News Dale Thomas: Going, going, **OFFICIALLY** gone! (Please, don't feed trolls)

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Everybody is saying THATSGOLD is wrong on this. How do we know he is?
How will we feel next year if Heater & Daisy are tearing it up @ their new clubs?
How will we feel if we still have a game plan that sucks?
Is it against the law to question if the coach is the problem just because the coach is Bucks?
Everything cannot be all the players fault surely? Could a different coach have reeled them in & got them on side?
These questions have to also be asked. Not just use the mantra that if we are playing crap that it must be all the players fault.
If we had Jo Shmo as coach of our club right now & we had gone from Grand Finalists to eighth in 2 years & then he started dismantling what was a perfectly good list that reigned supreme in 2010, then most people on here would be tearing the walls of the Westpac centre down & calling for his head.
Why is everybody so sure Buckley's way is the right way? What has he done as a coach that fills everyone so full of confidence to say what we are doing is the right thing, ridding ourselves of players who have been icons at Collingwood? I'm not trying to start world war 3 here. I'm genuinely interested to know that due to poor performances, why has the coach & his staff not been put under the same scrutiny as the players?
I would say that at this stage Bucks has the clear support of Eddie and the board to make the changes that he feels are necessary. I also think that our run of injuries has bought him some extra time along with the introduction of many new and promising players. I think that we supporters have a right to question what is happening at the club, particularly in light of the likelihood of Shaw and Thomas leaving. Next season will be a big one for Bucks. We still have the core of a very good side and expectations will be high. Another poor year and the drums will start beating. Personally I still think he is taking us in the right direction however I reserve the right to change my mind.
 

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Everybody is saying THATSGOLD is wrong on this. How do we know he is?
How will we feel next year if Heater & Daisy are tearing it up @ their new clubs?
How will we feel if we still have a game plan that sucks?
Is it against the law to question if the coach is the problem just because the coach is Bucks?
Everything cannot be all the players fault surely? Could a different coach have reeled them in & got them on side?
These questions have to also be asked. Not just use the mantra that if we are playing crap that it must be all the players fault.
If we had Jo Shmo as coach of our club right now & we had gone from Grand Finalists to eighth in 2 years & then he started dismantling what was a perfectly good list that reigned supreme in 2010, then most people on here would be tearing the walls of the Westpac centre down & calling for his head.
Why is everybody so sure Buckley's way is the right way? What has he done as a coach that fills everyone so full of confidence to say what we are doing is the right thing, ridding ourselves of players who have been icons at Collingwood? I'm not trying to start world war 3 here. I'm genuinely interested to know that due to poor performances, why has the coach & his staff not been put under the same scrutiny as the players?
Exactly. Let's change Buckleys name to Matthew Knights. If knights had come in and ruined our premiership team by sacking Didak Dawes Shaw and getting the Daisy deal done what would be the thoughts of the passionate Collingwood fans? Is it because it's Buckley that it's ok and we just sit by and watch?
Shaw will be great value at another club they will be lucky to have him.
Daisy, who knows..
For me and this is when the alarms bells went off is when Buckley was told to **** off by Harry. We know of Harry's battle etc but for me it didn't sit comfortably.
 

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You seem so keen on putting the scrutiny on Buckley for our failings in the last 2 seasons how about putting our former coach under the same spotlight for his performance as coach after TFS in 2011.

I think that rotten bastard actually cost the Club a very valid chance at the 2011 flag,more so than any damage Buckley has caused because in 2011 we actually had the players to be big chance.

While we are pointing the finger at Buckley it might also be prudent to recall the cost to our chances in 2011 that both Shaw and Thomas did with their selfish actions.

If Buckley feels we would better served having them gone on recent evidence I would agree.
Don't judge me as a Mick Malthouse fan. I'm anything but.
I'm not blaming Buckley as you put it either.
The players may have acted like assholes, I don't know I'm not in the inner sanctum.
Just asking why we are showing our players the door & trust completely that Bucks is right doing this.
I'm not making a statement because I don't know. I genuinely wanted to know why most pie fans feel this way?
What if we continue to drop down the pecking order next year? How far do we go with the cull? How many players may be upset because their mates have been shown the door. I'm genuinely worried about our club. I'd love to feel that everything will be rosy next year, but I just don't feel it. God I hope I'm wrong, because I will be the first to put my hand up & say so. Time will tell I guess.
 

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Many of us can see that Bucks has never had the full list of Premiership players on the park. Hawthorn slid for a couple of years as they dealt with injuries and re-jigged the list after 2008. 5 years down the track and how many of that side played in the 2013 flag?
If Heater and Daisy are out because of Buckley, then you have to attribute Swan's year to Buckley's coaching as well. How far away from Ablett was he?
I don't think those who are blaming Buckley's changes for blokes leaving would ever give him credit for Swan's form this year.

