch playing up forward than in the midfield. People seem to have short memories, the last time Sheds was given freedom on the outside, people were calling for his head. On the inside he's been pretty good so far, as I said before, stick him forward.

In terms of what's bolded, Thomas will not be our best player. He will be another cog in the midfield to put the cherry on top. We won't rely on him, we don't really rely on anyone anymore. This is simply about injecting more quality into our list.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

For starters, you are really underrating Thomas. A player doesn't receive AA honours from playing one or two games a year. That's a complete lack of respect for one of the games better players. I believe when both are fit Thomas is Deledio's equal. I agree, we don't need a team full of outside midfielders, but we have the inside players. Cotchin, Tuck, Martin, Conca, Foley and Vlastuin will form the core of a really strong inside midfield. On the outside we currently have Deledio and Edwards. Just the two. Compare that to say, a Collingwood, who in their premiership team had an outside of Thomas, Sidebottom, Pendlebury and Wellingham. Also, I'd much rather Titch playing up forward than in the midfield. People seem to have short memories, the last time Sheds was given freedom on the outside, people were calling for his head. On the inside he's been pretty good so far, as I said before, stick him forward.

In terms of what's bolded, Thomas will not be our best player. He will be another cog in the midfield to put the cherry on top. We won't rely on him, we don't really rely on anyone anymore. This is simply about injecting more quality into our list.

Sidebottom was a first year player, who has always been as good inside as out, Conca has shown very little inside , his best game, last night, at AFL level was littered with outside work, as were his better games at junior level. He'll end up better outside than in , as will Ellis who you could argue is the equivalent ATM to where Sidebottom was in Collingwood's premiership year.
The chance of Foley returning to anything like his best is wishful thinking unfortunately, whilst I suspect Tuck is in his last season.
As for Edwards inside, 4 times in a row last night his direct opponent got the clearance, that doesn't happen with competent inside players, it's not his role.
Martin =Swan, Cotchin = Pendlebury , Conca = Wellingham, Ellis= Sidebottom, Vlaustin = Ball, Thomas = Lids, Beams = Edwards.
Get these blokes to match a similar output to that of the Collingwood players in their premiership year and they're aint no issue.
It won't happen MR so don't bother worrying yourself.

 

[Bojangles17]

2-0. You beauty.

This is left field but something I've felt for a while.

I reckon we will be into Daisy Thomas and will be in the first few showing interest. Salary cap will tighten on the deals for Martin JR and cotch but if we have some gas left I believe we will be right into him

No inside word just my opinion

As if we d have anything left in the cookie jar after re signing cotch jack and martin, we may have to let someone go to fit them all in, so not a chanve in hell we would be interested

 

[MR]

Sidebottom was a first year player, who has always been as good inside as out, Conca has shown very little inside , his best game, last night, at AFL level was littered with outside work, as were his better games at junior level. He'll end up better outside than in , as will Ellis who you could argue is the equivalent ATM to where Sidebottom was in Collingwood's premiership year.
The chance of Foley returning to anything like his best is wishful thinking unfortunately, whilst I suspect Tuck is in his last season.
As for Edwards inside, 4 times in a row last night his direct opponent got the clearance, that doesn't happen with competent inside players, it's not his role.
Martin =Swan, Cotchin = Pendlebury , Conca = Wellingham, Ellis= Sidebottom, Vlaustin = Ball, Thomas = Lids, Beams = Edwards.
Get these blokes to match a similar output to that of the Collingwood players in their premiership year and they're aint no issue.
It won't happen MR so don't bother worrying yourself.

I know it's highly unlikely, I'm just stressing, perhaps a tad too passionately my stance on Thomas.

One thing I'd like to note though, is that Conca is an inside midfielder, through and through. Ellis is purely outside as well. Conca in junior days was inside too. I'd compare him to Sidebottom more than Ellis, because he displays outside qualities. Ellis has shown absolutely no proficiency around stoppages during AFL and junior level. Through Collingwood equivalents, you can put him as our Heath Shaw.

For me, I would use the comparison as
Martin = Swan Cotchin = Pendles Conca = Beams Vlastuin = Ball Deledio = Thomas Sheds = Wellingham Sidebottom = ?

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

I know it's highly unlikely, I'm just stressing, perhaps a tad too passionately my stance on Thomas.

One thing I'd like to note though, is that Conca is an inside midfielder, through and through. Ellis is purely outside as well. Conca in junior days was inside too. I'd compare him to Sidebottom more than Ellis, because he displays outside qualities. Ellis has shown absolutely no proficiency around stoppages during AFL and junior level. Through Collingwood equivalents, you can put him as our Heath Shaw.

For me, I would use the comparison as
Martin = Swan Cotchin = Pendles Conca = Beams Vlastuin = Ball Deledio = Thomas Sheds = Wellingham Sidebottom = ?

Conca is not inside through and through at all, he has played inside, however his outside work is far superior to his inside , hence why his best games have been when playing outside including at junior level.
Thomas won't be a RFC next year for previously mentioned reasons, bookmark it.

 

[MR]

Conca is not inside through and through at all, he has played inside, however his outside work is far superior to his inside , hence why his best games have been when playing outside including at junior level.
Thomas won't be a RFC next year for previously mentioned reasons, bookmark it.

Knowing Richmond's recruiting standards, it's almost certain he won't be. I'd still love him though.