News Dale Thomas: Going, going, **OFFICIALLY** gone! (Please, don't feed trolls)

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It looks like it. Quite apart from it beingh a poor decision and frankly weak option, the external examination I referred to would entail a major why! A heart and soul Collingwood man who recently re-signed a reasonably long contract falls out with the club/coach and vice vera. There were rumours during the year. I don't generally get to wound up by such rumours but subsequent events show plenty of basis.

Jesus, I never cease to be amazed at how accepting we are.
Heart and soul club people have been responsible for clubs falling apart for a long time. Look at Jack Elliot at Carlton. Look at Collingwood in the 90's. They may have believed that they were doing right by the club however their behaviour still f..... their clubs.
So in Shaw's case, does being a true Collingwood man mean he isn't a tool and a disruptive influence? Is Buckley any less of a true Collingwood man because he wants another true Collingwood man to pull his head in?
Eddie came in and orchestrated the replacement of Tony Shaw, a heart and soul Collingwood man. Is Eddie not a heart and soul Collingwood man?
I don't get caught up in the heart and soul club person shit because they could be responsible for either the success or failure of a team/club.
 

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He is allowed and to earn as much as he can outside of the club and in fact would have been heavily encouraged and assisted to. It would have been as much Collingwood's desire as Thomas' so any criticism of that is naive at best.

His age is not an issue. In fact he is prime age. If all out list was the same age we would be in the perfect short term zone for premierships. If all our list was of the same quality we would in fact be unbeatbable.

The ONLY reason Thomas may not be worth $700kpa is the doubt on his ankle. That is not the only reason he looks likely not to be at Collingwood and that is the ineternal examination that year after year, failure to capitalise after fauilure we do not undertake and act on.

Once again it looks liKe Collingwood has farked Collingwood.
We areeither the most tolerant or the most apathetic supporters of any sporting organisation I can imagine.

I disagree. Thomas is unfulfilled potential that has so far apart from one or two seasons has been underwhelming majority of his career. Beams has already overtaken him at 23 and Pendles...well....I'm not saying he's as bad as Xavier Ellis but even 100% fit he is not worth that much.

I'm not ripping on the bloke - just my honest assessment - and also just saying that he is money based which he is. Nothing wrong with that because it is a business. However on the flipside other players took a cut to play at Collingwood. He's doing the ads, doing the promos and asking for a pay increase of the back of two injured years at 27.

700k? As much as Cloke? No thanks!

Think the club feels the same way at the reality of the situation.
 

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Heart and soul club people have been responsible for clubs falling apart for a long time. Look at Jack Elliot at Carlton. Look at Collingwood in the 90's. They may have believed that they were doing right by the club however their behaviour still f..... their clubs.
So in Shaw's case, does being a true Collingwood man mean he isn't a tool and a disruptive influence? Is Buckley any less of a true Collingwood man because he wants another true Collingwood man to pull his head in?
Eddie came in and orchestrated the replacement of Tony Shaw, a heart and soul Collingwood man. Is Eddie not a heart and soul Collingwood man?
I don't get caught up in the heart and soul club person shit because they could be responsible for either the success or failure of a team/club.
Spot on Checkside.
 

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I'm going with people farking up up the internal dynamic which is after all the major seperator of talented lists and a major determinant of winning flags once you assemble a talented list. All the other issues magnify for disafected players.

The good news is that the way we are going we will have a perfect list for leading teams to start and be successful in building a winning culture so we can have a crack at competing for a flag. It's a pity the one we had that actually did win one fell in a heap but hey, it gives us sometihing to build on now. Once Swan retires all the naughty boys will be gone, we can finally get our culture right with a good group of solid citzens and Caroline Wilson won't write any bad articles about us.

So in other words, Bucks came along and said "why can't we keep winning without so much ******* around? Hell, we might even get better!, wouldn't that make us even better?" Then Daisy and his buddies thought "Man this is bullshit, hey guys this is bullshit? Isn't it?", and the other guys were like "He's the coach now, maybe we should just do what he says" and this began the separation among the group, which in turn affected their performance, then Daisy's all like "man this club is shit, I'm going back to Mick, he let's us do whatever we want as long as we play good".
PS. Grammar and less sarcasm go a long, long way.
 