Fair call - All good points.
 

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I would say that at this stage Bucks has the clear support of Eddie and the board to make the changes that he feels are necessary. I also think that our run of injuries has bought him some extra time along with the introduction of many new and promising players. I think that we supporters have a right to question what is happening at the club, particularly in light of the likelihood of Shaw and Thomas leaving. Next season will be a big one for Bucks. We still have the core of a very good side and expectations will be high. Another poor year and the drums will start beating. Personally I still think he is taking us in the right direction however I reserve the right to change my mind.
Again - Good call. Hope you are right.
 

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Exactly. Let's change Buckleys name to Matthew Knights. If knights had come in and ruined our premiership team by sacking Didak Dawes Shaw and getting the Daisy deal done what would be the thoughts of the passionate Collingwood fans? Is it because it's Buckley that it's ok and we just sit by and watch?
Shaw will be great value at another club they will be lucky to have him.
Daisy, who knows..
For me and this is when the alarms bells went off is when Buckley was told to **** off by Harry. We know of Harry's battle etc but for me it didn't sit comfortably.
I think you make some valid points TG. What is the alternative though? I think we have to ride this out and hope for the best, at least for another season.
 
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Exactly. Let's change Buckleys name to Matthew Knights. If knights had come in and ruined our premiership team by sacking Didak Dawes Shaw and getting the Daisy deal done what would be the thoughts of the passionate Collingwood fans? Is it because it's Buckley that it's ok and we just sit by and watch?
Shaw will be great value at another club they will be lucky to have him.
Daisy, who knows..
For me and this is when the alarms bells went off is when Buckley was told to **** off by Harry. We know of Harry's battle etc but for me it didn't sit comfortably.
He told a few more people to **** off as well.
 
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Exactly. Let's change Buckleys name to Matthew Knights. If knights had come in and ruined our premiership team by sacking Didak Dawes Shaw and getting the Daisy deal done what would be the thoughts of the passionate Collingwood fans? Is it because it's Buckley that it's ok and we just sit by and watch?
The premiership team was ruined when that old moron started dividing the club and letting players snort shit up their nose and get away with murder you clueless negative clown

Dawes.. please :rolleyes:
Didak.. done
Jolly.. dusted
Shaw.. flake
Daisy.. ankle
 

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Harry should have been told to **** off a few years ago.

He is lucky he wasn't instantly dismissed. Nowhere else would you get away with telling your boss to **** off.

Bucks must have a lot of patience.
I think Bucks showed what a quality leader he is.
 

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Don't judge me as a Mick Malthouse fan. I'm anything but.
I'm not blaming Buckley as you put it either.
The players may have acted like assholes, I don't know I'm not in the inner sanctum.
Just asking why we are showing our players the door & trust completely that Bucks is right doing this.
I'm not making a statement because I don't know. I genuinely wanted to know why most pie fans feel this way?
What if we continue to drop down the pecking order next year? How far do we go with the cull? How many players may be upset because their mates have been shown the door. I'm genuinely worried about our club. I'd love to feel that everything will be rosy next year, but I just don't feel it. God I hope I'm wrong, because I will be the first to put my hand up & say so. Time will tell I guess.

Just my two cents on this. The playing group got away with murder under MM and that inherent belief that if you were good enough you could get away with it just doesn't wash with the scrutiny players are under these days.

In 2013 the only off field incident Collingwood had was with Williams. When was the last time our club went incident free over the course of a season?? Buckley is moulding our culture to a more professional and sustainable line of thinking.

That is the reason why I am fully supportive of him until he proves he can or can't coach it has nothing to do with who he is.

FWIW the only player loss that has the potential to bite us on the bum is Shaw because of all the players moved on over the past 2 seasons he's the only one to have provided a genuine impact on field and even that was down on what he's capable of.
 

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Mate I think Harry is a bit of a tool and pseudo intellectual however if he is battling his own demons then he deserves some slack. As long as he doesn't undermine Buckley and apologised to the team for an outburst he deserves support.

You will always have heated arguments in a football club however when things cool down they still get along then you move on. Harry took it further than he should have but I don't want him sacked for an emotional outburst or even cry of help.

If we dump Harry for that then we surely do have a culture problem
 

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Everybody is saying THATSGOLD is wrong on this. How do we know he is?
How will we feel next year if Heater & Daisy are tearing it up @ their new clubs?
How will we feel if we still have a game plan that sucks?
Is it against the law to question if the coach is the problem just because the coach is Bucks?
Everything cannot be all the players fault surely? Could a different coach have reeled them in & got them on side?
These questions have to also be asked. Not just use the mantra that if we are playing crap that it must be all the players fault.
If we had Jo Shmo as coach of our club right now & we had gone from Grand Finalists to eighth in 2 years & then he started dismantling what was a perfectly good list that reigned supreme in 2010, then most people on here would be tearing the walls of the Westpac centre down & calling for his head.
Why is everybody so sure Buckley's way is the right way? What has he done as a coach that fills everyone so full of confidence to say what we are doing is the right thing, ridding ourselves of players who have been icons at Collingwood? I'm not trying to start world war 3 here. I'm genuinely interested to know that due to poor performances, why has the coach & his staff not been put under the same scrutiny as the players?
Time to embrace free agency.
It has little to do with the coach. It's about the money.
I think the coach, of any side, is put under far more scrutiny than any player.
In any case to expect every one of 40 players to literally worship the ground the coach walks on is a bit far fetched.
Firstly it ignores the very real fact most AFL standard footballers have naturally large egos and respect is earned not handed out like Powerade.
No matter how good Buck may or not be he has to earn the respect of the players and that it will take time to earn every players respect if in fact he ever does.
Malthouse is no different and spent many years building his relationships with the players.

I assume from the rest of your post you don't think Krak, Johnson, Did's, Jolly, Taz etc. etc.should have been let go?

Buckley has no control over time nor does MM.
Watch him let Judd go in the next season or two.
 

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I think you make some valid points TG. What is the alternative though? I think we have to ride this out and hope for the best, at least for another season.
For me the best thing I think Buckley can do for the Collingwood football club now is to go for the best youth around. He should have his chance to see if he can get us in to top 4 contention by letting the young guys grow up together and build a strong list once again but I think we would be better getting an experienced coach once we are in a window again.
The one thing I don't want to see is us going for older players as a short term solution to keep us in the 8.
 

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What if blah, blah, blah. It's irresolvable guys, so how about people just f*cking get over it.

How long do people intend on pondering parallel universes for?
Reminds me of that movie Sliding Doors. What a pile of festering turds that was.
 

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Mate I think Harry is a bit of a tool and pseudo intellectual however if he is battling his own demons then he deserves some slack. As long as he doesn't undermine Buckley and apologised to the team for an outburst he deserves support.

You will always have heated arguments in a football club however when things cool down they still get along then you move on. Harry took it further than he should have but I don't want him sacked for an emotional outburst or even cry of help.

If we dump Harry for that then we surely do have a culture problem
Pfft that's the last reason we would ever need to dump him.

I think him being a poor footballer is more than enough reason to dump his ass.
 

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For me the best thing I think Buckley can do for the Collingwood football club now is to go for the best youth around. He should have his chance to see if he can get us in to top 4 contention by letting the young guys grow up together and build a strong list once again but I think we would be better getting an experienced coach once we are in a window again.
The one thing I don't want to see is us going for older players as a short term solution to keep us in the 8.
I agree. Our current pick and the Daisy compo should be used in the draft. I can live with getting Adams for Shaw, even though I would rather he did not go.
 

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We will take some short term pain for long term gain.

Buckley believes in a particular approach to football that he thinks will bring sustained success.
Who are we to criticise. He's in the coal face, he sees and hears what they get up to.

We get maybe 5% filter through to us. I'm sure alot worse has gone on.

If we want a real "dynasty", i believe Buckley is going about it the right way.
Just need to have a little faith in his vision.

In saying that, culture and belief is completely seperate to Game plan.

That's my biggest concern going forward, we don't seem to have a specific game plan that suits our style and Skill set.
 

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For me the best thing I think Buckley can do for the Collingwood football club now is to go for the best youth around. He should have his chance to see if he can get us in to top 4 contention by letting the young guys grow up together and build a strong list once again but I think we would be better getting an experienced coach once we are in a window again.
The one thing I don't want to see is us going for older players as a short term solution to keep us in the 8.
If we can get older players cheap then I'm ok with it but I don't want a crazy Vossy style trade period. Even if they are short term solutions we can get some experience and stay competitive whilst the kids mature. I think the strongest clubs can have mini rebuilds without dropping to the bottom of the table
 

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Pfft that's the last reason we would ever need to dump him.

I think him being a poor footballer is more than enough reason to dump his ass.
I really am hoping that is a joke.

He has just finished one of his best seasons being reinvented on the wing. His attack and run is exactly what we need next season.
 
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What if blah, blah, blah. It's irresolvable guys, so how about people just f*cking get over it.

How long do people intend on pondering parallel universes for?
I'll try to answer the question
For as long as people
1) continue to worship premiership players who automatically become faultless.
2) refer to players as icons of the club and should never be moved on under any circumstances
3) think that good players cannot be negative influences
4) think that playing for the coach is the major reason for winning flags
5) follow the BS line that injuries are no excuse
6) forget that in his last game, MM was out coached by a rookie.
Need I say any more?
 
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