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Daisy is/was one of my favourite players. Even though I know he is gone in my mind, I am still struggling to accept it. At the end of the day he gave the club great service and I for one am not going to hold onto a grudge, even if it is Carlton. Thanks for the memories Daisy.
 

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As Buddy said, this is the new modern game.

Free Agency will do this. Players will seek longer deals, more cash etc.

Daisy will always be a Pies premiership hero, even if his "defection" to Carlton takes time to heal because in time it will heal if this is the outcome that is pending. He is a life member, given us some great moments, an All-Australian season and a lifetime of premiership memories in 2010. He will always be remembered as a Pies man, just like Buddy will always be remembered as a Hawks champ.

In the end, it's a win-win scenario for us. Daisy stays, great. If he goes, at least we will be compensated quite well with pick 11 giving us the opportunity to rebuild the list quickly and find replacements for him via youth.
Dale, the whole 'free agency will do this' stream of thinking. I don't agree we should just roll over and think 'hey, well that's life in 2013 we'd better get used to it'. The fact is, not all players do these deals in the same way, or think about things in the same way. And we supporters should not be the only ones of whom loyalty is expected.
 

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Daisy is/was one of my favourite players. Even though I know he is gone in my mind, I am still struggling to accept it. At the end of the day he gave the club great service and I for one am not going to hold onto a grudge, even if it is Carlton. Thanks for the memories Daisy.
I'm going to hold one, **** him.
 

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Dale, the whole 'free agency will do this' stream of thinking. I don't agree we should just roll over and think 'hey, well that's life in 2013 we'd better get used to it'. The fact is, not all players do these deals in the same way, or think about things in the same way. And we supporters should not be the only ones of whom loyalty is expected.
I guess the challenge is to build a culture that players want to be part of and will sacrifice earnings for. Every club is going to get some players that don't buy in. Hopefully Bucks and his team can create such a culture.
 

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Spot on jmac, change is not necessarily a bad thing and there will always be a couple of individuals that don't buy in but the trick is in lessening their impact on the rest. There's room for all types in any given team, you just can't have too many in the "disruptive/not engaged" box.
 

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I presume a parge part of the reason he's leaving is that he's fallen out of love with the club. FFS when players like Shaw & Thomas are on the outer something is bloody wrong. Good players do not leave good clubs for no reason.
They do when they are a bad influence on the playing group and refuse to reform.

Join the dots FFS, it aint hard to work out what they have been getting up to.
 

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It looks like it. Quite apart from it beingh a poor decision and frankly weak option, the external examination I referred to would entail a major why! A heart and soul Collingwood man who recently re-signed a reasonably long contract falls out with the club/coach and vice vera. There were rumours during the year. I don't generally get to wound up by such rumours but subsequent events show plenty of basis.

Jesus, I never cease to be amazed at how accepting we are.
I don't know but he seems to have a volcanic temper at times on field.
 

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How is asking a question obvious? It's not even what I think and it seems most on here think it's about money more than anything. I'm just asking who thinks or perhaps knows this might be the case.

No need to be a smart-arse ********.
Sorry, just having a bit of fun, no offence intended.
 
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Just showing us now how these players aren't for Buckley.
They aren't for professionalism, that's why they are bucking the system, the coach is the coach, who gives a flying f*ck at the moon if they like him or not.. they just have to be professionals and conduct themselves as such.. some got fat and lazy on premiership success and need to be weeded out.. blaming the coach is for simpletons
 

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Yeah you are right. He's not leaving for extra money, or a greater chance at a flag next year, or an extra year or two on his contract.

OH WAIT.:eek:
He definitely isn't leaving for a greater chance at a flag next year if he ends at Carlton.

Money and length of contract is definitely key. And that's the way the system works unfortunately.
 

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Yeah you are right. He's not leaving for extra money, or a greater chance at a flag next year, or an extra year or two on his contract.

OH WAIT.:eek:
If the players stuck together maybe there would have been a chance at premiership, ever thought about that? Buckley doesn't have them united therefore players have either left or are leaving or been sacked. Either way you look at it, we had a premiership team that should have only had 3-4 players leaving at most. Dynasty never even got started.
 

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If the players stuck together maybe there would have been a chance at premiership, ever thought about that? Buckley doesn't have them united therefore players have either left or are leaving or been sacked. Either way you look at it, we had a premiership team that should have only had 3-4 players leaving most. Dynasty never even got started.
So are you blaming Bucks or the players for that?
 
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